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People have seen Melissa McCarthy's turn on Saturday Night Live, yes? A bravura performance in the role of the miserable Sean Spicer, press secretary to Li'l Donny. Spicer was so foolish as to comment, complaining that the skit was 'mean.' (emoticon: small violin playing) This man should not be in public relations; everybody knows that you DO NOT comment on this kind of thing except with a laugh.

Now, in further luscious developments, his boss weighs in. What bothers the PGinChief is not the LOL skewering. It is that his press secretary was played by a female.

This has encouraged Lyin' Don's perennial nemesis Rosie O'Donnell to weigh in with an offer to play consigliere Steve Bannon. Up until this point the neo-Nazi Mr. Bannon has been played on SNL by a man in a hooded Death suit, which is of course funny but limited, comedically speaking. I consider that Rosie was born to play this role, as Tina Fey was ordained by Heaven to be Sarah Palin, and I hope that the SNL people move on it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
People have seen Melissa McCarthy's turn on Saturday Night Live, yes? A bravura performance in the role of the miserable Sean Spicer, press secretary to Li'l Donny. Spicer was so foolish as to comment, complaining that the skit was 'mean.'

Actually not what happened. He commented that McCarthy's performance was funny, but needed a little work. The 'mean' was a reference to Baldwin's current portrayals of Trump. Even then, he said Baldwin had been funny, but had now descended to mean.

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quote:
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It's a government project, so it will be thrown together at the last minute after everyone else has done theirs. Boris Johnson has pencilled in the date for shooting it. They're still arguing over which department should be responsible for writing the script - at the moment it's a three-way fight between the FO, the Department for Brexit and the Department for International Trade, but insiders have not yet ruled out the possibility of the creation of a Ministry for Truth.

Amusing, however none of them are government sponsored. They are all late-night shows doing parody.

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Shhhh. Don't let on. We're all waiting for Mrs May to commission one without realising that.

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For the UK, I rather favour the Circumlocution Office, headed by Lord Decimus Tite Barnacle, as depicted by the prescient Mr. Dickens in Little Dorrit.

https://www.panarchy.org/dickens/circumlocution.html

It is, of course, alive and well, if disguised under other nomenclature...

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Amusing, however none of them are government sponsored. They are all late-night shows doing parody.
Yes, I knew that. My point being that *our* government is the only one that actually might do something like that for real. You might have got a hint from the comment about the Ministry of Truth...
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As a Canadian, I would personally like to thank President Trump for considering Sarah Palin as Ambassador to Canada. Response has be underwhelming "As enduring as a empty tin can in a landfill" is one of the more favourable comments.

I hope the Governor General (a Harperite appointee) refuses to accept her credentials.

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Pete--

I'm surprised he's not sending her to Russia. After all, she used to be able to see it from her old house.

What might happen if Canada refused her credentials? How often is that done?

Thx.

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Pete--

I'm surprised he's not sending her to Russia. After all, she used to be able to see it from her old house.

What might happen if Canada refused her credentials? How often is that done?

Thx.

I believe it can be done, but it rarely happens. The Gee acts on the advice of the Government and I doubt that JT's government want to upset US before the NAFTA talks. Unless the government grew a set of moral standards. And even in 2016, that is highly unlikely.
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Now this is satire I can get behind!

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Wonderful - and so true.....

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You have to think of this as Canada taking one for its southern neighbor. We've been trying to get rid of her for years.

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
You have to think of this as Canada taking one for its southern neighbor. We've been trying to get rid of her for years.

But couldn't we send her to a country we don't particularly like?

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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trump lies again, says media covers up terrorist attacks. The headline has it as speculation, but the guy knows it isn't true. Pathological. There's usually a wall somewhere. Where people get lined up.

Re the eventual trump Musical (you know there's going to be one. It'll be Great!): I wonder what the trump - Palin song and dance number will be like. Maybe a heavy metal version of Tea for Two?
Kinds the opposite of everything good about it. Like this: How to make a heavy metal cup of tea

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quote:
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You have to think of this as Canada taking one for its southern neighbor. We've been trying to get rid of her for years.

But couldn't we send her to a country we don't particularly like?
Actually Canada is the best choice. She can do no harm there, right? They're too nice to be provoked into invasion, and they have no nukes. Alas that she cannot take Betsy DeVos with her.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
trump lies again, says media covers up terrorist attacks.

And, as has been reported repeatedly over the last few days the list of terrorist attacks that have been under reported is, ermm, interesting. Including crimes that were not terrorist related - producing the perfectly reasonable anger of the mother of a murdered daughter saying that the murder of her daughter shouldn't be used for political capital in another country. Including events like the Paris, Brussels and Nice attacks which literally filled newspapers and TV news for weeks.

But, someone who positively recalls seeing thousands of Muslims celebrating the 9/11 attacks (and, is the only person who saw that) might easily miss hours of TV news and column-miles of newsprint following the murder of 130 people in Paris. Personally, I think it shows someone living in their own little universe oblivious to the events going on around them.

