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Crœsos
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For those who don't recognize the name, she's the Trump Administration's designated spokesliar, following in the footsteps of Sean Spicer and Anthony Scaramucci. I understand that this position requires a certain amount of spin, bafflegab, and deception. Fine. So be it.

What pushed me over the edge on this was her reaction to the news that Congressmen John Lewis and Bennie Thompson decided not to attend the opening of the Mississippi Civil Rights Museum because President* Trump decided to attend. Their reasons are given at the link but basically boil down to the fact that Trump is a racist who will cheapen the event and use black people as props to get credit he doesn't deserve for positions he doesn't actually hold.

Strong stuff, and it does require some kind of response from the White House. But I can't think of anything more tone-deaf (or maybe I just can't hear the dog whistle) than this:

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We think its unfortunate that these members of Congress wouldn't join the President in honoring the incredible sacrifice civil rights leaders made to right the injustices in our history. The President hopes others will join him in recognizing that the movement was about removing barriers and unifying Americans of all backgrounds.
Where the FUCK does Sarah Huckabee Sanders get the idea that she can lecture John Lewis (foreground, left) on "the incredible sacrifice civil rights leaders made to right the injustices in our history"?!? Seriously, when you're trying to explain the Civil Rights Movement to one of the Big Six you're pretty much saying "I don't know what I'm talking about but this uppity person has made things difficult for me so I'll express my displeasure about that".

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As we say in my, and her, part of the world, well bless her heart.

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Sarah Huckabee Sanders has integrity.
Once she has sold her soul, it remains sold.

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What's a 'huckabee', anyway?

[Confused]

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It is an age of wonders.

Like, how could Sarah H. Sanders possibly make me think less of her? Oh. Wow.

Much like her boss.

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I'm probably naive, but I'd like to believe that in the quiet places of her mind, she knows this shit is wrong. She knows that she is spouting lies and providing cover for many bad things.

That she's not really bad, just swept along with all the other flotsam and jetsam flowing out of the sewer.

I'd like to believe that she'll get her comeuppance and that she'll not leave the WH in a few weeks/months/years to become another rentamouth on Fox.

And look, there's a flying pig.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
I'm probably naive, but I'd like to believe that in the quiet places of her mind, she knows this shit is wrong. She knows that she is spouting lies and providing cover for many bad things.

That she's not really bad, just swept along with all the other flotsam and jetsam flowing out of the sewer.

I'd like to believe that she'll get her comeuppance and that she'll not leave the WH in a few weeks/months/years to become another rentamouth on Fox.

And look, there's a flying pig.

An big, ugly, bright orange pig at that. With teeny weeny trotters.

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Like this one?

Though IMHO, he's rather cute, unlike the real POTTYARSE....

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After referring to Elizabeth Warren as Pocahontas at an event to honor the Navajo Codetalkers, I shudder to think what Trump will come up with at the Mississippi Civil Rights Museum - perhaps calling African American members of Congress Sambos and the women Aunt Jemimas.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
For those who don't recognize the name, she's the Trump Administration's designated spokesliar, following in the footsteps of Sean Spicer and Anthony Scaramucci.

I will say this for her: she's keeping her cool much better than either of the men who preceded her. Spicer would get openly combative. Scaramucci burned out spectacularly before he even officially started the position. Sanders? She just shoots that glare and delivers her designated line over and over until the press corps give up and move on.

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There was a B movie a few years ago called I Heart Huckabees, from which I quote:

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Motherfucking cocksucker. Motherfucking shit fucker! What am I doing? What am I doing? I don't know what I'm doing....I'm doing the best that I can....I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to fucking do anymore. Fucker. Fuck! Shit!
Indeed.
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quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
I will say this for her: she's keeping her cool much better than either of the men who preceded her. Spicer would get openly combative. Scaramucci burned out spectacularly before he even officially started the position. Sanders? She just shoots that glare and delivers her designated line over and over until the press corps give up and move on.

Trump's a rich business tycoon. That type usually likes to cut workers, often by switching to automation. Perhaps she's actually a robot?

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quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
For those who don't recognize the name, she's the Trump Administration's designated spokesliar, following in the footsteps of Sean Spicer and Anthony Scaramucci.

I will say this for her: she's keeping her cool much better than either of the men who preceded her. Spicer would get openly combative. Scaramucci burned out spectacularly before he even officially started the position. Sanders? She just shoots that glare and delivers her designated line over and over until the press corps give up and move on.
So she more competently represents incompetence?

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
What's a 'huckabee', anyway?

[Confused]

In this case, the daughter of a Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas and presidential candidate.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
So she more competently represents incompetence?

Absolutely. If I were up there being asked why the President just tweeted some new idiocy, I would have caved and said "Because he's a dumbass, OK?" long ago.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
What's a 'huckabee', anyway?

[Confused]

In this case, the daughter of a Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas and presidential candidate.
But NOT related to Bernie Sanders, U.S. Senator and also a presidential candidate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
In this case, the daughter of a Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas and presidential candidate.

