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Huia
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Tangent/ This is not a topic for Hell, because I am not trying to start a trans-Tasman war, but I am really intrigued by the social and political differences between Australia and New Zealand. I think I grew up being more aware of the similarities. I don't know enough to start a discussion in Purg, but just every so often I stumble up against something and am aware of the different approaches.
I'm not even sure where/how I would start increasing my knowledge.
Huia - Ignorance is not bliss.
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Garden Hermit
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Many years ago my job was to work amongst the Prostitutes of Balsall Heath in Birmingham. For a young man of 23 this was actually very frightening. Those Middle Aged women knew all there was to know about Male Sexuality. As one said to me 'I can seduce any man and I know exactly what to say and do to you'. As I didn't want to lose my job and in any way be compromised, I managed to resist any offer. However she said 'Men are not in charge of their sexuality. They can't seduce women. Any woman worth her salt can get the man they want to perform properly'. I asked her about 'Homosexuals'. 'No problem' she said. You are all the same. You all have a self-destruct button that's needs satisfying and you will do and pay anything to get it.
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
Many years ago my job was to work amongst the Prostitutes of Balsall Heath in Birmingham. For a young man of 23 this was actually very frightening. Those Middle Aged women knew all there was to know about Male Sexuality. As one said to me 'I can seduce any man and I know exactly what to say and do to you'. As I didn't want to lose my job and in any way be compromised, I managed to resist any offer. However she said 'Men are not in charge of their sexuality. They can't seduce women. Any woman worth her salt can get the man they want to perform properly'. I asked her about 'Homosexuals'. 'No problem' she said. You are all the same. You all have a self-destruct button that's needs satisfying and you will do and pay anything to get it.
Good grief, do you believe that?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
I asked her about 'Homosexuals'. 'No problem' she said. You are all the same. You all have a self-destruct button that's needs satisfying and you will do and pay anything to get it.
Many years ago outside a train station in London, a woman asked me the time for the purpose of getting me to lean in close to her. She then asked me if I was interested in going somewhere to have sex. This homosexual said no and walked away, button unpressed.
You live your anecdote, and I'll live mine.
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orfeo
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Perhaps 1 day soon......
I ain't holding my breath. The government has on this and many other topics locked itself into a fixed position in a way that is not very compatible with the way Parliamentary democracy actually works (i.e. "winning" an election does not give you control of the Parliament), and generally seems unable to untangle itself from the kinds of promises it made.
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Gee D
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Soon is a relative rather than an exact term, but don't hold your breath at all.
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Soror Magna
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
... Those Middle Aged women knew all there was to know about Male Sexuality. ...
Well, not really. They do know a lot about the sexuality of a subset of men who purchase sexual services from middle-aged prostitutes, however.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
... Those Middle Aged women knew all there was to know about Male Sexuality. ...
Well, not really. They do know a lot about the sexuality of a subset of men who purchase sexual services from middle-aged prostitutes, however.
Silly Soror, of course they can push the buttons of even gay men as there are no such thing as real homosexuals. Just men who've decided to be perverse and women who have not met the right man. Or who have succumb to the wiles of the sapphic satanic propaganda. AKA feminism.
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Anglican't
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
Many years ago my job was to work amongst the Prostitutes of Balsall Heath in Birmingham...As one said to me 'I can seduce any man and I know exactly what to say and do to you'.
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I managed to resist any offer.
So she couldn't then.
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Anselmina
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
Many years ago my job was to work amongst the Prostitutes of Balsall Heath in Birmingham. For a young man of 23 this was actually very frightening. Those Middle Aged women knew all there was to know about Male Sexuality. As one said to me 'I can seduce any man and I know exactly what to say and do to you'. As I didn't want to lose my job and in any way be compromised, I managed to resist any offer. However she said 'Men are not in charge of their sexuality. They can't seduce women. Any woman worth her salt can get the man they want to perform properly'. I asked her about 'Homosexuals'. 'No problem' she said. You are all the same. You all have a self-destruct button that's needs satisfying and you will do and pay anything to get it.
And now that you're not, presumably, a frightened young man of 23 you know what kind of bullshit this is. Not even all heterosexuals 'are the same' when it comes to sex.
As Soror Magna says, no doubt she knew a lot about the kind of men who pay women to fuck them. However, I'm willing to believe that doesn't include every man who ever lived, including the ones who don't want EVERY and/or ANY woman to fuck them.
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"Men are not in charge of their sexuality." ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Sounds like a wonderful rape defence to me. "I couldn't help it, your Honour! I'm not in charge of my sexuality! She knew how to push my buttons!"
Was this rather pointless anecdote shared with the denizens for a purpose other than giving us a new chew toy?
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Garden Hermit
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Men do pay for Sex. Most of them. The 'old' prostitutes of Balsall Heath and Soho may have long gone working out of Flats in Dingy Areas. They have been replaced by Escort Agencies and Massage Parlours (though these final ones are in decline due to Police and Council Crackdowns). One of my final jobs was in Advertising - our Main Clients (which we didn't like) were Escorts and Parlours accounted for 16% of all our Advertising and most of our Profits. The Sex Trade is now estimated by the Inland Revenue as around 1% of GDP. Strip Shows, Gentleman's Clubs, Pole Dancing, Lap Dancing, X-Rated downloads, Videos and DVDs, Playboy and other Magazines, nude Houseworkers, TV and Hotel 'Red' Pay Channels - the list is enormous.