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Polonium is a heavy metal, isn't it?

Also the American guy who had his throat cut at at Leytonstone has objected to being on the list - he says the police reckon it was not terrorism as the attacker had been receiving treatment for a mental condition shortly before.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Can we combine this thread with the circimcism thread? Somehow we need to get trump off of Fox*, or that Fox off trumpecker's head.


Fox = a sorry excuse for an Amertrumpski TVnews channel

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Jane--

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lilbuddha:
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Amusing, however none of them are government sponsored. They are all late-night shows doing parody.
Yes, I knew that. My point being that *our* government is the only one that actually might do something like that for real. You might have got a hint from the comment about the Ministry of Truth...
Will it have a fish-slapping dance? Please please please please?

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The Ministry of Truth works on the motto "Ignorance is Strength". Don't confuse it with the Ministry of Silly Walks - that's what they want you to do, along with believing 2+2=5.

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The great political cartoonist Oliphant has been retired for some years now, but current events have drawn him back to his pen. So there's a silver lining to the heavy clouds around us.

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[Eek!]

Scary stuff - because believable...

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The great political cartoonist Oliphant has been retired for some years now, but current events have drawn him back to his pen. So there's a silver lining to the heavy clouds around us.

I found the previous page more illuminating - some of the less-well-publicised ones are actually quite far-reaching.

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Brenda Clough
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A general summary of the catastrphes of the last few days. I think this conclusively proves that Li'l Donny is hand in hand with Putin. Otherwise the Russians would, like Kim Jong Un, already have moved to take advantage of our disarray.

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America and 45 have shown some sense at last: Sarah Palin will not be Ambassador to Canada.

That being said, I hope 45 will be "In like Flynn"

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For St. Valentine's Day one of your classic romantic quizzes: Which White House staffer is your Muse? Deliciously mean.

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Re Brenda Clough's "catastrophes" link.

The levels of incompetence are breathtaking. But I suppose that's good on one level. It's getting in the way of at least some of the bad things the administration wants to do because it thinks they are good. It would be quite good if they stayed incompetent, rather than learned how to be more effective.

The world is a complicated place. And the most powerful country in the world is being led by a man impatient with detail and suffering from some kind of chronic attention deficit disorder. That would be OK if his staff knew how to control his dangerous excesses. But clearly they don't.

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Perhaps the incompetance is deliberate - a careful strategy to be seen doing what Trump dictates, but to make sure none of the stupid ideas actually manage to happen.

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You are not the first to think this. This should be a free click. The PGinC administration as the plot of Moby Dick. The happier scenario is one in which the captain "periodically shows up on deck to shake his fist at the moon and order a summary flogging, but for the most part he stays in his cabin emitting strange barks while competent mates and petty officers sail the NSC."

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An opinion piece with a little hope attached.

By some oddball called Simon Jenkins [Razz]

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An opinion piece with a little hope attached.

By some oddball called Simon Jenkins [Razz]

But not our Simon Jenkins.

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Originally posted by Boogie:
An opinion piece with a little hope attached.

By some oddball called Simon Jenkins [Razz]

But not our Simon Jenkins.
Ahhh - I was confused 🤔🤔

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Over at Huffington Post, I saw an article listing four possible paths to impeachment. Some people think the Republican party will never be willing to impeach him, but my own opinion is that if they can't get him to go along with their platform, they will be happy to have Pence in his place. While I really don't want Pence in the White House, the nation might be safer in some ways with Pence than with Trump.
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I have been following the Trump Press Conference on twitter, and the general opinion is he has done himself no favours.

Anyone watch it? And thoughts? I really couldn't face it.

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It will take more than that. It is not necessarily bad from their POV that legislation cannot move. For instance in the case of health care reform they have literally promised what cannot be done. Or consider that wall between Mexico and the US. To have a convenient PG to blame when nothing happens is all to the good.

What it will take to get the GOP Congress to move is something so egregious that even their constituents call for something to be done. Something even more inefficient, even more treasonous, something that cannot be denied. We haven't got there yet. Next week, maybe next month.

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I have been following the Trump Press Conference on twitter, and the general opinion is he has done himself no favours.

Anyone watch it? And thoughts? I really couldn't face it.

He was incoherent. It was a meltdown, IMO.

Afterwards, George Stephanopoulos said something to the effect of "You have just gotten a glimpse inside the mind of Donald Trump." Other commentators said it was the most bizarre press conference they'd ever seen.

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I have been following the Trump Press Conference on twitter, and the general opinion is he has done himself no favours.

Anyone watch it? And thoughts? I really couldn't face it.

Full transcript here.

Go and look on Free Republic if you want to find a bunch of people praying for him and saying how brilliant it was. He is still playing to his constituency.

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Reaction to the Press conference. There is a madman in the White House.

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Uh, there was doubt?

