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mr cheesy
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You
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You just can't stop yourself, can you? You get an idea in your head and you can't hold yourself from posting it numerous times on the same thread as if it is somehow contributing to the discussion.

Prick.

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quote:
On that thread I said:
Everyone else: let's not get sidetracked into playing the thread by Martin's rules.

quote:
The cockwomble replied:
And what are they mate?

Oh you know, that one where you completely derail the thread by talking in CAPITALS, authoritatively declaring that the complex security issues in London can be solved with BOLLARDS, that you know for certain that the only important issue with this fire is CLADDING and where you simply don't let anyone else get a thought in edgeways because you repeatedly post single line posts that are not open to any discussion.

Because either (a) you're an utter prick or (b) you're posting whilst drunk.

Either way, fuck off already.

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You know, I considered calling him to Hell too when I read his response to my last post on the 'Warnings and scaremongering' thread. Then I came here and found someone had already beaten me to it.

Martin, if you really believe that once a building has caught fire the only thing to do is throw up your hands in horror and weep crocodile tears over the victims, I have nothing more to say to you. Except... go and find a mirror, and take a good look at yourself.

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Neurocognitive problem? Marty may be vaping something.

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Not to pile on, but... in addition, Martin, Mouse Thief has already taken you to task for the passive aggressive use of "mate." As I say, if someone addresses me as "my friend", they almost certainly aren't.

If you can't learn the larger lessons, attempt the smaller ones, at least.

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The fire brigade is called to kitchen fire six minutes after the alarm was raised. They can do very little other than watch the whole fuckin' place become engulfed in flames in under 30 minutes.
People have been previously advised to stay put in the case of fire, the conventional wisdom being that fires spread slowly.

Martin is entitled to say CLADDING as many times as he likes.
You're the dickhead here cheesy.

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:


Martin is entitled to say CLADDING as many times as he likes.
You're the dickhead here cheesy.

You can fuck off as well.

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rolyn:
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They can do very little other than watch...
Go and say that again to the London firefighters. They worked like heroes throughout the night in very difficult circumstances. Dozens of people are alive today who would not have survived, because of them.

They couldn't fight the fire effectively, no. But their first aim in any emergency is to save as many lives as possible. The second, to stop the fire spreading to other buildings. Putting the fire out in the building it's in comes third.

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No doubt at all that firefighters were required to, and did perform well beyond their call of duty given the nature of the situation.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
You can fuck off as well.

is that all you've got.

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
is that all you've got.

That's all I'm going to waste on you, yes.

Nobody gives a shit what you think about cladding. Nobody.

But, I'll grant that you have an advantage over Martin in that you're at least prepared to discuss this instead of simply posting one-liners and shouting CLADDING as if that's the end of the conversation.

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The only difference between us is that I'd rather be right than happy but you'd rather be wrong.

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cladding--- 22 quid for known flammable sheets, 24 quid for non...

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
The only difference between us is that I'd rather be right than happy but you'd rather be wrong.

No, the difference is that I'd be happy to wait to hear from you know, experts rather than have to read you repeatedly shitting over threads because you think you have the right answer.

And the problem here is that you don't seem to understand how annoying your behaviour is.

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'seem' is the operative word, for some, mate. And as you know, that's nearly as good a word as 'interesting' for nuance over here.

And who the FUCK needs 'experts' when it's in front of your FUCKING eyes?

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quote:
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'seem' is the operative word, for some, mate. And as you know, that's nearly as good a word as 'interesting' for nuance over here.

I'm not your mate.

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And who the FUCK needs 'experts' when it's in front of your FUCKING eyes?
You really are a total tool, aren't you.

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quote:
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And who the FUCK needs 'experts' when it's in front of your FUCKING eyes?

This.


I,m not a news worm but are you actually reading the coverage on this mr. cheesy?

You know America actually banned the use of this fucking stuff? Highly inflammable exterior cladding that is.

You know that people in upper floors phoning 999 were still being told to stay put? This at a stage when every onlooker could see with their own eyes that this was no ordinary fire.

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
This.


I,m not a news worm but are you actually reading the coverage on this mr. cheesy?

You know America actually banned the use of this fucking stuff? Highly inflammable exterior cladding that is.

You know that people in upper floors phoning 999 were still being told to stay put? This at a stage when every onlooker could see with their own eyes that this was no ordinary fire.

Right, so you admit it wasn't all about cladding - it was about management of the block, it was about the arrangement of space at the bottom it was about the design of the stairwell etc.

In short: you don't know jackshit what was or wasn't the main cause of this accident. It seems likely that the cladding had a significant impact, but as to the other stuff, you're just blowing smoke.

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mr cheesy, FUCK you for fucking not being fucking man enough to fucking admit that you are fucking WRONG. It's the fucking CLADDING.

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
mr cheesy, FUCK you for fucking not being fucking man enough to fucking admit that you are fucking WRONG. It's the fucking CLADDING.

mate

stop calling me mate, dickwad

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"It had to be a cladding fire."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/london-fire-grenfell-tarling-expert-1.4163560

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I'm a mere observer to this dog fight, and I'm finding this 'mate' business a deliberately provocative side show. A faire la moutarde se montre le nez.*

*to get the mustard up his nose = to piss him off.