My favorite memory of Huckabilly's gubernatorial career was the time when the Arkinsaw governor's mansion was being rehabbed, and the family lived in an official triple-wide trailer. There was something downright poetical about that image.

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In the beloved TV series "The West Wing", CJ (played by Allison Janney) was the character who had this job. She was awesome. I've been trying to figure out how CJ would cope with working for T, instead of Pres. Bartlett.

I suspect she'd organize self-defense courses for women, and ways to signal each other if T is acting up, sexual harassment-/ assault-wise. Probably try to get to know Melania a bit. IIRC, she told off Pres. Bartlett a time or two. Would love to see her tell off T, but I wouldn't wish that on her.
[Paranoid]

She also might quit.

Turns out she wants a chance to comment.

"Allison Janney wants Aaron Sorkin to write a 'West Wing' reunion so C.J. can take down Trump, Sean Spicer, and Sarah Huckabee Sanders" (Metro US). And, from another Metro article, Sorkin has similar thoughts.

Wikipedia has a good article on CJ. The "Creation & Development" section talks about Dee-Dee Myers, press secretary to Bill Clinton, and how her experiences inspired the creation of CJ. Not an easy job.

As someone sort of suggested, Sarah has more talent and potential than the previous guys. If she worked for a better president in a better administration, she might be a good press secretary.

YMMV.

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quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
For those who don't recognize the name, she's the Trump Administration's designated spokesliar, following in the footsteps of Sean Spicer and Anthony Scaramucci.

I will say this for her: she's keeping her cool much better than either of the men who preceded her. Spicer would get openly combative. Scaramucci burned out spectacularly before he even officially started the position. Sanders? She just shoots that glare and delivers her designated line over and over until the press corps give up and move on.
I agree. As a political operative she is very very good. Is there a career path in the US from her current position into being a front-line politician?

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Ah, but does she dance as well as Mr. Putin's spokesperson?

Maria Zakharova in action with Kalinka.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Paranoid]

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Oh, that's good, BF. Very scary.

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I miss the Mooch.
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Ah, Mooch. We hardly knew ye.

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quote:
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I miss the Mooch.

Speed dating at its quickest. We were in the USA for the entirety of his moment in the sun and what a bizarre week and a half that was. Met lots of lovely Americans but spent some of the time with our jaws on the floor.

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Met lots of lovely Americans but spent some of the time with our jaws on the floor.

That's pretty much Americans' experience here all the time now. You meet lots of lovely people as you go about your day, and then -- holy shit, did you hear about ... ???!!!???
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I feel an impulse to apologize to every non-American I meet.

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What Mooch are we missing, please?

Thx.

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quote:
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I feel an impulse to apologize to every non-American I meet.

I'm considering some overseas travel, which means I'm going to have to learn to say "I didn't vote for that asshole" in Italian.

GK, we're talking about Anthony Scaramucci, the guy who took over from Sean Spicer as Trump's spokesidiot for about a minute and a half this last summer.

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Ah, thanks, Ruth! I know who he is, but hadn't attached that nickname to him.

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"Where the FUCK does Sarah Huckabee Sanders get the idea that she can lecture John Lewis (foreground, left) on "the incredible sacrifice civil rights leaders..."?

From Wixahatchee Bahble College, or whichever Arkansas institution of Bahble-larnin' she attended. Didn't learn much about telling the truth, apparently.

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Golden Key
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Does she know who he is, civil-rights wise?

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I'm considering some overseas travel, which means I'm going to have to learn to say "I didn't vote for that asshole" in Italian.

"Io non hanno votato per Trump"?

Alternatively, sticking your fingers down your throat as you grimace and say "Trump" should get the message across. (It worked for me in Norway.)

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quote:
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Does she know who he is, civil-rights wise?

I think this is irrelevant. She is spokesperson for a man who said he knew more about the military than the military itself does because he went to a fancy dress boys school.
It isn’t enough for his spokesidiot to respond, they must also attack. It isn’t stupid. It engages the idiots who voted for the fool.

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quote:
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Originally posted by RuthW:
I'm considering some overseas travel, which means I'm going to have to learn to say "I didn't vote for that asshole" in Italian.

"Io non hanno votato per Trump"?

Alternatively, sticking your fingers down your throat as you grimace and say "Trump" should get the message across. (It worked for me in Norway.)

They sell cards with the statement on it in half a dozen languages. (sigh)

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The Spawn Of Azathoth has offended people from more than six countries, surely?

[Confused]

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quote:
Originally posted by LutheranChik:
"Where the FUCK does Sarah Huckabee Sanders get the idea that she can lecture John Lewis (foreground, left) on "the incredible sacrifice civil rights leaders..."?

From Wixahatchee Bahble College, or whichever Arkansas institution of Bahble-larnin' she attended. Didn't learn much about telling the truth, apparently.

Ouachita Baptist University, according to her Wiki page. Ouachita is also home, perhaps not entirely coincidentally, to the Michael D. Huckabee School of Education, so I'm not sure Sarah Huckabee Sanders is representative of the general quality of education offered there. Every college has a few embarrassing legacy admissions. Right, Jared?