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I'm serious. I mean he is a 25th Amendment nutcase. Completely potty.

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It's still not sufficient for the GOP to initiate proceedings to pry him out. We need a real calamity first. I only pray it's not a radioactive mushroom cloud.

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Barnabas--

I'm serious, too. Several Shipmates figured out that, or something similar, last fall. We were trying to understand the man, and have some compassion for someone so obviously and deeply impaired. We've kept saying it, on and off.

We've generally been told "don't judge him; you're being partisan; you're spoilsports; he's a great businessman, so obviously his brain is working; he can't possibly be that bad; you're sore losers; he won the election, so don't try to stop him from being inaugurated; if he does something impeachable, get rid of him then; oh, it's all just political rhetoric, he doesn't mean it and he'll never do it; he's just playing to his base".

And what's especially made me do a slow burn for months is that those dismissive comments came mostly from non-American Shipmates who fancied themselves experts on America, Americans, American society, American law, and American politics.

I've raised this, over and over. Mostly didn't do any good. People were dismissive and defensive.

In Purg, it's gotten to the point where it seems non-American Shipmates mostly just want to talk to each other.

Barnabas, this isn't just about you. This post is for all the people mentioned.

And if American Shipmates had acted the same way about someone else's country, we would've had our heads handed to us in a pond war to end all pond wars.

So...re a sudden realization that "there's a madman in the White House"...

!Duh!

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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:

We've generally been told "don't judge him; you're being partisan; you're spoilsports; he's a great businessman, so obviously his brain is working; he can't possibly be that bad; you're sore losers; he won the election, so don't try to stop him from being inaugurated; if he does something impeachable, get rid of him then; oh, it's all just political rhetoric, he doesn't mean it and he'll never do it; he's just playing to his base".

Your perception of this is different than mine. Outside of the suspect usuals, I didn't perceive things occurring the same way as you do. I am not saying you are wrong, just that I don't see it the same.

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In Purg, it's gotten to the point where it seems non-American Shipmates mostly just want to talk to each other.

I do not see this at all.


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And if American Shipmates had acted the same way about someone else's country, we would've had our heads handed to us in a pond war to end all pond wars.

I don't think this is completely accurate.
Trump isn't your problem, he is all of ours. Brexit will affect America as well as Europe. Politics from any major world player affects the rest and is subject to discussion. Yes, there are pond issues sometimes, but that gets quashed fairly quickly, IMO.


Not saying I am correct and you are not, but that I see it differently.

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lilBuddha--

Thanks for the careful way you worded that. [Smile] Not going to respond at this point. I need to kick back and relax.

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The question was specifically about the news conference.

Here is a UK media view.

This persuasive new evidence of insanity in the US President is not just a US problem. Whether or not it is a confirmation of earlier judgment s because of his behaviour as a candidate.

I agree with the comments of the US Senator as reported in that article. At the very least, the man is in urgent need of a therapist.

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He said himself that he enjoyed it.

I think he craves attention - and the more he gets the more his craving grows.

What he says to get that attention is entirely secondary, he gives it little thought (and cares even less)

All we can think now is 'how much longer can this charade go on'??

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I don’t think he’s clinically insane. That’s offensive to the genuinely mentally ill.

I do think he’s utterly incompetent, deluded and out of his depth. And above all, that press conference leaves no doubt in my mind that he was in cahoots with the Russians before the election. I am mainly wondering how long it will take for him to get found out.

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lilbuddha:
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Trump isn't your problem, he is all of ours. Brexit will affect America as well as Europe. Politics from any major world player affects the rest and is subject to discussion.
I doubt the UK will be a major world player for much longer, the way we're going. I actually think the Conservatives are more dangerous (to the country they're governing) than Trump. The Trumpton crew are wasting a lot of time and energy on fighting scandals and don't seem to have many competent people. Mayhem & Co. have a plan (a stupid plan, but it's a plan) and are steamrollering their way over the opposition, ably assisted by the gutter press.

I understand there is some debate over whether he's genuinely mentally ill or just an arsehole: see here , the relevant quote being "Trump causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded... for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy."

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I agree Jane R about what is happening in the UK and am rather in despair as to how to stop it (my MP appears to have gone AWOL on the topic). Back to Trump, I watched the (edited) news conference on the BBC Ten O'Clock news. The theme , well at least the theme the BBC were going with, was the 'trust me, everything you hear is fake news' one. If I was a Trump supporter I guess I'd buy into that. What is it going to take for his fan base to realise that not every newspaper and TV company in the Country is in a conspiracy against him. Talking of which, are there any mainstream papers still giving him the benefit of the doubt? If it was the UK I could imagine The Mail, Express and Sun would have supported him at first, but I think even they might have jumped ship by now.

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I have the same problem with Trump as I do with BoJo and Nigel Farrago - he is so obviously untrustworthy I can't believe anyone falls for it. But people obviously do.
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