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Source: (consider it) Thread: Whom shall we send? The Vocations Thread
Laxton's Superba
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Great news niminypiminy!
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This is my first post on the ship, although I have found reading some of the comments really helpful when thinking about my own vocational journey - I have been spending time with my DDO for a few months now. I have begun to consider which colleges to view (I hope to be full time residential).

Theologically I would describe myself as Open Evangelical, my vocations advisor suggested that Ridley would seem a good fit.

When reading about the various colleges I have felt increasingly drawn towards Mirfield. Do you think that it is best to stay within your own tradition during training or to take the opportunity to explore another?

Masha - what drew you to Mirfield (congratulations by the way)?
O, I should probably mention that I have a young family.

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Welcome aboard, DaddyPig!

If you care to post on it there is a specific welcome thread here where you can introduce yourself to the Ship in general. It will certainly be worthwhile for you to read the introduction to it.

Godspeed with your vocation and enjoy the cruise.

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I think my first post on a vocations thread on the ship was back in 2006. Today I head off for the ordination retreat, will be priested on Saturday and will preside at communion for the first time on Sunday. Emotions are somewhere between [Yipee] and [Ultra confused] I'm hoping that after 3 days of retreat and some serious sleep [Snore] all will be a bit more serene [Angel]

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quote:
Originally posted by DaddyPig:
Theologically I would describe myself as Open Evangelical, my vocations advisor suggested that Ridley would seem a good fit.

When reading about the various colleges I have felt increasingly drawn towards Mirfield. Do you think that it is best to stay within your own tradition during training or to take the opportunity to explore another?


Have a look at Ripon College Cuddesdon. The location is lovely and there are always lots of children which is good for young families. What Cuddesdon has going for it is a real breadth of tradition so there will be people who will be of a similar churchmanship and others who are very different. All good grist to the theological reflection mill!

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[Votive] for you Poppy as you approach your ordination [Votive]

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I posted here for the first time sometime in 2005- and like Poppy I will be ordained priest this weekend. This site has been a blessing and encouragement through all the years. It also introduced me to Poppy long before we met at Cuddesdon! I would echo her recommendation its a very good college with a breadth of tradition which honours your own but helps you understand others. Particularly useful in a 10 church benefice where there is a range of churchmanship [Smile]
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[Votive] for Jante and [Votive] for Poppy.

Almighty God, reveal to us what we do not know;
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and keep us faultless in your service;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen
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Bless you both [Smile]

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Sorry Jante and myriad others

[Votive] for all who are to be ordained this weekend [Votive]

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Hello DaddyPig!

What drew me to Mirfield was the incredible prayer life and the monastic aspect. The placement opportunities are great and the staff are lovely.

It's also offering me a great academic option, if that's your thing.

It's a smaller community than Cuddesdon, but the grounds are huge and lovely.

There are families with young children at Mirfield too, I remember a child learning to climb stairs just outside the Refectory when I was there last.

There are people from different traditions, and a really well-balanced mix of ages. It has a great community feel.

So, the place, the prayer and it just felt as though this was a place to prepare for the realities of life as a priest.

Go and look, and go to one of the CR monks' services. Beautiful. Also, the church is amazing.

Basically, that's it!

Masha

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Mirfield sounds wonderful! I'm a bit envious -- but I know that part time is right for me and my family.

[Votive] for all those being ordained this weekend [Votive]

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Best wishes for all engaged in discernment, and prayers for all those to be ordained this petertide.

I'm currently working through the CofE "Yellow Form" (which is sadly only yellow if you print it on yellow paper), which masterfully manages to intersperse the mundane ("What is the date of your baptism", &c) with the mind-numbingly huge ("what is the nature of vocation?"). Genius.

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My first post in this thread... excited to see some other people going to or thinking about Mirfield! I'll be starting there in September too... in fact I just moved into college accommodation there last week with my young family (two boys, a 1 year old and an almost-4 year old), but still commuting to my work in Bolton at the moment.

Have you ordered your cassock yet?

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Hello all! Very happy to report I will be starting my MSE training on the All Saints Warrington based part time training course in September.
Wonderful to read about other folks' good news too.

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Yay!

Well done GreenPixie!

Good to hear all this good news!

Niminypiminy, yep, you have to go with what's right for you and for some people that's residential, for others it's not. I got so much advice, most of it excellent, but it still came down to my own sense of what would work for me and where I felt I should be.

Bit scary to think we may well be ordained in a few years.

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Reading and praying for everyone on this thread. [Votive]

And a special huzza for Niminy-Piminy! Your programme of study is a good one--we've had ordinands on it here.

Daddy Pig--I should visit both Ridley and Mirfield: they're both excellent but very different. Both very child-friendly.

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Hello all! Very happy to report I will be starting my MSE training on the All Saints Warrington based part time training course in September.
Wonderful to read about other folks' good news too.

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Daddy-Pig: if you are visiting Ridley, have a look at Westcott as well. I trained with a number of people who had intended to go to Ridley and ended up at Westcott. If you visit several colleges you generally know which one will be right for you.

