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Lothlorien
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Not full-time but more than a half-time load Loth.
Been there, done that too. Hope all goes well. ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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RainbowGirl
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Evangeline.
I just finished my first work week as well, feeling agog at all the information available and very humbled by the insights my classmates are discussing. A little like a primary school kid who has found themselves at university by mistake.
Will keep you in my prayers.
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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for you.
Please also extend your to all those at BAP at the moment. A friend (and occasional shipmate) is at Shallowford this week.
Please also that I might pull my finger out and get on with applying to theological colleges! (OK, OK, I have an excuse - our second child was born six weeks ago, so family has had to take first priority!)
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For you and new baby!
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Congratulations, Iamchristian! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Now get your finger out ... ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Evangeline
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Very exciting IamChristian, congratulations. Go fill those forms out (says me who only applied a fortnight before College started) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Nanny Plum is a Legend
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Just a quick update to say I'm now more than halfway through the Bishop's Certificate. I've also been on an NSM conference and I'm going forward to a vocations forum in a few months' time (assuming the last place hasn't gone by the time my incumbent submits the paperwork!)
Thanks for your help when I first posted. I feel like I'm at the start of a very interesting journey... I do hope it doesn't end in a "No".
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Evangeline
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Good to hear NannyPlum, hope it goes well for you.
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Glad things seem to be going well, NannyPlum. The journey will certainly be interesting - be prepared for a rollercoaster ride!
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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Happy Easter to everyone here! Hope everyone's getting on OK.
Another meeting with the DDO tonight, to discuss timing of visits to colleges and applications etc. I really look forward to these meetings!
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moonfruit
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iamchristian, I hope your meeting went well, and good luck with those applications!
Things are fine here, although I'm a little nervous - I'm seeing my parents for the day on Thursday, and have decided that it really is about time to tell them about this religious life business. I have no clue how they will react - I don't think it will be a negative reaction as such, I just don't know at all what to expect! Wish me luck...
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Welease Woderwick
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from here too.
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Hope things go well Moonfruit. I well remember telling my parents I was becomming a Catholic. They accepted it in time, though they thought it was all rather an odd thing to do.
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Japes
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moonfruit. Hope it goes well.
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Nanny Plum is a Legend
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Good luck for your meeting today, moonfruit. I hope your parents understand and are supportive.
A quick update - I did get the place on the vocations forum, so am going to that in May. I know this is still a lonnnnnngggggg process and I need patience, but it does feel like progress.
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Doone
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Hope all goes well Moonfruit and Nanny Plum
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Moonfruit and Nanny Plum.
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moonfruit
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Good to hear things are moving forward, Nanny Plum. for you.
Today went well with my parents - they were pretty chilled out actually. They had lots of questions, which seemed really to boil down to: "but we can still see you, right?", which is completely understandable, and is what quite a few people have asked me! Overall a much easier thing that I was expecting it to be, which is good. Thanks all for your good wishes and prayers.
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Glad it went well, moonfruit!
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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for the vocations forum Nanny Plum. I got far more out of mine than I ever thought I would, and I hope it is the same for you too! The vocations set up in your diocese is really good, and I hope the day (and continued discernment process) goes well.
In case it is of interest, a friend on f/b has highlighted that there are a few last minute places left on this. I really hope that link works. If not, try here.
[Edited to add second link]
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Evangeline
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So how is everyone going?
I started part-time theological studies at the end of February and am working 3.5 days per week for 2 different church orgs. The studies are... interesting, one is expected to demonstrate one's understanding of the correct evangelical approach (because there is ONE of course). I'm pretty sure I've been branded with the 'heretic' mark despite not saying too much.
I have no clear idea of where I'm going to end up but I'm trusting God.
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Lothlorien
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
So how is everyone going?
I started part-time theological studies at the end of February and am working 3.5 days per week for 2 different church orgs. The studies are... interesting, one is expected to demonstrate one's understanding of the correct evangelical approach (because there is ONE of course). I'm pretty sure I've been branded with the 'heretic' mark despite not saying too much.
I have no clear idea of where I'm going to end up but I'm trusting God.
There is only ONE way of course. Like many others, the right way is the one espoused by the institution. Strange, isn't it, how many ways there are.
Keeping your mouth shut is difficult and I think sometimes the so called heresy seeps out through the pores.