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In the last couple of days, a reporter asked Sarah if she really thought that all the women who accused T of sexual misconduct were lying.

She looked troubled, and said she was there to represent the president, not talk about herself.

Interesting.

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In the last couple of days, a reporter asked Sarah if she really thought that all the women who accused T of sexual misconduct were lying.

She looked troubled, and said she was there to represent the president, not talk about herself.

Interesting.

When you are someone's spokesperson, yes, you are there to represent that person, and not have an opinion.

It is the same way in which I operated when I worked for the government. When working, and asked about something, I stated the government's position, whether or not I agreed with it. That was my job.

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Not everyone would choose to work as a spokesperson for a pathological liar.

Again, interesting vocational choice for a PK/Baptist college graduate.

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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
When you are someone's spokesperson, yes, you are there to represent that person, and not have an opinion.

It is the same way in which I operated when I worked for the government. When working, and asked about something, I stated the government's position, whether or not I agreed with it. That was my job.

Yes, of course. But, from the look on her face, she doesn't necessarily think all T's accusers are lying. And, instead of her usual accusing in return (and looking like she means it), Sarah gave no sign that she agreed with her boss or was defending him.

As in that may be farther than she's willing to go on this topic.

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simontoad
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Yep, LutheranChk has it right. What she can be criticised for is her choice of employer. She is good at her job though, which is to feed lines to Trump loyalists while pretending to answer questions.

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Augustine the Aleut
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quote:
Originally posted by sharkshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
In the last couple of days, a reporter asked Sarah if she really thought that all the women who accused T of sexual misconduct were lying.

She looked troubled, and said she was there to represent the president, not talk about herself.

Interesting.

When you are someone's spokesperson, yes, you are there to represent that person, and not have an opinion.

It is the same way in which I operated when I worked for the government. When working, and asked about something, I stated the government's position, whether or not I agreed with it. That was my job.

As did I. However, when the position looked just a bit too bizarre to state with a straight face, I asked my managers beforehand to provide me with lines and a follow-up strategy. We would then have the surreal spectacle of three or four intelligent and educated people trying to make utter nonsense sound sensible (I would note that this was not a frequent occurrence, although we had one minister-- name available upon application -- whom we had to keep out of very hot water, and that was a real challenge).

I was once pressed quite strongly by a client to give my personal opinion and eventually had to say that I had no personal opinion during working hours. They asked if I had previously explained Adolf Hitler's policies, and I told them that the discussion was over.

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quote:
Originally posted by LutheranChik:
Not everyone would choose to work as a spokesperson for a pathological liar.

Again, interesting vocational choice for a PK/Baptist college graduate.

Not even if the pathological liar maintained he was a Christian??

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Ohher
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Frankly, I'm not sure -- at least based on my own personal experience -- that some Christians see any contradiction between that faith avowal and being willing to lie.

As one such person explained to me (after cheerfully admitting to lying through her teeth in order to join a group I was leading) that God wouldn't regard her lie as a sin so long as it enabled her to save my soul.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ohher:
God wouldn't regard her lie as a sin so long as it enabled her to save my soul.

Which was a sin of pride right there.

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jacobsen

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
quote:
Originally posted by Ohher:
God wouldn't regard her lie as a sin so long as it enabled her to save my soul.

Which was a sin of pride right there.
And a worser sin of misunderstanding, if she thought that she could fool God as easily as she fooled herself.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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Bottom line, though: Mrs. Sanders continues to prostitute herself for the sake of a paycheck. It's sort of fun to watch her press conferences for any sign of "You know, screw this, I'm sick of standing up for this ignoramus. My pride is worth more than my bank account. I'm off to find myself a real job."

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Augustine the Aleut
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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Bottom line, though: Mrs. Sanders continues to prostitute herself for the sake of a paycheck. It's sort of fun to watch her press conferences for any sign of "You know, screw this, I'm sick of standing up for this ignoramus. My pride is worth more than my bank account. I'm off to find myself a real job."

On the occasions I see her on television (more and more I avoid English-language news), I see a facial expression and tone of voice doing its level best to sever herself from the message she is delivering. I think that her days might be limited.
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The psychological toll must be fantastic. Surely there has been no more toxic boss that Lyin' Don, in all of history. I have asked before, whether any person, any business, any woman, has ever had dealings with him and would do it again. Anyone who would stand up and say, "Yes, I laid the tiles in his hotel bathrooms, yes, I married him, yes, I worked for him. And it was mutually profitable and I would sign on again." All I ever hear is crickets.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Integrity is a difficult thing. To say "no" when you know that it does mean you don't have a job. Knowing fully that others will sell their souls and grand parents for the right pay cheque. (I dislike the prostitute image in this and most contexts unless that previous man is also a prostitute.)

But a person also has to live with themselves. Becoming innured to it is the only way. To tell the small comforting fibs to self. That you are moderating the bad or perhaps even become a believer at least in part.

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