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Martin60
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Aye, drink is correlated with 90% of murder, not a statistic I made up, New Scientist did about 15 year ago.

Unfortunately, even when life was hell on all other fronts, down the pub it was often hysterical. Never lost or hit a friend or got clumped by one down the pub.

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So, to summarize Martin's comments to and about me on this thread:

I apologize, matey. You have thin skin.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't take the first half terribly seriously after the second half. [Disappointed]

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Aye, drink is correlated with 90% of murder, not a statistic I made up, New Scientist did about 15 year ago.

Unfortunately, even when life was hell on all other fronts, down the pub it was often hysterical. Never lost or hit a friend or got clumped by one down the pub.

You must have been buying the drinks then. Or found yourself the only person in the pub. If you rambled on in the same, self-indulgent fashion you do here, accusing people of being thin-skinned and the rest, I'm amazed you have survived.

No, I put my money on Martin60 being the reincarnation of Walter Mitty himself.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
No, Jolly Jape, calling a man a 'girl' is sexist, whether in friendly jest or sneering jeer.

Round here there is a saying 'don't be a big girl's blouse'. It means wimpish and lacking backbone. I hate it.

Girls/women are wimpish and lacking backbone? I think not.

Well, I'm from "round here", and I can't see that what Martin said to MT was in any way analogous to calling him a "girls blouse" (an expression for which I share your distaste), or why, in the original context, he would be accusing MT of lacking backbone.
Well, you are a bloke and you are ol...erm, of a generation that mightn't of been as awake.* Calling a man ma'am is meant as disrespect because women are not seen as equal. Try calling your boss ma'am. Though, even the blokey version plays on that inequity.


*woke is a more current term, but in deference to previous generations...

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... though similarly, calling a woman "Sir" when you know damn well she's a woman is also a sign of disrespect. It means "You are acting as something you are not, you unnatural and disgusting creature."

I've had it done to me.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Try calling your boss ma'am.

People do, all the time. Especially when their boss is a woman.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Try calling your boss ma'am.

People do, all the time. Especially when their boss is a woman.
Aright, fair cop. So add, "If your boss is a man" to my statement.

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... though similarly, calling a woman "Sir" when you know damn well she's a woman is also a sign of disrespect. It means "You are acting as something you are not, you unnatural and disgusting creature."

I've had it done to me.

Most assertive women have this done to them. Even more so if they are black.
I get "feisty" a lot.

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quote:
Calling a man ma'am is meant as disrespect because women are not seen as equal.
I'm afraid you'll have to take my word for it, but they are by this dinosaur.

quote:
Try calling your boss ma'am.
Well there may be a lot of things I might not have called my boss when I had one, though I can actually think of few who would have considered "old girl" as an insult, but then I did work for the BBC. But clearly it would only be appropriate in a "matey" context, which often did exist, as it happens, between my bosses and workers various. If (generic) you find it offensive, then clearly it would be inappropriate, and firm correction might need to be delivered. However, I still find such a situation to be miles away from the exchange between Martin and MT; as Boogie said, she didn't think Martin was being sexist.

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Sexist or not, he was being obnoxious. Mouesethief had already told him not to call him by the wrong sex, so what does Martin do? Once again call him by the wrong sex. Obnoxious.

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Martin enjoys ruffling mousethief's feathers just because he can. Not one his nicer characteristics. [Disappointed]

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quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
quote:
Calling a man ma'am is meant as disrespect because women are not seen as equal.
I'm afraid you'll have to take my word for it, but they are by this dinosaur.
I do take your word for it. However, one can have perfect respect for a group and not understand how a word violates this.
quote:

quote:
Try calling your boss ma'am.
Well there may be a lot of things I might not have called my boss when I had one, though I can actually think of few who would have considered "old girl" as an insult, but then I did work for the BBC. But clearly it would only be appropriate in a "matey" context, which often did exist, as it happens, between my bosses and workers various. If (generic) you find it offensive, then clearly it would be inappropriate, and firm correction might need to be delivered. However, I still find such a situation to be miles away from the exchange between Martin and MT; as Boogie said, she didn't think Martin was being sexist.
She said she didn't think Martin intended to be. There is a difference.

[ 25. April 2017, 17:05: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Martin enjoys ruffling mousethief's feathers just because he can. Not one his nicer characteristics. [Disappointed]

Indeed. Martin60's modus operandi is vague. He uses it as a weapon as well as general expression.

