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Schroedinger's cat

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This is not about discussing the pros and cons of Brexit. But someone I follow on Twitter who is German by origin posted that she feels that she isn't wanted. I posted an apology to her for my fellow countryfolk.

The abuse that both she and I have received - by the people who WON THE FUCKING VOTE, and are getting everything they could have asked for in their wettest of wet dreams - are horrible, angry, dismissive, abusive (although she might not be RTing the worst.

Just for clarity, I was quite forceful, because I personally do think that "vile" describes those who no longer want a university lecturer who has been here for 11 years to stay. Which seems to include most of parliament (at least Tory and Labour). Sorry, this xenophobic racism is vile.

If that is the type of people in whose hands our country now is, we have nothing left. We are utterly fucked. There is nothing left worth fighting for.

Really. I am beyond despair. There are those - one or two - I have engaged with who disagree, and want to be out of the EU. It isn't just because they disagree. It is because they are indicating just how vile they are.

So really, if you are such a fucking sore winner, kindly stick your head in the sea for an hour, you pathetic, whinging shits.

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Alan Cresswell

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I couldn't agree more. The anti-immigrant part of the support for Brexit seems to have grown in importance. It's no longer about better trade, sovereignty, reducing bureaucracy (if it ever really was), it's just about getting the foreigners out. There isn't even any economic sense to it (immigrants bring jobs and tax revenue to the UK far in excess of the costs to public services), nor any other logical basis. It's just racism, pure and simple.

Bloody Brexiters.

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I honestly believe what I posted on twitter earlier - every racist in Britain will think Parliament gave them a green light tonight. I can't believe what we've unleashed in this country.

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I never thought I would see Kristallnacht in Britain...

Libdem lords are saying they will try to push back....

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Schroedinger's cat

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Anybody who tries to resist is told they are flouting "the will of the people" - the UberWill, if you want.

Except that it isn't and never has been. The reason they won't hold a second referendum on the actual plan is they know they would be defeated. The UberWill has spoken, and that is it.

As I posted at length on twitter earlier, this will kill people. This will break families and individuals. The events of this period will resonate - badly - for decades in our life.

That is intensely depressing. I don't want to live in interesting times.

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There's an interesting snippet I found on Twitter from an article (I think from the Times) about why the winners (Leavers and Trumpers) are still angry.

Can't see many of them taking a cold, hard look in the mirror though...

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At least now all the lies about Brexit are being stripped away. It was never about "sovereignty", it was never about more money for the NHS. It was always, always about xenophobia, and nothing good will come of it.

The process of having your illusions destroyed is never easy. People need support to get through it; the first stage may well be just venting.

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Gee D
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Except for the link between "regaining sovereignty" and xenophobia.

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Yes, "sovereignty" was really just another mask for xenophobia. It's hard to see just what sovereignty might mean in a globalised world - freedom from armed takeover by another state, to be sure, but we haven't been in danger of that for decades now. To the Brexiters it means "no foreigners allowed".
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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
I honestly believe what I posted on twitter earlier - every racist in Britain will think Parliament gave them a green light tonight. I can't believe what we've unleashed in this country.

Yes.

I was in school on Tuesday and a teaching assistant was talking in a racist way. 'Those Asian children' were getting on her nerves.

I hear racist talk I haven't heard for twenty years [Tear]

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Anglican't
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
This is not about discussing the pros and cons of Brexit. But someone I follow on Twitter who is German by origin posted that she feels that she isn't wanted.

I haven't seen this exchange, obviously, but generally speaking it seems to me that anti-German sentiment in this country is the lowest it has ever been in my lifetime. The whole 'two world wars and one world cup' mentality appears to be, finally, subsiding.
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Alan Cresswell

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I think specific anti-German sentiment is declining. Just don't mention the war. I did it once, but I think I got away with it.

However, it's being replaced by a more general anti-anyone-not-British sentiment. Too many people in the UK seem to hate the Germans, but not specifically because they feel the same way about the French, the Poles, and everyone else. If you find yourself unwelcome because you aren't British, it's not much different from finding yourself unwelcome because you're German.

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Jane R
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Schroedinger's Cat:
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As I posted at length on twitter earlier, this will kill people.
It already has...

[Mad] [Waterworks]

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betjemaniac
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quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
Schroedinger's Cat:
quote:
As I posted at length on twitter earlier, this will kill people.
It already has...

[Mad] [Waterworks]

Well quite - although in fairness hatred seems to be an equal opportunities pastime

these days...

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Alan Cresswell

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Too much drink, an argument (happens to be about the referendum result) and a few too many punches are thrown and angry words spoken. It's a far too common occurance. But, it doesn't seem to balance a group of youths deliberately targetting someone because of their ethnic background and killing him. That's before you factor in that hate-crimes have increased markedly since Cameron called this stupid referendum, whereas that's one instance of violence by Remain voters - unless, of course, you can point to a significant number of other instances of violence associated with Remain voters, especially instances of premeditation leading to murder rather than drunken brawls.

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Schroedinger's cat

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I don't think the fact that she was German specifically was an issue, just that she wasn't British. Whatever perverse thing that means.

I suspect the Brexit supporters are the sort of people who just like to complain loudly and at length about everything. For years, they have been able to complain that the reason they are useless fucks is because of the EU. Now the reason is because other people exist.

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Anglican't
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I suspect the Brexit supporters are the sort of people who just like to complain loudly and at length about everything.

Given the number of posts and threads now complaining about this subject, I can't help but feel that there's a degree of psychological projection going on here.
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Doc Tor
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quote:
Originally posted by betjemaniac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
Schroedinger's Cat:
quote:
As I posted at length on twitter earlier, this will kill people.
It already has...

[Mad] [Waterworks]

Well quite - although in fairness hatred seems to be an equal opportunities pastime

these days...

Whataboutery. False equivalence.

The hate is coming overwhelmingly from one side - the side that narrowly won. Pointing that out is a copper-bottomed fact.

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I suspect the Brexit supporters are the sort of people who just like to complain loudly and at length about everything.

Given the number of posts and threads now complaining about this subject, I can't help but feel that there's a degree of psychological projection going on here.
I think Cat has a point; the other day a Daily Heil column basically said "Remoaners should stop name-calling" - with no obvious recognition of the irony.

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