I am, like everyone else giving advice here, totally biased... [Smile]

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I've been impressed by the good relationships between all the Cambridge federation--Westcott, Ridley, Westminster, and Wesley House--which last, alas, we seem fated to lose as the Methodists have decided to send all their ordinands to some gloomy bastion in Derbyshire.

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I'll put in a good word for Cranmer - it is a really good place. (If anyone is heading up here, drop me a message!)
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quote:
Originally posted by Masha:


Bit scary to think we may well be ordained in a few years.

I know -- I have a very strong feeling of 'who said we were grown up enough to do this?'

I feel excited though about my part-time course - thank you Amos for bolstering my sense that it is a good one.

[Votive] that we all make wise decisions about our paths through training

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GreenPixie -fantastic news! [Yipee]

And prayers for everyone else here who is exploring their vocation.

Just wondering if anyone else is heading off for Cuddesdon in September?

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quote:
Originally posted by Amos:
I've been impressed by the good relationships between all the Cambridge federation--Westcott, Ridley, Westminster, and Wesley House--which last, alas, we seem fated to lose as the Methodists have decided to send all their ordinands to some gloomy bastion in Derbyshire.

Anyone who thinks Cliff College is gloomy has not been. However I suspect they are actually moving to Queens Birmingham. Cliff has traditionally been lay and diaconal training not presbyterial. Deacons do not become ministers in Methodism.

Mind you the rumour is Anglicans are moving to Durham.


Jengie

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quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:

Mind you the rumour is Anglicans are moving to Durham.


I think the truth of that rumour is closer to Durham University will be validating Anglican ordinands degrees in future. Not that all training will be moving up north.

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quote:
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Not that all training will be moving up north.

Much as they would benefit from it. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by danwalters:
My first post in this thread... excited to see some other people going to or thinking about Mirfield! I'll be starting there in September too... in fact I just moved into college accommodation there last week with my young family (two boys, a 1 year old and an almost-4 year old), but still commuting to my work in Bolton at the moment.

Have you ordered your cassock yet?

[Votive] For your training and ministry Dan. Welcome to the ship.

[Votive] For all of you, whether exploring your vocation, training, or recently ordained.

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Oh my word. I have officially ordered my cassock and surplice.

Excited and still feeling weird!

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Yesterday I had an interview with an Abbot and I am formally applying to join an English Benedictine house. I would be very grateful for prayers as it's rather daunting!

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[Votive] For Hezekiah

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[Votive] Best wishes Hezekiah. [Smile]

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How wonderful, Hezekiah! You may be starting out on a wonderful form of life for you. I have very much appreciated the Benedictine houses in which I've taken retreats. Not my vocation, but a vital one.

As for me, I just moved in to my first parish. Physically, I'm settled. I think I have more names to learn than I ever did dates for church history classes... Transition is slow, which is probably good as I'm taking the time to get to know people before I rush headlong into a ton of programming or what have you.

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Thank you for welcoming me aboard – I will pop over to the thread Welease Woderwick and introduce myself properly.

Thank you also for all of your suggestions regarding colleges, it is great to hear that people are really satisfied with their training institution. I guess that as much as you read literature regarding each one, the only way to get a good understanding of a place is to go and visit. I will start making appointments to view a number of them for after the summer break, maybe I might bump into some of you then!

Poppy and Jante, I was speaking to someone in my diocese who recently visited Cuddesdon as a guest lecturer and was really impressed by the welcome and the way students from different traditions mixed. My DDO has given me a prospectus, he thinks it would be great too [Smile]

Masha, thank you for posting about Mirfield - it does sound like a wonderful place to be. I have contacted the college and will pop up in a couple of months. [Votive] as you and Dan as you prepare for September and for everyone here exploring their vocation.

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Cuddesdon was also great for me - even though the Ordinand was my wife. She lived in college and I joined her at weekends - I was always very welcome, and we made lots of friends there. The chef was good and the common room friendly.

Here we are at the end of curacy looking forward to where God wants us to be next.

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Also if you go to Cuddesdon you get to use the wonderful new chapel.

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Except that while I thought it was beautiful piece of architecture I didn't find it wonderful for worshipping in [Frown]

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That's quite the chapel; knocks spots off St Mike's. It looks lovely and light inside.

I guess a newly-built place of worship has to grow on you somewhat. Interesting to see what people make of it in ten or twenty years' time.

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I think that 'growing on you' is right. I worshipped in it a year after leaving Cuddesdon and so expect there was an element of wishing for the same old chapel we'd worshipped in when I was there. Also even the present students were adapting to the new chapel. It is a beautiful place, and very light, but as I said above I found it difficult to worship in it.

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We're moving in to Cuddesdon on Monday...not managed to see the inside of the new Chapel yet so excited to see it! [Biased]

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Enjoy your time at Cuddesdon- it really is a wonderful place. I may even make it back for a visit and renew our acquaintance!

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Off to my first residential week tomorrow! I'm full of first-day-at-new-school nerves, but excited too.