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lilBuddha
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Porn isn't "paying for sex" in the same way that engaging a prostitute is. Neither are strip clubs, etc. unless they also include acts of prostitution.
So, "most men pay for sex" is an inaccurate statement because your criteria are not how most people think of it. Those activities are exploitive as well, so I'm not defending them, but they are not precisely equivilant.
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Garden Hermit
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If you all want to know about the UKs prostitution trade (and London now apparently has the most Trafficked Eastern European Girls in the whole of the EU.) then I suggest you ask someone who works in the Hotel Trade. At weekends 95% of rooms are let to 'rich old men' with an 'Escort'. I don't approve. But lets not pretend it isn't one of the UK growth industries especially for foreign tourists especially from the Middle East.
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lilBuddha
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I'm not saying there is not a problem with prostitution, exploitation, trafficking and all that. There is and not enough is done to try to fix this.
But grouping wanking to porn in with prostitution and quoting doubtful statistics doesn't help.
"let's not pretend" I can be accused of many things, but overlooking the exploitation of women sure as fuck isn't one of them.
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Garden Hermit
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Maybe we should talk about 'Escort Agencies', - which is basically the way round Prostitution Laws in the UK. Every single one is offering Sex with the Escorts - Here's the preamble to would-be escorts from the most upmarket and legal Escort Agency - 'However, you need to be comfortable with having sex with your clients, because it is unofficially accepted that they are paying you in part for it. If you are not ready to provide sexual services as well, your career as an escort will be very limited because there are clients who just want your company for a brief period of time.'
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Porn isn't "paying for sex" in the same way that engaging a prostitute is.
Besides which, who the hell pays for porn any more?
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Penny S
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"Most"? As in nearly all? As in most of the men in church and at Meeting? As in most of the men I have met at work? As in most of my men friends?
I don't believe you.
Some. Obviously. But most? What is your evidence?
Oh, and "Gentlemen's Clubs". Not, by any reasonable definition, gentlemen.
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Doc Tor
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
At weekends 95% of rooms are let to 'rich old men' with an 'Escort'.
[citation needed]
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Anselmina
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Garden Hermit, stop the distraction tactics. You made a post citing a prostitute's opinion of all men's sexuality, regardless of orientation. And you appear to have uncritically received this opinion as gospel; perhaps rather as one might expect a naive 23 year old to do?
'Oh yeah, this prostitute says that even homosexuals will pay for sex with women, so obviously they're not really homosexuals, are they? It's just a myth!'
However, you are not now a stupid 23 year old with no mind of your own. So for once follow through your original post. Just because an experienced sex worker has some insight - not surprisingly - into the sexual habits of men who want to use prostitutes, doesn't actually make her the Masters and Johnson of Birmingham, and the rest of the world.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
Maybe we should talk about 'Escort Agencies'
Why? So we can ignore your ignorant comment about homosexuals?
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However, you are not now a stupid 23 year old with no mind of your own.
Well, he's not 23...
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Originally posted by Garden Hermit:
Maybe we should talk about 'Escort Agencies', - which is basically the way round Prostitution Laws in the UK. Every single one is offering Sex with the Escorts - Here's the preamble to would-be escorts from the most upmarket and legal Escort Agency - 'However, you need to be comfortable with having sex with your clients, because it is unofficially accepted that they are paying you in part for it. If you are not ready to provide sexual services as well, your career as an escort will be very limited because there are clients who just want your company for a brief period of time.'
You've clearly done a great deal of research on this subject
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Bishops Finger
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Yes, methinks the Gentleman doth protest too much....
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Penny S
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Interesting to read this in conjunction with his opinions about the feminisation of the church and women taking the world over in general.
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Bishops Finger
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O how I wish some strong (but sensible) women* would come along, and take over the world by scolding Trim, Kutin, and Prump into behaving themselves...
*Benedictine nuns, perhaps? Or Michelle Obama, Nicola Sturgeon, and Angela Merkel acting in concert?
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orfeo
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The amount of confirmation bias caused by having visited one seedy hotel in the middle of London is staggering.
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Maybe we should talk about 'Escort Agencies'. . .
Oh, if only this website had a way you could start a "New Topic", perhaps with some kind of button at the bottom of the page! Then you could have the kind of discussion you're really into, about escorts and prostitutes.
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I could take a straw poll from the hosts as to where such a thread might go. I'm guessing Circus...
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I could take a straw poll from the hosts as to where such a thread might go. I'm guessing Circus...
Probably Piccadilly Circus.
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
O how I wish some strong (but sensible) women would come along, and take over the world by scolding Trim, Kutin, and Prump into behaving themselves...
Come come. There is no such thing as naughty Dictators, only naughty behaviour.
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