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Bishops Finger
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Wise words, Huia, and I'm sure you're right about the second anniversary - this time last year, I was only a few months post-surgery, but seemingly making good progress.
This year has seen less progress, so that doesn't help (I always was an impatient wossname).
Hope your own anniversary passes without hassle, and thanks to the rest of you for the {{{hugs}}}s.
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The fifth anniversary of my husband's death was much harder to deal with than the third or fourth. I had to learn to ignore all ideas of how I 'should' feel.
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Bishops Finger
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Over on the Roses etc. thread, Boogie said:
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I do wish depression wasn’t described as a black dog. Black dogs are lovely, friendly and comforting.
Green, ugly slug would be a better description.
A fair point, I think, but I guess we've derived our nomenclature from Mr. Churchill.
I wondered if, perhaps, Black Slug might be a better description of Depression. Black, as in fearsome, and Slug, as in rather horrid, ponderous, and heavy-blobby-looking...
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I also remember from some research years ago that there are folk references to black dogs which seem to have been absorbed into talks of depression. May look them up later in the day.
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Bishops Finger
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That certainly seems to be true.
Maybe we're stuck with Black Dog as well as being stuck with depression.... ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
Apologies to all owners of Good Black Dogs, though.
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Erroneous Monk
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On the subject of anniversaries, it's the third anniversary of my dad's death today. I'm doing OK, but if I could, I would pack up at work now, say the rosary, then have a drink. The first two of those are probably good ideas, the third probably less good...
But I can't call a halt to the day because I've got a hospital appointment this afternoon (annual check-up by the neurologists - lights in my eyes etc etc). Then Mass at 6, and meeting a friend afterwards.
Thinking of you all now, and feeling stronger because of it.
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![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
Enjoy mass, EM. I'm hoping to get to one tomorrow myself. 11:00 in the city if I'm lucky.
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Bishops Finger
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((EM)) - I hope the Mass will Do You Good.
for all whose depression is especially evident at this time of year.
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Fredegund
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Thought it was Guiness that was supposed to be good for you?
Seriously, made it to a service yesterday for the first time in months, and it did help. People, but noone I knew.
Hm... one to ponder before next Sunday.
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Bene Gesserit
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Many thanks to all of you for upholding me in prayer! None of the things I have been anxious about happened, so far at least...
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simontoad
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I had some good news yesterday on the Parkinson's front. The Specialist reckons I have an essential tremor (like all of us) exacerbated by the medication I take for bi-polar. At the moment, the tremor is not too bad, the worst time being that I have to use two hands to take my pint from the bar to the table. No tricks carrying eight pints or something possible.
So, crisis averted ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Bishops Finger
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Good! But watch out for the ALE - too good to spill!
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Ian Climacus
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Good news simontoad.
BG
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all
Well. 35c and sunny. And my mood has plummeted. So much my colleagues noticed and asked about it, as did my new manager - at which point I burst into tears and said I couldn't cope. Almost got through this year. Almost. Oh well. I have support at least. Looking back I can see the signs (withdrawal, irritability, lack of appetite...), but I only notice them after the fact. ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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Horrible, IC. I hope your new manager was supportive.
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Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?" (Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon")
--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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Erroneous Monk
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((IC))
There's something about this time of year. I'm so glad I have this place to come to and all of you to share it with.
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Bishops Finger
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{{Group Hug}}
for all.
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simontoad
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Noticing is the key for me. Often I find an up or a down swing can be checked if I or somebody close to me says "You feeling a bit up today?" I hope you can return to health soon Ian.
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Fredegund
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Hear hear.
Have actually asked colleagues to let me know if I'm going further over the top than usual. doesn't sound good on an advice line.
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simontoad
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Yeah me too. I'm open about my diagnosis, but I understand that's not for everyone.
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Ian Climacus
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Thank you all. Noticing and acknowledging it seems to have helped a little. Also noticed my work quality dipping. So easy to see after the fact.
And, yes jacobsen, my manager was supportive. I am lucky.
Thanks again.
for all
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Looks like you are on the right road Ian. Meet me at the top of the hill mate.
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Golden Key
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On the prayer thread, there was some concern about all the emotional stress people are under, this time of year. I offered a couple of YMMV IMHO ideas. Am pasting them here, just in case they might be useful for someone.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re holidays: They're known to be extremely stressful, because of all the cultural, religious, social, and personal expectations. That stress can cause people to do things they regret later...if they're still around to regret. (Let the reader understand.)
Please take care of yourselves, everyone. Especially those of us who are in already difficult situations, alone, very lonely, left out, angry, mistreated, hopeless, helpless. We all matter--all of us--no matter what.
And it's ok to seek help--counselor, doctor, holiday stress hotline, crisis line.
Oh, and lock up any weapons. Seriously. Just in case.
IMHO, FWIW.
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Ian Climacus
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Good grief. I was out of it last week.
My boss told me in our meeting she was asking questions of me and I was not responding but staring... I don't recall hearing any questions. Now I'm wondering what my colleagues thought. They must think me a nutter...or rude. May talk to them tomorrow.
for all for whom the black dog prowls around at this time. I personally find it rather stressful.