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quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
"It had to be a cladding fire."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/london-fire-grenfell-tarling-expert-1.4163560

The article doesn't say it was the cladding. It says it was poor regulation. And that is almost always the cause.
Life is, and always will be, a balance. Safety v cost/ profit/expedience/convenience/etc.
The question is whether the balance is reasonable and, in this case, the answer appears to be no.

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Did you read the fuckin' article? The expert pointed to the cladding as the prime culprit.
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Stop treating "experts" cited by mainstream media as "experts". Go read how they are treated by their peers on specialist forums.

The cladding is a contributing factor. The lax regulations that allowed this particular form of cladding are another one. And lots of other factors, such as obstructed corridors, surely contributed. Your failure analysis is about as useful as Trump's Twitter account at establishing the truth.

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If we want to get to root causes it's capitalism.
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I suppose you think Corbyn's suggestion that the swankier homes to the south be requisitioned is a sure-fire way to engage peaceful transition and no more fires? I have a few anarchist acquaintances living in artist-type squats. Now there's a fire risk.

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quote:
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Did you read the fuckin' article? The expert pointed to the cladding as the prime culprit.

Read the article again. This time, actually use your brain.*
Safety and building regulations exist because people canning be trusted to do the right thing. Too lax a standard allows for a greater chance of failure.

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quote:
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In short: you don't know jackshit what was or wasn't the main cause of this accident. It seems likely that the cladding had a significant impact, but as to the other stuff, you're just blowing smoke.

Use your freakin' brain why don't you.

The completely unanticipated speed at which a raging inferno took hold is the sole reason a large number of folk lost their lives in Grenfell, and that was due to a flammable exterior.
Accepted this was probably not known to those giving fatal safety advice which instructed people to stay put when in fact they should have gotten he hell out as quickly as possible.

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I doubt if, at this stage, anyone knows exactly what happened, and why (though the burning cladding is, as Martin reckons, a spectacular clue). The inquiry, inquests etc. etc. will all take time, but hopefully answers will eventually be given.

Meanwhile, speculation is futile. YMMV.

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Speculation is people's way of trying to process it.

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Yes, fair enough, it's one way, at least.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
mr cheesy, FUCK you for fucking not being fucking man enough to fucking admit that you are fucking WRONG. It's the fucking CLADDING.

mate

stop calling me mate, dickwad
Mate, as long as you're calling me names in Hell, mate, mate it will be mate. Till we freeze over. Mate.

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@Eutychus. The regulatory failure due to Tory policy allowed the inflammable cladding waiting for yet another towering inferno to follow and because the death toll is an order of magnitude higher than any before, enough people have died for things to actually change. That can't change.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
The inquiry, inquests etc. etc. will all take time, but hopefully answers will eventually be given.

Indeed. And one hopes that a second inquest, twenty-five years later, will not be required in order to establish what actually happened.

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quote:
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Mate, as long as you're calling me names in Hell, mate, mate it will be mate. Till we freeze over. Mate.

If you didn't post such crap there would be no need to call you names, pick-features.

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quote:
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Mate, as long as you're calling me names in Hell, mate, mate it will be mate. Till we freeze over. Mate.

Passive-aggressive dickishness in passive-aggressive action.

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Given choice of passive aggression or just plain aggression I imagine most would prefer the former. Especially on a day as hot as this one.

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Is it too soon to start cracking jokes? I never know.

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What the fuck are you on? Moonshine?

Stop asking fucking stupid questions.

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The snake turns too far

Or is it just a random word generator attached to a muck spreader?

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Mate, as long as you're calling me names in Hell, mate, mate it will be mate. Till we freeze over. Mate.

If you didn't post such crap there would be no need to call you names, pick-features.
And the crap was what brother?

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Mate, as long as you're calling me names in Hell, mate, mate it will be mate. Till we freeze over. Mate.

Passive-aggressive dickishness in passive-aggressive action.
And what isn't your pristine projection in this Galerie des Glaces mate?

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I can only throw what is there to be thrown. And you leave a hell of a lot of shit lying around, for whatever reason. I have absolutely no idea what I'm supposed to be seeing, but the glimpses I get (or think I'm getting) aren't entirely pretty. I haven't engaged in any analysis of anything other that your manner of argument because there is no definite evidence of anything else, but sometimes one wonders.

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Welcome to the party mate. May be a grown up will come along and sort us out.

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Like you would recognise one?

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@Eutychus. The regulatory failure due to Tory policy allowed the inflammable cladding waiting for yet another towering inferno to follow and because the death toll is an order of magnitude higher than any before, enough people have died for things to actually change. That can't change.

No, you're right, the proximate cause was caused by capitalism's lobbyists deregulating with no misguided democratic mandate, as in Brexit to end mobility of labour, whatsoever. Capitalism now wants a hard Brexit as that will bring a swathe of deregulation of course.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Like you would recognise one?

Not so far no. Like the immediate cause of the Grenfell holocaust to deregulation. They'd be pretty obvious. Oh, you're not making a claim I've missed are you?

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Not so far no. Like the immediate cause of the Grenfell holocaust to deregulation. They'd be pretty obvious. Oh, you're not making a claim I've missed are you?

Stop drinking, Martin. You're dribbling.

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