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![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) iamchristianhearmeroar
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Has anyone done the Mission Shaped Ministry course? I'm thinking of starting it in September...
I did the 6 week MS intro course in the spring - it was really helpful, and in September I'll be doing the online MSM course with neighbours to help us as we grow a missional community in the area where we live. The online nature of the course means that we can fit it in around my neighbours' shift working and work with it in our context of 2 established housing estates and a new one.
I look forward to hearing how you get on with it :-)
I'm also linked into various Pioneer networks, and am looking forward to hooking up with some of them at New Wine next week.
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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Well, things seemed to go well on Saturday with the Examining Chaplain. We had a very intense (in a good way) 2hr discussion covering a lot of ground and going pretty deep down into various issues. End result is that he'll be recommending that I be sent for a BAP. Meeting with the suffragan bishop a week today who will have final sign-off on whether to send me or not.
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Excellent news, Iamchristian! All the best with the Bishop! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Albertus
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I think you must be mad, iamchristian, to put yourself through the ghastly treadmill that is the CofE's 'discernment' process. But I am very glad that some people are mad enough to do so, because otherwise we wouldn't have any priests. Good luck!
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Pomona
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for BAP!
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iamchristian. Hope the prep is going well!
I'm off to see the DDO tomorrow, and very unsure as to what to expect. I'm sort of expecting to be asked to take a break from the process, or at least for things to be slowed down. Which is probably the right thing to happen, but not necessarily easy! Prayers much appreciated.
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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So...it looks like I'm off to a BAP in November! Major nervousness starts now.
Moonfruit, I do hope your meeting with the DDO went as well as poss and that you came to some agreement about how to proceed next.
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Congratulations, Iamchristian! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) And all the best, Moonfruit.
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Congrats, iamchristian, that's really exciting news
My meeting yesterday went well - both myself and the DDO are in agreement about taking things slowly, to give me time to work on all the personal stuff I've got ongoing. I'm feeling much more positive than I had been, so that's good.
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Originally posted by iamchristianhearmeroar:
So...it looks like I'm off to a BAP in November! Major nervousness starts now.
Moonfruit, I do hope your meeting with the DDO went as well as poss and that you came to some agreement about how to proceed next.
Well done, hooray.
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Best of luck, Iamchristian!
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For something which is supposed to be all supportive and non-judgemental and about discerning God's will, it's a bloody grinder, isn't it? I really do think they ought to consider whether the experience can be made less unpleasant. But I suspect the reason for them not doing so is that there's probably a whole slew of at best half-acknowledged socialisation/ rite of passage things going on here, which would leap out at me if I were a sociologist of professions.
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iamchristianhearmeroar.
You've come this far, trusting in God. Hang on in there.
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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Albertus, I don't think it's made to be deliberately unpleasant. But it is hugely, life-changingly, existentially significant for me, and I think there can sometimes be a tendency amongst people who are already ordained to forget what it was like when they were at my stage.
I see it in my current profession (law) too. In my particular niche there are some incredibly gruelling exams which you do at the same time as holding down your job as an assistant lawyer. It's actually a really grim, highly pressured time. But you'd be amazed at how quickly some qualified lawyers forget that and how badly they treat trainees preparing for those exams.
Once you're in you're in and it's perhaps no wonder that you erase/forget some of your more difficult experiences getting to that point...
"Selectivity of human memory is the foundation for original sin." Discuss!
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I think you're right about all that. I suppose that the big disconnection for me is between the amount of insight that they seem to expect you to have about yourself (and which they sometimes claim to have about you) and the lack of insight and reflexivity which they seem to have about their own way of working.
But of course best wishes and prayers for you as you go forward.
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Originally posted by iamchristianhearmeroar:..."Selectivity of human memory is the foundation for original sin." Discuss!
I think the discussion on that topic could fill ALL the bookshelves in ALL our various houses!
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I shouldn't imagine it's designed to be unpleasant, but it is presumably designed to discern whether your calling is a true one and you're going to be suitable, which by its nature isn't going to be a walk in the park.
Having said that, you've come so far; with a bit of help from the Almighty* you'll succeed.
* who's getting lots of nudges from all of us on here ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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I'm sure it's quite common to have odd dreams and nightmares when you know you're facing something important. I remember the week before my Highers results came through (about 35 years ago ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ) having dreams which alternated between getting exactly what I wanted and ploughing the whole bloody lot.
What actually happened was somewhere in between ...
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Arethosemyfeet
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Received letter from Bishop saying no-go on the discernment process. Am strange mixture of relieved and disappointed so currently sitting around neutral mood-wise. Need to do some thinking and praying about what my sense of calling is really about, if this isn't it.
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Albertus
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Oh dear. Still, I think that's the right reaction. Have you arranged a debrief with your DDO? Should be helpful.
Oh, and remember that although this can feel like a personaal brush-off, it isn't: actually you know a lot more about yourself than they ever will.
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Sorry your discernment process didn't turn out as you'd hoped, Arethosemyfeet.
that you'll find the path that's right for you.
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I got a not yet ready from my ACCM [as it was called then] back in the 1970s - it hurt but history shows it to have been the right decision - I'm so glad it happened that way; it gave me an opportunity to reassess and move on.