On the other hand, I do know several people who have been there, even for doctorates, who have many views which are pretty well totally opposed to the college ideas.
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Evangeline
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I think seeping out through the pores is the right analogy Loth.
Unbelievably the pendulum at the theological colleges is swinging towards the more conservative at the moment -so those with different views are pretty few and far between and getting scarcer. PhDs are only awarded in association with other institutions at the moment-it's not accredited to offer PhDs so I suspect that's why differing views used to be around, I understand PhDs may be in the offing sometime in the future.
That said I have met some lovely and supportive people so far and for that I am grateful.
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Lothlorien
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The couple of PhD candidates would have started their studies recently, but not in immediate past. Certainly not people one would immediately associate with the college.
I also know several doing first theological degrees who have chosen to go to CMBC.
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Jengie jon
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How well a PhD student does who differs from the main stance of the college will depend on their topic. A doctoral student who does not hold a conservative stance towards bible interpretation may well struggle. A doctoral student who wants to explore the experiences of worship of elderly people may have little difficulty at all. The seconds findings do not lead them directly into conflict with the ethos.
If that is the case, provided there is a supervisor interested that they respect, the PhD can be a good experience.
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Laxton's Superba
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I'm still here, six years down the line. Wondering still what God is calling me to, if (as has so far been discerned by the C of E at 2 BAPs) it's not the ordained ministry. Thinking of you all especially those who are to be ordained soon. Praying that the Holy Spirit will move in all our hearts to help us discern what we need to discern.
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tessaB
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Praying for you and for all who are still struggling to find the path that is right for them. Beloved husband and I are nearly two-thirds of the way through our training for licensed lay ministry. Just had our appraisals and been re-assured that our tutor is recommending that we go on to year three. (Phew!)Although we have passed all the written assignments there is that dreadful word 'formation' hanging over us all the time. I wonder if anyone ever failed because the tutors felt that they hadn't progressed with their formation enough?
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Jengie jon
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Yes, but it is harder than you think. Basically, you either need to get into disciplinary measures or make major cockups in any practical placements and show no signs of learning from them. It is asking "Are there good grounds to doubt that this person is capable of behaving responsibly as a minister?" It is not about judging your spiritual progress.
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Raptor Eye
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Originally posted by Laxton's Superba:
I'm still here, six years down the line. Wondering still what God is calling me to, if (as has so far been discerned by the C of E at 2 BAPs) it's not the ordained ministry. Thinking of you all especially those who are to be ordained soon. Praying that the Holy Spirit will move in all our hearts to help us discern what we need to discern.
Waiting for God to make the way clear is perhaps part of the process. I know someone who first went to a BAP and was refused, later entered the monastic life which was not right either, and then finally, 15 years after the first BAP, was accepted and is now fully immersed in ministry. All of the experiences of the years in between are being fully utilised.
Others I know who have been accepted and trained as Readers have had to wait for the time to be right before their ministry began after licensing.
It doesn't make it any easier to bear, however. I join you in praying for the Holy Spirit to make God's purpose known for everyone who is discerning our calling, initially and ongoing.
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Hello all, I've been following this thread throughout my own discernment process and now I'm less than two weeks away from my BAP I thought I'd stick my oar in.
I'm having a bit of a 'holy crap does this mean I have to be a vicar' moment, having been so engrossed in coping with the limbo, the interviews, the practicalitis etc for so long!
I don't have a strong relationship with my sending church mostly as I'm 30 years younger than the next youngest, and my vicar has championed me but is on sabbatical! So thought I'd reach out here, if that's ok.
Thank you for the support you've unknowingly already given!
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Lothlorien
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Of course that is OK to reach out on this thread. I don't know how long you have been reading in the background, but this thread and board are for supporting shipmates in all circumstances. Don't forget the prayer thread too.
Welcome to the ship and may your voyage here be beneficial.
If you haven't already done so, it would be a good idea to read the Ten Commandments of the Ship. Link at top of page. The introduction to each board gives some idea of the ethos of that board..
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Piglet
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Welcome aboard indeed, B&P - happy sailing with us!
Piglet, another AS host
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Welease Woderwick
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...and now you have the trifecta with best wishes from me too.
WW - the third AS Host
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Raptor Eye
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Welcome to the ship Brokenness and Pearls.
for your BAP
for you, that you will be given the peace and strength you need in this time leading up to it
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Brokenness&Pearls*
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Thank you
So for those who have been through it, what do you wish you could go back and tell yourself the week before your BAP?