[ 25. April 2017, 17:09: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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It's my round, what'll you have mousethief?

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You to stop humping my leg, as already specified. I'm not your matey and never shall be.

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Bless you mate.

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martin, stop being an asshole. You're the only person I know who can turn a blessing into an incredibly irritating wind-up.

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Like I said, obnoxious.

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I'm not your mate. Get off my leg.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I'm not your mate. Get off my leg.

He cannot hump what isn't there.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Martin enjoys ruffling mousethief's feathers just because he can. Not one his nicer characteristics. [Disappointed]

Indeed. Martin60's modus operandi is vague. He uses it as a weapon as well as general expression.
More than that, he uses it as an excuse.
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His chief weapons are predictability and an almost fanatical devotion to himself.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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A duck with three wings and a loaf of bread is still sister to the turkey. Wearing no pants, Martin60 is the duck.
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Ah! A contest, is it? My obscurity is in eclipse, and I fear the hostly prod.

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Wes--

quote:
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His chief weapons are predictability and an almost fanatical devotion to himself.

And who gets the comfy chair? MT?

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Good on you Martin60. Your posts are entertaining and insightful. My favorite are the ones where you seem to physically live out your spiritual uncertainties like some sort of gonzo philosopher. All theology should be lived like the milk is off and there's no long-life in the cupboard. Do you have it black, or go down the shop?

You are a wordsmith Martin. Keep expressing yourself in the moment. Don't look back. Try not to get banned, that's all.

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quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
Good on you Martin60. Your posts are entertaining and insightful. My favorite are the ones where you seem to physically live out your spiritual uncertainties like some sort of gonzo philosopher. All theology should be lived like the milk is off and there's no long-life in the cupboard. Do you have it black, or go down the shop?

You are a wordsmith Martin. Keep expressing yourself in the moment. Don't look back. Try not to get banned, that's all.

All that can at times be true, but Martin 60 has this annoying habit of being deliberately obscure. It fucks up debate and discussion a treat and I sometimes think that is his objective.

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quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
All theology should be lived like the milk is off and there's no long-life in the cupboard.

I agree with Sioni, but I think the above is worthy of the quotes file and might even unseat Martin in my sig.

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Actually, I don't think Martin is being deliberately obscure, though I think the case can be made that he is being deliberately enigmatic. It's like he senses something just beyond his reach, and tries to reflect that frustration with resort to something which is, at its best, nearer to poetry than rational discourse. Once you learn to feel his arguments rather than analysing them too closely, it is possible to discern the outline at least of the hidden truth that stalks him, just outside the boundaries of rational perception. FWIW, I find him easier to understand than many of the works of academic theologians, though I confess that some of his more obscure cultural allusions escape me.

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Martin veers between Holy Fool and Fucking Idiot.

And there, but for the grace of God and our internal editors, go us all.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I'm not your mate. Get off my leg.

He cannot hump what isn't there.
I can assure you I have two fully functional legs.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
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Calling a man ma'am is meant as disrespect because women are not seen as equal.
I'm afraid you'll have to take my word for it, but they are by this dinosaur.
I do take your word for it. However, one can have perfect respect for a group and not understand how a word violates this.

You say this like a word has an objective meaning all on its own.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
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Calling a man ma'am is meant as disrespect because women are not seen as equal.
I'm afraid you'll have to take my word for it, but they are by this dinosaur.
I do take your word for it. However, one can have perfect respect for a group and not understand how a word violates this.

You say this like a word has an objective meaning all on its own.
No, I am saying pretty much the opposite.

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Every use of the word "mate" earns you another million years in purgatory. With added pine needles down the fingernails just to make it sufficiently infernal.

I don't like your use of it because I don't trust it. It sounds like it's in your ninth language, which you learned from your worst enemy. It is therefore passive aggressive and utterly dickish.

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Really, ThunderBunk? They obviously do things differently there in Norwich. Up here in the Rainy City, and presumably in Leicester, it is perfectly normal English as she is spoken, and a nearly universal form of address between men, be they friends or strangers. It's so common, there's even an insurance brand named "Sorry, Mate". You might not like it, it might, in your opinion, be infra dig*, but it's far too well used to be sensibly regarded as a sign of passive aggression. To think that someone saying it is attempting to put you down is to be oversensitive to an alarming degree.

