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Brenda Clough
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I live near the nation's capital, and we know that we are a target. My husband and I selected a rendezvous point, in case of attack. It's a motor lodge about 30 miles from here, likely to be out of the inner range of nuclear destruction, and upwind of the fallout.

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while we're on the tangent, one of the most memorable TV reviews of all time (for me) was the US for Threads - something like "makes The Day After look like A Day at the Races"

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
We lived in married quarters at RAF Hemswell*, where my Dad worked on the IRBM Thor missiles, on loan to Britain from the USA.

Somewhat surreally, Britain's ability to launch Thors was entirely dependent on the British Oxygen Company as they were liquid oxygen fuelled, and like any supercooled liquid the stuff constantly boiled off when the missiles were fuelled up.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I live near the nation's capital, and we know that we are a target. My husband and I selected a rendezvous point, in case of attack. It's a motor lodge about 30 miles from here, likely to be out of the inner range of nuclear destruction, and upwind of the fallout.

A lot of Brits used to favour the "so long as I'm pissed and sat right under it" fatalism approach. The makers of Threads cleverly had the character who spoke those very words as being one of those who survived.

In reality it was said that even if individuals had the resources to build a fallout shelter, then the hardest job would be keeping out the thousands upon thousands who would be desperately roaming the land following the destruction of major cities.

Many of us who lived through the Cold War years were blissfully unaware of just how real the threat actually was, and how seriously the government regarded the likelihood of a nuclear attack.
This doesn't seem to be the case at present , so I am guessing that most of the sabre-rattling and mumbling with regards to Russia is media fuelled hype.

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Brenda Clough
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Well, you will note that we have done nothing more than select this motor lodge. There is no prep at all, no go bag, no stash of guns/ammo/food/water etc. The preparedness movement is an entire separate and very deep rabbit hole, into which I refuse to fall.

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rolyn
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Indeed, was just joking around really. Black humour finds no better playground than the possibility of nuclear total war.

In seriousness, what we are seeing with Syria and other war zones is clash of interest between the US and Russia which gives rise to fears of a gradual escalation in hostilities between the main contenders.
A lot of the bluster and bellicose that goes on in these situations is posturing rather than a desire to start wiping folks out en masse.

I dare say the prepers are twitching with the tin-openers and oiling their automatics at the minute. Then, Lo and behold, it all dies down again til next time.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I live near the nation's capital, and we know that we are a target. My husband and I selected a rendezvous point, in case of attack. It's a motor lodge about 30 miles from here, likely to be out of the inner range of nuclear destruction, and upwind of the fallout.

Apparently, the thing to do is get laser eye surgery, and learn to drive a motorcycle, so one can move through traffic zippily in the impending apocalypse.
That is, according to one piece illustrating the complete cuntery of the super-rich plutocrats.

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Brenda--

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Well, you will note that we have done nothing more than select this motor lodge. There is no prep at all, no go bag, no stash of guns/ammo/food/water etc. The preparedness movement is an entire separate and very deep rabbit hole, into which I refuse to fall.

Basic emergency preparedness is different from being a prepper, which is different from the folks who go wayyyyy down that rabbit hole.

Here in California, we're supposed to be ready to take care of ourselves for 72 hours, in case of any emergency. That includes both an emergency kit for home, and a portable one (AKA go kit). Ready.gov, affiliated with Homeland Security, has similar info.

ISTM a go bag is a very reasonable way to take care of yourself: a change of clothes, medication, comfort things, book, knitting, etc. Some experts advise keeping one at home, and one at work or in your car (if you have one).

FWIW. YMMV.

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I live near the nation's capital, and we know that we are a target. My husband and I selected a rendezvous point, in case of attack. It's a motor lodge about 30 miles from here, likely to be out of the inner range of nuclear destruction, and upwind of the fallout.

A lot of Brits used to favour the "so long as I'm pissed and sat right under it" fatalism approach.
And why not? What's there to live for in a post-apocalyptic nuclear hell on earth?

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
And why not? What's there to live for in a post-apocalyptic nuclear hell on earth?

If there are survivors then it will be down to them to rebuild society as best they can. That seems to me to be as good a calling as any other.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
And why not? What's there to live for in a post-apocalyptic nuclear hell on earth?

