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Gamaliel
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I am extending an invitation to Jamat to join me in Hell.

quote:
Gamaliel: I’m sure you find my answers unsatisfactory, equivocal and frustrating
Not at all, it is obvious you simply have no answers. [/QUOTE]

No, you dipstick. I have plenty of answers, as do other Shipmates, but they don't accord with your Janet & John, unnuanced and numpty approach to scripture.

You treat the Bible like a cross-word puzzle or a horoscope.

You treat dubious Victorian commentators like some kind of Papal Magisterium whilst fondly imagining that you are going by the 'plain meaning of scripture.'

I dread to think how you taught poetry and literature to your students and how much they must have suffered as a result of your Legoland, Meccano approach.

You don't have a clue, you clearly aren't very bright and you are a first class pain in the butt.

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mr cheesy
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But he can code his comments properly. So there's that.

Boy we're going to miss this place.

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Sioni Sais
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On the contrary Gamaliel, Jamat is very bright but he doesn't use his God-given intelligence and is incapable of discernment. There are few things as dangerous as wrong-headed certainty.

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Gamaliel
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Sure, I'm crap at coding. Guilty as charged.

And yes, Sioni, Jamat isn't daft, he's fiercely intelligent in the way that many fundagelicals are.

It's just that he's pointing it all in the wrong direction and chasing chimeras in a quest for absolute water-tight certainty.

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Alan Cresswell

Mad Scientist 先生
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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
You don't have a clue, you clearly aren't very bright and you are a first class pain in the butt.

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, this is pot.

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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
But he can code his comments properly. So there's that.

Boy we're going to miss this place.

Are you saying the New Ship won’t have Hell?

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If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

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mr cheesy
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I somehow doubt there will be the same coding issues.

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Eutychus
From the edge
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Are you saying the New Ship won’t have Hell?

I think will have other people, so...

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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
I somehow doubt there will be the same coding issues.

Likely not. However, we’ll find other ways to foul up posts, so...

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So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

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Gamaliel
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
You don't have a clue, you clearly aren't very bright and you are a first class pain in the butt.

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, this is pot.
Pain in the butt, I'll acknowledge.

But not the first.

Smart-arse.

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mr cheesy
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Do you think that the Second Coming has already happened - and we've been left behind?

All the cool kids have already escaped to the Ship2 and they're secretly giggling as we go around the same cycle a few more times in our own private hell.

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Doc Tor
Deepest Red
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Trust me, this Hell is still public...

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Forward the New Republic

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Gamaliel
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So Jamat was right all along ...

I'm never an Early Adopter on the Product Life Cycle but I may migrate over to the new Ship in time.

If they haven't shut the doors of the Ark first ...

[Eek!]

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Praise the Lord for He is kind.

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balaam

Making an ass of myself
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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Do you think that the Second Coming has already happened - and we've been left behind?

There are plenty who think that it has happened and that we have not been left behind, as the predictions were fulfilled before the canon of scripture was complete.

The theory is full preterism.

I do not subscribe to that as being the best interpretation, but clearly many cleverer than me have thought it out and come to a different conclusion than me. As they have with all these different end time (or not, in the full preterism case) dogmas.

It looks like you are posting with no knowledge of what the different eschatological theories actually are.

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mr cheesy
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quote:
Originally posted by balaam:

It looks like you are posting with no knowledge of what the different eschatological theories actually are.

I knew it! It's common knowledge that the Left Behind people will become fixated with irrelevant and increasingly pointless spiritual point-scoring and trivia.

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balaam

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What left behind people?

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Lamb Chopped
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It's like left-brained and right brained, only with buttocks.

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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!

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Gamaliel
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Balaam, you are certainly making an ass of yourself.

Mr cheesy made a wise-crack about us being Left Behind as other Shippies are Raptured over to the shiny new site and you completely miss the point and try to engage him in Purgatorial debate about different eschatological schemas.

You silly ass.

You complete and utter dope.

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Rossweisse

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
It's like left-brained and right brained, only with buttocks.

[Overused]

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mousethief

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I think that this deserves an award in the category of "Best throwing of petrol and a match at an olive branch in a lead role."

quote:
Originally posted by Jamat:
quote:
Gamaliel: I’m sure you find my answers unsatisfactory, equivocal and frustrating
Not at all, it is obvious you simply have no answers.


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Jamat
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quote:
Gamaliel: I have plenty of answers
Cool. Fire ahead then.
I am sorry in advance for offending you but it is no answer to say you have an answer if you refuse to give it. I would actually love to hear what you have to say about the 70th week. Personally, though I see a partial historical application of Matt:24:15, in the AD 70 destruction by Titus, There does not seem to be an abomination of desolation event in there. This makes me think there has to be a future fulfillment.