* Infra dignitatum - beneath one's dignity.

[ 30. April 2017, 14:01: Message edited by: Jolly Jape ]

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Jolly Jape, down in the Metropolis and environs, I see both the friendly back-slapping use of "mate".
It goes with pub bonhomie and all lads together among the older men. Younger men tend to use "bro". Then there's the gritted teeth, passive-aggressive mate usage that really isn't friendly. The "You mate (or matey), need to get your skates on to fix this." type instruction.

I can see where Thunderbunk is coming from.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
Really, ThunderBunk? They obviously do things differently there in Norwich. Up here in the Rainy City, and presumably in Leicester, it is perfectly normal English as she is spoken, and a nearly universal form of address between men, be they friends or strangers. It's so common, there's even an insurance brand named "Sorry, Mate". You might not like it, it might, in your opinion, be infra dig*, but it's far too well used to be sensibly regarded as a sign of passive aggression. To think that someone saying it is attempting to put you down is to be oversensitive to an alarming degree.

* Infra dignitatum - beneath one's dignity.

This ignores the context here. We're not in a pub or in the street in your Rainy City or in Leicester. We're on the SOF where Martin has been told not to call me matey. If he does it again, it's passive aggression. I'm amazed that you, smart as you are, can't see the difference the difference in context makes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Jolly Jape, down in the Metropolis and environs, I see both the friendly back-slapping use of "mate".
It goes with pub bonhomie and all lads together among the older men. Younger men tend to use "bro". Then there's the gritted teeth, passive-aggressive mate usage that really isn't friendly. The "You mate (or matey), need to get your skates on to fix this." type instruction.

I can see where Thunderbunk is coming from.

Hereabouts, "bro" is used, but seems to be confined to a very tightly defined group - the church. I don't think I've ever heard it outside that context. Amongst the "younger men" demographic, "bruv" seems to be gaining some traction, perhaps under the influence of young men of Asian descent. But amongst most males here, it's definitely "mate" IME.

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Jolly Jape
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MT, I was responding to TB's rather blanket assertion that the use of "mate", regardless of context, is somehow passive aggressive or dickish. I was just pointing out that, in view of the prevalence of this form of address, as I say, pretty much the default around here (Manchester, UK) it is clearly not regarded so by most people, and thus TB was being extremely oversensitive.

None of which in any way implies that, at least in purgatory, you do not have the right to be addressed in a way of your own choosing.

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ThunderBunk

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quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
MT, I was responding to TB's rather blanket assertion that the use of "mate", regardless of context, is somehow passive aggressive or dickish. I was just pointing out that, in view of the prevalence of this form of address, as I say, pretty much the default around here (Manchester, UK) it is clearly not regarded so by most people, and thus TB was being extremely oversensitive.

None of which in any way implies that, at least in purgatory, you do not have the right to be addressed in a way of your own choosing.

Jolly Jape, I didn't mean that at all. I meant that Martin's use of "mate" was just about invariably in the category I described. It is perfectly possible for most people to use it otherwise, but I have never heard Martin do so. Or if I have, it doesn't stick in the memory.

Disclaimer: this is hell, where baseless snark comes as standard.

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Doc Tor
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What's wrong with 'comrade'? Inclusive, gender-neutral and venerable...

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Jolly Jape
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Nice and neutral, too! [Killing me]

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Jolly Jape
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Oops,should have said politically neutral​.

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simontoad
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is 'comrade' still the term of choice in the UK Labour Party? Did Tony Blair use it?

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Doc Tor
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Hahahahahaha.

No.

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Helen-Eva
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quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
is 'comrade' still the term of choice in the UK Labour Party? Did Tony Blair use it?

I'm pretty sure the trades union movement still uses it - I remember being at the TUC congress a few years back and they were talking about their "fraternal comrades" in Cuba. Dunno why comrades can't be sororal.

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Rosa Winkel

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I only see Labour members virutally now, but comrade is pretty standard, at least in the Labour International group.
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Definitely still used in the Australian Labor Party.

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Gee D
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Definitely still used in the Australian Labor Party.

Many users of the alternative trm "Maaaate" have either been in gaol or now are.

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[Killing me]

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I plead guilty to all charges.

What restorative justice do you require mousethief?

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