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Does anyone here have experience of hospital or mental health chaplaincy?
Thanks!
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adeodatus, for one, should be able to help you with that.
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Does anyone here have experience of hospital or mental health chaplaincy?
Thanks!
I did a year's placement of hospital chaplaincy (a day per week). It was a very formative experience in many ways, the most obvious being my level of comfort now in visiting parishioners in the hospital, but in many less tangible ways too. There's an adage we were told that "your patients will present all of your problems to you," which I found to be true. It did as much for my human formation as for my ministerial formation, I think.
It also convinced me that I could never do it fulltime. I'd be totally drained after each day. I occasionally did two days in one week to cover for people over holidays, but I never did two days in a row, and I'm not sure I even could.
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Latchkey Kid
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Does anyone here have experience of hospital or mental health chaplaincy?
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I am the chaplain at a couple of small rural hospitals, though we call it a spiritual care provision.
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recklessrat
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Thanks for your replies. Having spent much time in hospital recently (myself plus visiting ill family members), the idea of chaplaincy work has entered my head. I am not sure I'd be brave enough, though.
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Latchkey Kid
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I was sure I did not have the right personality, but circumstances (God) manoeuvred me into it anyway. Others were much more convinced of my calling than me.
When people said I was a good listener I would reply that it was because I did not know what to say.
I keep my tag line in mind when I talk with people.
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Originally posted by Latchkey Kid:
When people said I was a good listener I would reply that it was because I did not know what to say.
Hmm...that sounds familiar...
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Originally posted by Latchkey Kid:
I was sure I did not have the right personality, but circumstances (God) manoeuvred me into it anyway. Others were much more convinced of my calling than me.
When people said I was a good listener I would reply that it was because I did not know what to say.
I keep my tag line in mind when I talk with people.
This resonates with me too. I was half way through my Reader training before I fully accepted that it was the path I was meant to follow.
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tessaB
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Today was the selection day for LLM training. I had no idea that talking to other people for 6 hours could be soooo exhausting.
Will hear in a couple of weeks.
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Prayers Tessa
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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Ooer, after the vocations forum I went to the other Saturday I've now been assigned a vocations advisor by the diocese for 3 or 4 meetings to discuss things and decide how best to proceed. It's all starting to feel a bit serious!
(Vocations forum went really well, not least as I already knew two people there - one quite well and one through my wife. Made it feel moderately less daunting.)
I've not really told that many people that I'm in the discernment process, but it's starting to feel like I need to tell quite a few more people. How did those of you who've been through this already do this? Did you tell only a few people at the early stages, and tell more later on, or just tell everyone up front?
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![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) You'll know who to tell when, iamchristianhearmeroar. It's one of the ways God affirms your calling. It's exciting, it's daunting, it's an honour. There will be elation. There will be disappointment. It's all part of the refinement process. In the end, we're powerless. Trust in God. My prayers are with you.
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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I told a perfect stranger this week just gone. A barrista in a coffee shop asked me about the book I was reading (The Pastor as minor poet) which I'd put on the counter, so I explained what it was about and when she asked why I was reading it I explained I was thinking about being a priest. She then asked if I believed in God, which I thought was pretty strange given what I'd just said!
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Originally posted by iamchristianhearmeroar:
Did you tell only a few people at the early stages, and tell more later on, or just tell everyone up front?
More the former for me. While you're still feeling things out, and the Church is still checking you out, I'd only tell people that you think will get that. I have one friend who has very open for years with people that he was discerning, but when he eventually applied kept that very close to his chest until he was actually accepted.
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I told a perfect stranger this week just gone. A barrista in a coffee shop asked me about the book I was reading (The Pastor as minor poet) which I'd put on the counter, so I explained what it was about and when she asked why I was reading it I explained I was thinking about being a priest. She then asked if I believed in God, which I thought was pretty strange given what I'd just said!
I was explaining to a nurse, who knew I was a Catholic priest, recently that I can't eat pork. She asked if I was Muslim too...
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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Well, it then transpired that this lady was a recent convert to Christianity (which denomination I don't know, but evangelical protestant I would guess from what she said), and when I said I was thinking about becoming a priest she's assumed I was a Roman Catholic (obviously didn't see my wedding ring then...) and told me so. Clearly that assumption went further than that I was just a Roman Catholic, but because I was a Roman Catholic I was also ripe evangelism material and worthy of an invitation to a meeting her church was putting on in town.
After a brief explanation that I was in fact Anglican, although the book I was reading was by a Presbyterian, and that really I was already very busy with things at my own church, I left with my flat white (which was fantastically good) and bacon roll!
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tessaB
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![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) Both myself and beloved husband accepted onto LLM training
Now the hard work starts ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Congratulations and good luck to you and Mr. B, Tessa!
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Starting this September, already got a short book list and ordered them from Amazon. Luckily with both of us doing it we can share the books and halve the cost!