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Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?" (Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon")
--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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I "only" need to survive 7 more hours at work today and then I have 11 days off for insane behaviour. Must avoid drawing attention to the black whatever-it-is - looks like a hyaena today.
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Bishops Finger
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((Ian))
IANAD, but please mention those blank moments to your doctor.
Fredegund, not wishing to spoil your day even more, but something like this?
Not a bad analogy...and I hope you enjoy those 11 days off. Wonderful prospect!
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Fredegund
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Yup, that's exactly it. Does that mean there's more than one out there? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Pure black hyenas are cubs. Interesting what a few minutes googling turns up.
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{{{IC}}}
Fredegund, enjoy your break, preferably sans hyenas.
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simontoad
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((Ian))
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Bishops Finger
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for all with Black Dogs, Slugs, or Hyenas...
Is it just me, or does the world go effing bonkers at This Time Of Year?
for all coping without that effing Holiday Cheer.....
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Ian Climacus
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Definitely not just you BF.
for all.
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Bene Gesserit
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For all here, at/re This Time Of Year
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Ian Climacus
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Happy New Year, all!
May 2018 bring strength, light and joy.
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Ian Climacus
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Not so much depression as anxiety...
For the first time I asked a colleague out for coffee...usually wait to be asked ["Who in their right mind would spend time with me?"] or go on my own. They said Yes. And a good time was had.
Small steps.
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Small, but very positive, steps. Good on you! ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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simontoad
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amen to small steps. I bloody hate [an image or symbol personifying anxiety]. It is a deadly enemy of mine. Oh the stories I could tell of my losing battles with anxiety, especially when I had no idea what was going on. Blind panic.
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Erroneous Monk
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Belated happy new year to you all. I'm feeling OK, but thinking of those who aren't.
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Bishops Finger
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Amen to that.
My own Black Slug (I take other Shipmates' points about cuddly black dogs) is quiescent at the moment, rather like the Weather...
...but for all who find the Black One waking, crawling, and/or growling. Why does January always seem like two months, rather than one?
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I used to think that January felt so long because where I worked in Belfast we were usually paid on the last Thursday of the month, but as the whole place was closed for the week after Christmas, we were paid for December on Christmas Eve, making January at best a five-week month, and at worst a six-week one.
There was also the contrast with December, which was very busy with parties, carol-singing gigs and what-have-you, and all January seemed to offer was going to work and coming home again.
that everyone can keep their Black Dogs well under control.
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Erroneous Monk
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I agree that the interval between pay days is one of the things that makes it feel long. Also I'm married to a tax practitioner, and 31 January is personal tax return deadline in the UK; so the Old Man is working very long days and I hardly see him. OK, so there are pros to that as well as cons.... ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Piglet
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Think of the "pros" - celebratory dinner* at the start of February?
* or whatever your preferred form of celebration
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Erroneous Monk
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That is a good suggestion Piglet.
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Hi, everybody. I think I posted something here once, about a thousand years ago. I'm having difficulties getting off a particular medication that I started taking when I was in a clinical depression research study about three years ago. It really sucks because I was taking this medication along with something else and things were pretty good. I had to stop participating in the study because my wife and I found a low-income apartment across the country and we needed to leave the East Coast (of the U.S.).
Anyway, I have spent the last few years trying unsuccessfully to get weaned off this anti-depressant but it's a Catch-22 sort of thing. A lower dose of the medication makes my anxiety and depression levels go through the roof and makes me have severe panic attacks and unrelenting depression. The full dose works...but it makes me physically sick and causes horrible insomnia. I wish I had never gotten on this medication!
Last night I had a horrible panic attack out in public, in a different city, sixty miles from where I live. Irrational thoughts kept popping into my head and I was sure that God considered me a worthless piece of shite. This anxiety lasted for about thirty minutes and the only thing that kept me from having a public meltdown was the thought that the stupid anti-depressant was in a large part to blame. I prayed and prayed, broke out in a cold sweat, prayed some more and finally, the anxiety faded back to whatever hellhole from which it slithered.
New Year's Resolution: Find a psychiatrist who accepts Medicare (government assistance) and get her/him to put me on another anti-depressant sooner than later. This awful medication is supposed to be weaned out of one's system over a period of several YEARS but I've tried that and I just can't do that again. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Bishops Finger
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O dear.
Yes indeed - sometimes the bl**dy medication is worse than the illness!
Hope you get it sorted out soon.
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I've been signed of sick for the second time in 10 weeks with what's listed as stress... but the symptoms are all anxiety. I've never had this sort of problem before. Or rather I probably have but didn't try to fix it and suffered for years in a previous job because of it. I'm taking medication that seems to do bugger all. I've had friends and family deal with anxiety and depression, but you never know what it's like until it happens to you. It's like my emotions and subconcious just decide to take my brain for a joyride leaving my rational mind tied to the back seat trying to convince it to stop before we crash into a tree. And it hurts.
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{{{5th M. and Arethosemyfeet}}}
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Ian Climacus
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Golden Key
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Blessed Gator, pray for us!
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