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Oh dear. Still, I think that's the right reaction. Have you arranged a debrief with your DDO? Should be helpful.
Oh, and remember that although this can feel like a personaal brush-off, it isn't: actually you know a lot more about yourself than they ever will.
I don't think it's about me personally, it's about the role I feel called to. I think it's too much of a gamble in terms of resourcing and doesn't meet an obvious need in the diocese. The reasons are pretty rational and sensible (and ones I knew existed from the start), but I was pursuing it because God's idea of rational and sensible isn't always the same as ours and the idea needed to be tested.
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Arethosemyfeet, as you continue to discern God's path for you.
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Albertus
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Oh dear. Still, I think that's the right reaction. Have you arranged a debrief with your DDO? Should be helpful.
Oh, and remember that although this can feel like a personaal brush-off, it isn't: actually you know a lot more about yourself than they ever will.
I don't think it's about me personally, it's about the role I feel called to. I think it's too much of a gamble in terms of resourcing and doesn't meet an obvious need in the diocese. The reasons are pretty rational and sensible (and ones I knew existed from the start), but I was pursuing it because God's idea of rational and sensible isn't always the same as ours and the idea needed to be tested.
Oh, well that's good to know.
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Slowly! And listening carefully...there might be a change of direction afoot. Interesting, exciting and scary times.
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All gone quiet here, mainly due to some personal stuff. Not sure quite what to do. Have been thinking quite a lot about the idea of God's economy being different to ours, tying in with timings, how situations you find yourself in unexpectedly have an impact, etc etc. Hoping this is not really so much displacement activity but is actually useful thought. for you all.
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I think all our experiences have an impact. Sounds difficult for you, though. Sorry to read that.
On the timing issue: I waited a while... I had three years between BAPs, and during that time I tried to make the most of every opportunity. I realise that I was very lucky indeed, but I had a wonderful three years and was as ready as I could be by the time I hit my second panel.
Time flies, I'm looking at a potential curacy next week...
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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for you LS.
Masha, my goodness, it seems only yesterday on this thread that you were starting at college! Time flies (particular at the pace of the Ship).
Well, in three weeks I'll be back from my BAP. Ooer!
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LS, I can relate to what you say about timing etc. One thought that really helped me, as I wait for things to happen, was that's God's not slow with us, but patient. My experience has certainly been of God using this 'in between' time to shape me, slowly and carefully, in ways that I'm sure will be beneficial into the future.
Good luck with looking at curacies, Masha
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prayers very much with you Iamchristian
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May the peace and blessings of the Lord be with you every step of the way as you yield to his will, Iamchristianhearmeroar.
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Iamchristian.
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So. I'm currently training (paid) for a new job which starts at the start of November, and will be very full-on until at least mid-January (a big new branch of a popular retail chain, so going from store opening busyness straight into Christmas busyness).
I don't know whether it's the pressure of the new job, which is scary but enjoyable, or a genuine Divine Nudge, but I am feeling like the religious life might be something I want to look at again. I did take a look at CSF (women's First Order Franciscans in the Anglican church) in the summer but due to applying for my job, it got left by the wayside. I am considering an order I stayed with before which is a 'mixed life' (contemplative and active) order. I will need to work for a bit to pay off a small (few hundred pounds) debt anyway, but I'm also wondering how quickly I should get things going if the religious life is calling me. The company I work for is a great company to work for (famously so in the UK), I feel like I should go and travel a bit etc - unlike ordination, there would be a point at which I couldn't do those things anymore. Is it better to have more life experience first?
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Don't know whether my opinion is worth much, but I'd say yes, do stick with the job and get some more experience. AIUI you haven't really had much in the way of a paid job, at least since you left university, and whatever else you might be thinking of doing with your life this current job is probably good for you. And enjoy a spell of doing a job you like, getting paid for it, at a decent company- with the ups and downs that you seem to have had, I'd say you deserve it!
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Pomona, I'm also 'looking at' religious life at the moment - and feeling like it's a 'soon, but not quite yet' thing. I think there's immense value, for me certainly, of having this time in employment to really think, pray and discern what's right. For all I'm eager in some respects to 'get moving', I know that God has things to do in this time now. It could be the same for you too, perhaps?
If you'd like to talk more about religious life and such, do feel free to PM me.
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Pomona - if there are things that you think you would like to do, then do them first. Otherwise the not doing them may nibble at the foundations of your contentment in later life
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Pomona
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Thank you for your responses.
I mean more a sense of FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) ie things I feel I should be doing, rather than things I really desperately want to do. Obviously I will have to stay in my job for a while anyway for income reasons, but I meant more that from an outsider point of view it seems odd to leave behind a good job for life in a convent, if that is what I really want.
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Albertus
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It may be- I don't know- that the convent would want to know that you'd had enough experience of 'normal' life outside* to be sure that you wanted to leave it; and that you're not just wanting to join because you think it's an escape from 'normal' responsibilities. In any case I'm sure they won't think it odd to leave behind a good job for life in a convent!
*That makes it sound a bit enclosed- I know CSF aren't like that- but you know what I mean.
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Pomona
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It's not CSF I'm considering but it isn't an enclosed order. But by 'outsiders' I meant more friends and family and general expectations.
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