Another member of our congregation will be starting training for LOM with us. Three trainees from the same congregation must be a record surely?
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It's a course run by Guildford diocese and accredited by the Ministry Division of the Church of England and by Oxford Brookes University.
I think it is equivelant to a foundation degree with the option to continue to get a full degree, although that is not necessary for licensing.
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Originally posted by iamchristianhearmeroar:
I told a perfect stranger this week just gone. A barrista in a coffee shop asked me about the book I was reading (The Pastor as minor poet) which I'd put on the counter, so I explained what it was about and when she asked why I was reading it I explained I was thinking about being a priest. She then asked if I believed in God, which I thought was pretty strange given what I'd just said!
I was explaining to a nurse, who knew I was a Catholic priest, recently that I can't eat pork. She asked if I was Muslim too...
I see that you two have encountered a pair of brain-dead monkeys! There's rather a lot of them around in my neck of the woods. Remember the BBC TV programme 'Yes, Minister' a couple of decades ago? I think it was SIr Humphrey who postulated that it was a bonus if the Archbishop of Canterbury actually believed in God, but it was not required for the job!
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
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Shortly after his election, our previous Bishop was interviewed by a woman on the local TV channel, and when he made a reference to his wife and family, she expressed surprise that he was married.
I can understand that if she was RC (which she probably was) she wouldn't expect a bishop to have a wife and children, but as a professional interviewer, she might have done a bit of research ...
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One of the interesting things about becoming a clergyperson is becoming acquainted with what other people have managed to live successful, happy lives without knowing. My own cousin asked me - after my ordination - if I was a Roman Catholic, seeing as I was hoping to be priested. A churchwarden in a local Church of Ireland church corrected me when I was having a conversation with a reader about being a priest; 'oh, but the CofI has ministers, not priests, doesn't it?'
And throughout my time in the CofE I was constantly being questioned about a) if I was Catholic and b) was I allowed to get married, both by people who did and did not attend church.
It's occurred to me that it's not really other people's jobs to know all the ins and outs of Anglican priesthood - or any other system of ordained or accredited ecclesiastical orders. Yes, there might be a reasonable expectation that some people ought to know. If someone is asking me can I get married, then, and they're standing right next to my male colleague, who they know is married, that can seem an outrageously stupid question. Or if the person asking me 'are you Catholic, then' is a Catholic themselves, that does seem at least a bit strange that they're not aware that their own Church doesn't ordain women as priests!
But it's hard enough - even as one of the initiated - to keep up with the weirdities and idiosyncracies of ecclesiastical investiture, without expecting even otherwise thoughtful and intelligent people to easily know what the rules are for each denomination.
As for never assuming that just because someone wears a clerical collar means they're actually a believer - seems pretty reasonable to me. Though the query may originate more often in carelessness than in discursive curiosity.
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So, I was woken up in the middle of last night by a bad dream about marriage paperwork. Are you all sure you want to get into this gig?
#didntwarnusaboutthatinfishersofmen
[Seriously, it's awesome, in the truest sense of that word. If I could avoid tedium, Im sure I'd have shirked something important.]
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Personally I think the biggest omission of my training so far has been how to swig the leftover blood of Christ from the cup of salvation with grace and due reverence.
*splutter, splutter, cough, choke*
#thingstheyshouldteachyouinseminary
( I know, I know, you shouldn't have so much leftover to begin with but hey - it happens - specially if you're the student deacon doing the pouring and the cleaning up. )
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At an Ordination in Belfast about 20 years ago, the Bishop had consecrated enough wine for about twice as many people as were actually there, and afterwards D. and I helped the Dean's verger to reverently consume about three chalices of (undiluted) British Port.
As D. put it, "God will understand and won't allow me to be breathalysed". I'm glad to say that He obliged. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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This is my first ever SOF post!
I'm just starting out in the discernment process and I see my vocations advisor for the first time this weekend. Is there anything I should know before seeing this person? It seems strange to meet a total stranger to talk about something as huge as vocation.
I have found this thread a source of both comfort and fear!
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This is my first ever SOF post!
I'm just starting out in the discernment process and I see my vocations advisor for the first time this weekend. Is there anything I should know before seeing this person? It seems strange to meet a total stranger to talk about something as huge as vocation.
I have found this thread a source of both comfort and fear!
Welcome to the Ship Zizioulas!
I am assuming you are talking about discernment process in the CofE - please forgive me if that assumption is wrong.
I am a Vocations Advisor in my Diocese, and my role is to accompany people on their vocations' journey. I am very much there to listen and to support, but not as an official part of the discernment process. People tend to come and see me (with the knowledge of their incumbent) at a very early stage, to talk about their journey so far, and to share an idea of what they believe their vocation to be with someone who is outside their immediate circumstances. Although I am a 'Vocations Advisor', I don't really offer advice as such; as I say, I am there to listen, to be a sounding board, and to accompany.