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So I see in Llandaff we have a new DDO at last. [Smile] Really great guy too. If he can't sort out the feeling of being on Franklin's Last Expedition that seems to be the inevitable result of having *that conversation* with one's vicar, then, errrmmm, I'll end up agreeing with the Church in Wales Review that we have too many dioceses.

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Bumping this thread up before we fall off the bottom of AS.
I hope that everyone is well.

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[Votive]
For those beginning their training this month - whether residential or non residential, and for all still on the path of discernment.

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Looking more at Fresh Expressions and therefore more seriously at Ordained Pioneer ministry. There are links to a really good Fresh Expressions ministry via the uni chaplaincy in my town so want to get involved in that once I've moved back for uni. Lots of ideas for more ministries if they let me get involved! Cranmer seems to be the most moderate/catholic-friendly college that does Pioneer training - is that a fair assessment? It seems a shame that only the evangelical colleges are getting involved.

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Originally posted by pererin:
So I see in Llandaff we have a new DDO at last. [Smile] Really great guy too. If he can't sort out the feeling of being on Franklin's Last Expedition that seems to be the inevitable result of having *that conversation* with one's vicar, then, errrmmm, I'll end up agreeing with the Church in Wales Review that we have too many dioceses.

Let's hope he stays in place longer than most of his recent predecessors, to build up a bit of continuity and stability.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Looking more at Fresh Expressions and therefore more seriously at Ordained Pioneer ministry. There are links to a really good Fresh Expressions ministry via the uni chaplaincy in my town so want to get involved in that once I've moved back for uni. Lots of ideas for more ministries if they let me get involved! Cranmer seems to be the most moderate/catholic-friendly college that does Pioneer training - is that a fair assessment? It seems a shame that only the evangelical colleges are getting involved.

Cuddesdon and CMS have a pioneer training course which looks to be a pretty good mix of practical and theory. STETS used to have one as well. The ordained pioneer route is not an easy one as there are two sets of interviews - one for pioneering and then the normal BAP. I'm fairly sure that you need a solid track record of starting and running a fresh expression to be considered for the ordained pioneer route but it is worth checking that out with your priest or DDO depending on where you are in the process.

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Westcott House have a distinctive pathway for Pioneer ministry and share a tutor for this pathway with Ridley Hall. One ordinand in my cohort was on this pathway and he did specialised Life and Service with the Ridley ordinands who were sponsored for Pioneer ministry. He attended everything else, in terms of chapel and liturgical formation, at Westcott.

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Thanks Poppy and aig, that's really helpful.

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So, after nearly 15 years of running, I've come to the point where I can't run away from ordination any longer. I am looking at going down the Minister in secular employment route. Anyone have experience of this? Also currently more than a little anxious about the fact that I am disabled and frequently use a wheelchair and wondering very much how the church deals with/ responds to disabled clergy and how much this will come into discussions in coming weeks/ months as part of the discernment process. Mel

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Originally posted by wheelie racer:
So, after nearly 15 years of running, I've come to the point where I can't run away from ordination any longer. I am looking at going down the Minister in secular employment route. Anyone have experience of this? Also currently more than a little anxious about the fact that I am disabled and frequently use a wheelchair and wondering very much how the church deals with/ responds to disabled clergy and how much this will come into discussions in coming weeks/ months as part of the discernment process. Mel

All clergy like all human beings are disabled and impaired in various ways. The fact you show some of your physical needs in a very visible way doesn't change that reality.

The 'wobbly ones' according to a wise man who ministered deeply though technically retired due to a crumbling spine describing those with particular challenges, bring great riches to the church if the church can stop seeing 'them' as recipients of church ministry and instead as participants who give and receive.

Working that out into practice is another matter. Technically not allowed to discriminate but further down the line I can imagine locally based concerns about how an (especially permanent) wheelchair user can visit folk who live up steps etc, and costs of adjusting the church house and access to various key bits of the church for leading and presiding. (usually panic about costs)

But then there are wheelchair using ministers - I know of one who is also a workplace chaplain. People cope, they get over the initial 'oh that's different' (ie can't fit you into the traditional hole)and meet you as the person. And as for visiting people in upstairs flats with no lifts etc - well we have telephones!! Not to mention other technology.

But as I say - everyone has limits, weaknesses and impairments, the problem is lots of people aren't aware of their own. We all come as wounded healers, mine is depression and less so these days but in the past with chronic fatigue.

Go for it, in my experience yes people will wonder about health issues - those who speak it out and those who don't and maybe can't but will think it.

Some will worry about practical doing of the 'job' others worry for you about sustainability of ministry, not wanting to see the demands of the role make someone more unwell. I had to explain at times that my awareness of my limitations makes it easier for me to see trigger points and look after myself to avoid burnout than the person who sees themselves as 'normal' and ends up sucked into the workaholic rut. Also the 'wobbly' leader enables others to feel able to offer what and who they are, and helps the church see the role of all in ministry - others can climb the stairs and visit etc.

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