If there are survivors then it will be down to them to rebuild society as best they can. That seems to me to be as good a calling as any other.
"as god a calling as any other"? Dude, you have no imagination.

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Originally posted by rolyn:
In seriousness, what we are seeing with Syria and other war zones is clash of interest between the US and Russia which gives rise to fears of a gradual escalation in hostilities between the main contenders.

Both America and Russia regularly violate international law. More similar than different on that dimension. A dangerous doing away with rules. The US invasion of Iraq in 2003 was as much a violation of international law as Russia's annexation of the Crimea in 2014. Both show that the right of the strong prevails when international law is violated.

trumpy's bomb strike may be morally comprehensible, but that does not make it legal. Which makes me question why we bother having international law at all if it cannot stop a dictator from committing crimes against his people? trumpy has merely reinforce 19th century thinking about ,might makes right. The behaviour of the strong is always justifiable. trumpy understands this. He's just the latest in the chain.

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I'm pretty sure this is about North Korea. President Xi will have opened Donald Trump's mind to some of the complications involved in having North Korea as a neighbour. For all I know, the MOAB detonation, with its double effect, may well be the kind of "pause for thought" demonstration that Xi would, quietly, see a value in.

That's not necessarily the same as Xi agreeing to bombing raids designed to take out, or at least severely damage, the North Korean missile and nuclear capabilities. But China must be deeply worried by the failure of diplomacy and economic pressure to contain the nutcase in charge in North Korea.

They might well see the Donald as somewhat less of a nutcase. Particularly since he seems to be moving away from some at least of the nutty stuff he spouted during the campaign.

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There was no doubt in my mind that trump's giant bomb was for Kim to ponder and blasting a hundred or so IS fighters in the process was just the by and the by.

This is poker with bombs instead of chips, and fingers poised over buttons instead of revolver triggers.

Where is that bottle of Red?

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Let's have some proper sympathy for North Korea's president okay? When the USA wants your regime changed it can include being hanged like Saddam, or anally raped and shot like Gadaffi. Might nukes slow them mustangs down?

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I do have sympathy for Kim Jong Un. For years he (and his dad) has been able to sable rattle and everyone has gently explained that, should he actually declare war on the rest of the known universe, he would be very quickly incinerated. But meanwhile he can convince his people that he is waging war on the imperialists.

Suddenly there is a US president who is so dangerously unstable he might actually decide to take pre-emptive action. I am sure that China is encouraging him - China could have taken insane action and would be vilified by the entire world, but they can encourage baby-boy to do it without any risk to their standing.

It is all a power game. And Trump is the pawn that others are using. The aim in this case is to sort out N Korea, while China ans Russia can both condemn the action and seem like the nice guys.

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When Kim Jong Un first took over, I hoped that he'd be saner than his dad. At least some of KJU's schooling was in the outside world (Switzerland), so I thought that might have opened his life and mind a bit. But news stories gradually made it clear that *he* was doing bad things, too.

OTOH, we don't really know what goes on there. Maybe the staff of KJU's dad's regime found a way to control KJU, if only to stay in power themselves.

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Brenda Clough
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And suppose he repented. Suppose he realizes that he will go down in history as a dupe and a crook, and doesn't want to be remembered like that. (We will assume atheism, in absence of any other evidence.) How would he be able to alter his ways, change the narrative? (There is an entire novel in this, and I have written it.)

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Is Kim or Assad crack-pottier than trumpy? Are they equally crazed, or up different poles?

It's easy to determine who of these 3 I'd exclude from a dinner party. trumpy is the one who'd sexually assault the guests. Perhaps it'd be okay if everyone had a rape whistle?

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It's easy to determine who of these 3 I'd exclude from a dinner party.

Kim would have to see my barber first. I wouldn't let him anywhere near my table with that haircut.

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It's easy to determine who of these 3 I'd exclude from a dinner party.

Kim would have to see my barber first. I wouldn't let him anywhere near my table with that haircut.
Wouldn't it be nice if Kim Jong Haircut and donald fart could get together for a friendly meeting? They could discuss the problems they have with their barbers instead of all this nasty missile stuff.

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What if they mated? Shudder the mutant hair. No shortage of volunteers to give away the brides I wager.

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I wonder if men could accept their hair more, whether the world would be a safer place.

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