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Jamat ..in utmost longditude, where Heaven
with Earth and ocean meets, the setting sun slowly descended, and with right aspect
Against the eastern gate of Paradise. (Milton Paradise Lost Bk iv)

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jacobsen

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quote:
Originally posted by Jamat:
There does not seem to be an abomination of desolation event in there. This makes me think there has to be a future fulfillment.

Right now, right here, Jamat. As a major contributor I'm surprised you haven't noticed.

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The man who made time, made plenty.

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Gamaliel
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You are quite entitled to consider that there is a future 70th week fulfilment, if that's your personal opinion.

What I object to is your apparent insistence that this only possible way to understand this particular sequence of references and that if anyone has different view they are ignoring the 'plain-meaning of scripture.'

I also find it intensely irritating when you continually duck and dive and refuse to answer questions posed by Eutychus and others, put your fingers in your ears and go 'la la la la la, I'm not listening' and then then accuse other people - such as myself - of not answering your questions.

As it happens, on the 70th week issue I'm inclined to take it allegorically or symbolically and in a historical/preterist way.

If it does have some kind of future fulfilment then so be it, but that's only ever going to be speculation unless, of course, we happen to be around when that fulfilment takes place in whatever form it takes.

Yes, I do believe in the Eschaton and the ultimate fulfilment of all things in Christ. However we envisage the Second Advent it seems reasonable to expect echoes, parallels and fulfilments of the themes and imagery we find in scripture - but I don't read the scriptures looking for patterns I can apply in a very literal way to current or future events.

To me,that represents a complete waste of time and effort.

That's my answer and I know you'll find it an unsatisfactory one because you seem obsessed with biblical prophecy and with interpreting it in a very rigid and wooden kind of way - almost like some of the JWs and Seventh Day Adventists I know, only without their other eccentric, quirky and off-the-wall takes.

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Jamat
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quote:
Originally posted by jacobsen:
quote:
Originally posted by Jamat:
There does not seem to be an abomination of desolation event in there. This makes me think there has to be a future fulfillment.

Right now, right here, Jamat. As a major contributor I'm surprised you haven't noticed.
Not sure what your drift is..sorry. I do remember you as the limerick maestro though.

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Jamat ..in utmost longditude, where Heaven
with Earth and ocean meets, the setting sun slowly descended, and with right aspect
Against the eastern gate of Paradise. (Milton Paradise Lost Bk iv)

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Gamaliel
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Perhaps she means that you are 'major contributor' to the 'Abomination that Causes Desolation'?

[Big Grin] [Biased] [Razz]

More seriously, no, you didn't 'offend' me in Purgatory or Kerygmania, Jamat.

You simply irritated me because you didn't listen to a single word anyone else says.

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Martin60
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quote:
Originally posted by Jamat:
quote:
Gamaliel: I have plenty of answers
Cool. Fire ahead then.
I am sorry in advance for offending you but it is no answer to say you have an answer if you refuse to give it. I would actually love to hear what you have to say about the 70th week. Personally, though I see a partial historical application of Matt:24:15, in the AD 70 destruction by Titus, There does not seem to be an abomination of desolation event in there. This makes me think there has to be a future fulfillment.

Hoooray! Kudos! Bravo! Bravissimo! You're first appearance in Hell Jamat? Well played. Take a bow.

[ 11. January 2018, 11:47: Message edited by: Martin60 ]

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simontoad
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I find Jamat excellent value on the Test Cricket thread, and I like his avatar.

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Moo

Ship's tough old bird
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I think that Gamaliel and Jamat should each accept the fact that the other will never see things his way.

Did you guys ever hear of agreeing to disagree?

Moo

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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
I find Jamat excellent value on the Test Cricket thread, and I like his avatar.

Seconded.

Hang on, this has a Pom agreeing with an Aussie.

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Gamaliel
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I like Jamat's avatar too. Very much so.

I'm not a cricketing fan but from cursory glances he does seem to know his stuff and I'm impressed by that.

So this appears to be turning into a 'let's take Jamat Heavenwards thread ...'

Perhaps his first appearance in Hell has led to the Harrowing of the same?

[Big Grin]

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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I like Jamat's avatar too. Very much so.

I'm not a cricketing fan but from cursory glances he does seem to know his stuff and I'm impressed by that.

So this appears to be turning into a 'let's take Jamat Heavenwards thread ...'

Perhaps his first appearance in Hell has led to the Harrowing of the same?

[Big Grin]

I tend more towards the "Damning with faint praise" option. Not nice, but more Hellish.

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RuthW

liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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quote:
Originally posted by Rossweisse:
quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
It's like left-brained and right brained, only with buttocks.

[Overused]
No shit! It's only 7:40 am here, but I have a feeling I've just had my best laugh of the day.
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