So if your vocations advisor's role is similar, I would say: don't worry! Just be open and honest about your journey and where you feel God is calling you. It is scary, speaking to a stranger about personal things, but I would trust that he/she is in this role because they are the right person to do it. Relax and be yourself! Hope that helps! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Welcome to the Ship, Zizioulas.
Trust in God. If you are being called, God will open the doors. This is one of them. We always will be brought together with people whose calling it is to be there for us, or us for them, at any one time. We never travel alone on the Christian pilgrimage for long.
May God's will be done, and may you be blessed richly by the service you are called to.
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Zizioulas
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That's very helpful, thank you both.
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Official welcome to SOF Zizioulas! As you know, the ship has been a place of great comfort for me on my discernment journey so far. I look forward to seeing your contributions!
[Disclaimer: zizioulas and I know each other in real life.] Vienna has given me a taste for the chilled varieties of beers, so let's meet up for that drink soon.
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Welcome aboard, Zizioulas!
If you click on the "FAQs" and "10 Commandments" links at the top of the page, they should tell you all you need to know; there's also a Welcome thread at the top of the All Saints main board page where you can introduce yourself.
Happy sailing!
Piglet, All Saints host
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I recall posting on this thread about 3 or 4 years ago regarding a possible vocation to ministry...it's taken me this long to do anything about it! Over the past six months or so the nagging got unbearable, so I've finally spoken formally to my vicar, and seen a vocations adviser for the first time. I'm excited, daunted and very busy reading at the moment!
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Prayers for you moonfruit. May you continue to know God's closeness, love and guidance throughout the process, and into ministry. May God's will be done.
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Thank you
It's moving to the 'public' part that is freaking me out right now - for some reason, I don't mind telling people at work, but talking to people at church is not happening right now. I'm not sure why it freaks me out so - possibly the vulnerability of it all. Anyone else experienced this?
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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I'm the other way round - happy to tell people at church (but need to tell family first) but reluctant to tell people at work until it gets to the stage of a decision actually being made about me by the CofE. I'm a lawyer, and although my firm isn't exactly cutthroat, magic circle type stuff, they have a way of making life difficult for people they want to push out/think aren't totally committed to the business/developing the business.
So, as I discussed with my vicar the other day, if one of the partners asks me any questions about where I see my future with the firm, or where I see myself in five years I need to come up with some form of words that doesn't involve lying and that doesn't give too much away...
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for you moonfruit.
I have taken to telling people quite freely (although I do often use disclaimers such as "if they accept me", or "they might of course just say no").
I saw my Vocations Advisor for the first time at the weekend. It was a good experience, they were very helpful and encouraging! It wash really worth being nervous about, but I suppose that's easy to say now.
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Thank you
It's moving to the 'public' part that is freaking me out right now - for some reason, I don't mind telling people at work, but talking to people at church is not happening right now. I'm not sure why it freaks me out so - possibly the vulnerability of it all. Anyone else experienced this?
Yes and I didn't tell most people until I was about to go to the BAP. There is a long history of people training for ministry from that congregation and I suspect this made it easier as I was just the next one to get around to seeing the VA.
You don't have to share unless you want to. Working out boundaries and what you share is part of what you do in church leadership so if you don't want to share, don't but talk to you spiritual director about it. If you don't have a spiritual director you will need to get one!
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Thanks Poppy
I've now received a lovely long form to fill in for the DDO...in it's 12 page long glory. Writing my 'life story' is a bit strange.
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So, as I discussed with my vicar the other day, if one of the partners asks me any questions about where I see my future with the firm, or where I see myself in five years I need to come up with some form of words that doesn't involve lying and that doesn't give too much away...
Discuss what you'd like to do re the firm without ever implying it's your only option? After all, you can't be sure right now that you'll go into ministry even though you are sure right now that you want to. If you don't go into ministry, your plans re that firm are very relevant. Having a plan B and C is reasonable, and I for one don't think it's at all dishonest to tell your boss one of your plans even when it's not your only plan.
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I've now received a lovely long form to fill in for the DDO...in it's 12 page long glory. Writing my 'life story' is a bit strange.
yes and you will keep on having to do it ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
so make sure you save it so you can edit and use again:) My one piece of advice having had my first copy disappear off my cp0mputer and having to start again. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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Whoo. Feeling really weird tonight. Moving house tomorrow. Not far; moving from our flat to a house down the road. Been at our flat five years.
I guess that combined with the uncertainty of how the discernment process will turn out leaves me feeling like I'm entering a period of great uncertainty after a much more stable period. Feels weird. Going to feel weirder...
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iamchristianhearmeroar. All shall be well, but all shall not be easy, nor will God's service be predictable. It's exciting, but scary. May your move go well, may you settle in happily, and may you be very blessed as you serve our Lord.
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Iamchristian, for both your enterprises - moving house and going through the ordination process.
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