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Gee D
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What about the sexual intimacy of walking hand in hand along the beach late on a summer afternoon? Why can't 2 men engage in that?

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Steve Langton
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quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Langton, you are a complete troll who loves the sound of his own voice so much that you dredge up a quiescent thread to reiterate your same old arguments.

[Snore]

Actually I didn't 'dredge up the quiescent thread' on my own initiative. This is, as you can see from my post, a response to Eutychus. I also thought initially that since the thread had effectively died, it would be more appropriate to answer him via PM - he rejected that and insisted I should answer in the thread where he asked the question. I've done as he asked and my apologies for annoyance that has caused other Shipmates....
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Steve Langton
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
Anal sex - look, whatever language you use about it, polite, 'playground', or fudge/obscure, excrement is simply not nice stuff and sexuality - in God's world anyway - deserves more respect and honour than that. I also note that it is an aspect where a lot of gay people - even activists like Stephen Fry - seem to have reservations, to put it mildly....

Folks this is SHOW-STOPPING here. Steve Langton has admitted here, for the first time ever in his entire life, that anal sex and male homosexuality are not coterminous! And that there are gay males who don't engage in anal sex!

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. A lot of what he has said over the past several years about homosexuality will have to be reinterpreted in the light of this striking revelation.

Watch this space for further developments!

MT, it's not a 'striking revelation'; you just haven't been reading my posts closely enough but I suppose assuming I'm the standard so-called 'homophobe'. I will of course be delighted if you reinterpret my previous posts in the light of your realisation that I wasn't doing what you assumed I was doing - though I hope this time you actually get it right.....

It is a key part of my actual position to want to give the fullest possible weight - consistent with other biblical teaching - to texts like David's words in his lament on his friend Jonathan, that "Your love for me was greater than the love of women". And I haven't kept quiet about that side of my views....

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Steve Langton
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quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
What about the sexual intimacy of walking hand in hand along the beach late on a summer afternoon? Why can't 2 men engage in that?

Or indeed arm in arm embracing? AIUI that would have been considered quite normal in the UK till the late Victorian era and particularly the disruption of attitudes caused by the Wilde scandal after which public physical expressions of male affection seem to have been massively restrained. I might regard your use of the word 'sexual' as redundant....
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Steve Langton
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Eutychus, I will get back on your points - for now I've got other things to do for quite a while....
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Gee D
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
What about the sexual intimacy of walking hand in hand along the beach late on a summer afternoon? Why can't 2 men engage in that?

Or indeed arm in arm embracing? AIUI that would have been considered quite normal in the UK till the late Victorian era and particularly the disruption of attitudes caused by the Wilde scandal after which public physical expressions of male affection seem to have been massively restrained. I might regard your use of the word 'sexual' as redundant....
Perhaps the intimacy flows from the love that they have one for the other, just as Madame and I walk like that.

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Robert Armin

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
Anal sex - look, whatever language you use about it, polite, 'playground', or fudge/obscure, excrement is simply not nice stuff and sexuality - in God's world anyway - deserves more respect and honour than that. I also note that it is an aspect where a lot of gay people - even activists like Stephen Fry - seem to have reservations, to put it mildly....

I do hope someone has already pointed out that far more straight people practise anal intercourse than gay. Many gay men don't find it a turn on (including Fry, which is different from having "reservations"), and I don't imagine many lesbians indulge. If I were diligent I'd read back through this thread to check, but life is too short.

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mousethief

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
MT, it's not a 'striking revelation'; you just haven't been reading my posts closely enough but I suppose assuming I'm the standard so-called 'homophobe'. I will of course be delighted if you reinterpret my previous posts in the light of your realisation that I wasn't doing what you assumed I was doing - though I hope this time you actually get it right.....

Bullshit. You have been equating male homosexuality with anal sex all throughout this argument, and people have been calling you on it all throughout this argument. At least own your own actions.

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Langton:
Eutychus, I will get back on your points - for now I've got other things to do for quite a while....

Again? This is basically the excuse you offered two months ago.

Your strategy seems to be:

1) claim you can't find the link 2) prevaricate 3) hide until you think everyone's forgotten 4) make lengthy posts that don't answer the question 5) go to 1.

I think you can't get back to me, not because you're overwhelmingly busy, but because you don't have an answer.

You can't demonstrate from the Bible that only penis-in-vagina sex is acceptable, you won't defend your outrageous claim that marriage "in God's terms" is only for "those who can naturally do sexual intercourse", and you utterly fail to distinguish between your own personal revulsions and what the Bible actually says.

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Pigwidgeon

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Originally posted by Eutychus:
Your strategy seems to be:

1) claim you can't find the link 2) prevaricate 3) hide until you think everyone's forgotten 4) make lengthy posts that don't answer the question 5) go to 1.

I know we're not supposed to "out" Shipmates, but I suspect that Steve Langton might be... Donald Trump.

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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I know we're not supposed to "out" Shipmates, but I suspect that Steve Langton might be... Donald Trump.

That's a little bit unfair. I don't think SL really shows many of the most unpleasant features of the POTUS.

He (SL) just can't appreciate nuance and can't accept complexity. He needs things to be orderly and placed into simple categories of "right behaviour" and "wrong behaviour" because anything else is disruptive.

Bless.

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I will say this in defence of SL.
The basic underlayment of his arguments is not unique to him, but used by many Christians. Including, not infrequently, on this site.
Argument from Silence
  • It isn't listed as OK in the bible, you cannot do it.
  • It isn't listed as bad in the bible, you can do it.
Interpretive v. Literal
  • The bible says it is a no, no; you cannot do it because there is no argument/interpretation with what the bible says.
  • The bible says it is a no, no; but you can do it, because interpretation/equivocation.

He is a prime example of why those time-honoured methods are rubbish.

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Palimpsest
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Note that Steve characterizes Anal Sex as disgusting. Apparently penis in vagina sex is a delightful expression of God's will. and yet, I rarely see an image of it in a church or scripture to exalt it in the way Steve does.

As for his conceit that he's a very special kind of homophobe if only you read his endless nonsensical spew; his homophobia isn't particularly different then the garden variety, only more verbose. It's amusing to note he doesn't want to be associated with the ordinary kind any more.

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