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Doone
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I haven't been through anything like a BAP, but I pray it goes well for you
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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Hi B&P, welcome to the Ship!
I think I'm the most recent here to have attended a BAP (last November, apologies if anyone's been more recently!). What would I tell myself?
I think I'd tell myself what various people told me, and what I've told various people since who've been attending BAPs: (1) be yourself, and (2) try to enjoy it. They both sound like real cliches, but they're both important I think. As a (3) I'd be reminding myself what my area bishop told me which was to treat it more like a retreat than a job interview. (How would I know what a retreat was like, I'd never been to one! But I knew what he meant...)
I'd also be reminding myself of what my DDO said, which was that if you're going to a BAP you're going with the blessing of the diocese, and the selectors know that. Don't go with the feeling that you need to "talk your way in" too much. Your Sponsoring Papers should set out a good case for you, and the selectors are there to confirm the discernment decision of you and your diocese, to examine any particular areas highlighted for further testing in the Sponsorship Papers and, yes, to check that the diocese haven't missed anything. They're not trying to catch you out, just to check that this is indeed the right thing for you, the right thing for the Church and the will of God.
On a more practical note, one thing I would certainly do is to reread as much as you are able the written papers submitted in advance of the BAP, i.e. what you've written and what others have written about you. Obviously you'll have your own application you submitted and the written reflection. Hopefully you'll have seen or have copies of the references submitted, and have seen (at least once) the Sponsorship Papers from your DDO. If something's been said about you in writing, be prepared to answer on it - I was a little thrown by some questions about some throw away comment one of my referees had said about me. It was fine in the end, but the selectors read more into the statement in the reference than I obviously did when I read it!
If you've any questions, do post here or feel free to PM me!
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Nanny Plum is a Legend
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Hello, everyone! I've not been on in a while and thought I'd give an update. I have been to an NSM conference and a vocations conference, and also the residential weekend for the Bishop's Certificate, so I've not been resting on my laurels ![[Biased]](wink.gif) . I've had my first meeting with my vocations advisor, and the second one is tomorrow. One more essay to write for my certificate and then that's done.
It's coming into focus a bit and seeming less weird, if that makes sense... still finding my way, and praying for discernment. But I feel supported and that I am going in the right direction.
Can anyone share what their Vocations Advisor meetings were like? Mine is very nice but it just felt a bit like a chat. Is that normal? He gave me "homework" last time, which is what we're going to discuss tomorrow... any guidance v welcome!
(Sorry all "me me me" but just wanted to update.)
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Raptor Eye
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How did it go today, Nanny Plum?
AFAIK each vocations adviser will have his or her own methods, but they are there to help you to explore your calling, not to assess you.
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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My VA meetings were quite different form yours. Whereas meetings (with e.g. my incumbent) before VA meetings had been laid-back and chatty, I found my VA meetings were short (to the point of feeling rushed and abrupt), very to the point and very testing. I didn't really enjoy them!
But, as RaptorEye has said, every VA is different, and I don't think you can read too much into the style of meetings.
I've a question for anyone who's trained residentially with school-age children. What did you do about applying for school places?
We're in the situation where I've deferred starting until September 2017 (due to the birth of our 2nd child) and our elder child is due to start primary school September 2017. I've not yet applied to any colleges, but I think it will likely be Westcott (Cuddesdon and St Steven's are probably 2nd and 3rd choices). By the time the school place application deadline comes round (whenever it is, January or something) we won't know where we'll be living in, say, Cambridge. How do we know where to apply for a school place?!
Has anyone been through this before, and can anyone offer any advice? If anyone's done it specifically in Cambridge that would be amazing!
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I know someone who went to Westcott with school aged children. Youngest started school there, oldest was top end of primary. It sounded as if they were having a wonderful time from the letters back to the parish.
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*Leon*
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iamachristian:
I take it that you'll have applied for colleges and chosen one by January. Cuddesdon may have the major advantage that once you've decided you're going there, you'll know you're living in a particular small village, and can presumably go ahead and apply to the village school (I am fairly sure there is a primary school in the village. If not, you will at least know which set of nearby-ish schools to apply to).
If it's Wescott, I see the problem. I can only suggest talking to relevant college staff and current students with kids and saying 'help'.
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