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Clarence
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Keep going Lucia. It will come together.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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My nephew, who has Aspergers and so far hasn't been able to keep a job for more than a day or two, started a seasonal holiday job at the post office on Wednesday. He reports that after one day of orientation, everyone was sent home. When he asked the supervisor when he should report for work, he was told, "Maybe tomorrow, maybe the next day, I don't know."

You would think the supervisor would go to orientation with a schedule in hand to pass out to everyone, wouldn't you? But this is the post office, after all.

Pray that they get off their butts and assign him work, and that he can do it and keep the job, and that it segues into a full-time post after the holidays are over.

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Really hoping your nephew heard some positive news back from the post office, Miss Amanda. [Votive]

I have just fired off an application for a job which I wouldn't have contemplated a while ago, but between me and a colleague I appear to have talked myself/been talked into thinking it would be pretty cool. It is with my current employer, fewer hours, same grade, more specialised role (so I'd lose the generalised stuff that give me existential crises, but retain a permanent job, pension, continuity of service, and have the chance to specialise in an area which will be good for my brain and overall job satisfaction). Reducing my hours would mean time to build up my freelance business (which I am still hoping to start next year) whilst still having a bit of security and a bit of money coming in. I think it's a win-win. There is one aspect of the job where I don't have much experience, but my colleague (who used to work in that general area) has persuaded me that I have enough to offer that that shouldn't be a problem. We'll see.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up. A week ago it wouldn't have occurred to me to try for this sort of position. But now I have, I would really like to do well.

Everything crossed (again, sigh).

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Best of luck, JtL! [Smile]

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JtL i [Votive]
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Fingers crossed!

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Lucia

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Husband is currently doing a temporary job which he is not enjoying and is not using his skills but at least it is bringing in some money! But on Friday he has an interview for a job that he really wants, very similar to the role he had before we moved back to the UK in the summer and with an organisation that he would love to work for because the work they are doing really fits with the vision and motivation that took us overseas for ten years.

I feel like I'm holding my breath for this one as I think he'll be very disappointed if he doesn't get it and it's hard to imagine another job coming up that would be such a good fit...

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Lucia's husband [Votive]
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[Votive] indeed.

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Jack the Lass

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Praying for Lucia's husband - what a stressful position to be in [Frown] [Votive]

I have an interview - it's on the 20th. I had an interview at a similar time of year last year, and it went really badly. I didn't click *at all* with anybody in the interview panel, and left it feeling really unsure that I wanted to work with them anyway, so I guess it worked out well (the feeling was obviously mutual!), but hopefully that won't happen this time!

I have to prepare a presentation, which will take half of the interview time! (15 minute presentation, half hour interview). Luckily I don't feel too fazed by that (although I'm used to interview presentations being 5 or 10 minutes, not 15!), but I will need to knuckle down to do that soon.

Ah well - however it goes, at least it is out of the way before Christmas.

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For Lucia's husband in his job interview [Votive]

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Hope it all went well for your husband, Lucia.
JtL good luck for the 20th. I've been to interviews like the one you had last year. Horrible at the time, but as you said, probably good in the long run. Just think of having to work with the people, specially if you have fundamental differences on policy.

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Lucia

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Thanks for the prayers. Interview seemed to go ok but it's hard to really tell. We'll now just have to wait and see.
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Lucia

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Still waiting to hear..... but we know they have asked two of his referees for a reference since the interview so surely that means they are seriously considering him for the job!

[ 13. December 2016, 14:58: Message edited by: Lucia ]

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Jack the Lass

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Oooh, fingers crossed Lucia, that sounds very positive!

I have downloaded quite a lot of articles and bits of legislation and commentary to prepare for my presentation. As with my PhD, I haven't quite yet got to the point of realising that downloading isn't the same as actually reading them and learning something. Sigh.

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Well....husband heard today that he didn't get the job he had the interview for last week. [Waterworks] Apparently they were tossing up between him and one other candidate. We are very disappointed, it would have been really nice to go in to Christmas knowing that he had another job lined up in the new year. As it is his temporary contract finishes in January and we don't know what comes next... sigh... [Frown]
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Sorry to hear that Lucia. Although coming second is always annoying at least he knows that he was a very credible candidate. And you never know it might not pan out with the other candidate.....

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Sorry it didn't work out, Lucia, but as Sarasa says, you never know.

Wishing him better luck next time.

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Jack the Lass

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I'm really sorry to hear that, Lucia. Both TME and I have been in that position before, coming a good second, it's almost more frustrating than coming an obvious nowhere. But, as the others have said, at least it is clear that he is credibly employable. I really hope another opportunity presents itself soon.

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Another thing Lucia is for him to keep a careful eye on that firm for a while. It might just be that a rather similar vacancy comes available in the near future (or maybe one even more suited). Firms will know this is on the horizon and maybe the question who would we think better suited to job Y may have thrown the decision.

I definitely had the feeling when I got my current employment that when I interviewed for another job with my employer a month earlier they had thought "Good candidate but wrong job".

Jengie

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I'm not going to name the university, but I recently applied for a lectureship. Their HR department were very considerate in sending an email apologising that due to unforeseen circumstances short listing was taking longer than expected. Good on them.

Not so good, and why I'm not naming them, the email was copied to several candidates without ensuring the email addresses were not included. Now, should I check out those and see who else is in the running for the job?

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Pigwidgeon

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I'm not going to name the university, but I recently applied for a lectureship. Their HR department were very considerate in sending an email apologising that due to unforeseen circumstances short listing was taking longer than expected. Good on them.

Not so good, and why I'm not naming them, the email was copied to several candidates without ensuring the email addresses were not included. Now, should I check out those and see who else is in the running for the job?

You mean you haven't checked them already?

(Let's just hope that they don't all succumb to some mysterious ailment before the final decision is made.)

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I feel sure that this mystery novel has already been written.

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Jack the Lass

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I'm not going to name the university, but I recently applied for a lectureship. Their HR department were very considerate in sending an email apologising that due to unforeseen circumstances short listing was taking longer than expected. Good on them.

Not so good, and why I'm not naming them, the email was copied to several candidates without ensuring the email addresses were not included. Now, should I check out those and see who else is in the running for the job?

The fact that you haven't checked already proves that you are a better person than me [Smile] Not that I'm saying it would be the right thing to do, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to resist the temptation. I'm also pretty sure that at least some of your email co-recipients will already be checking everyone else out.

I guess it might be a 2 edged sword if you do decide to look. It would give you a confidence boost if you saw that the other candidates were massively less qualified, or had irrelevant publications or experience compared to you. But it could also knock your confidence if you discover several of them are super-experienced, with a high-impact publication list as long as your arm and theirs combined, and years of teaching experience. Only you know how you would react to either of those scenarios and how it might impact on your interview preparation. Of course, with academic jobs, if you are shortlisted then you can assume that everyone else who is shortlisted will have enough relevant experience etc too, but as an initial idea of who else is in the running then finding out could go either way in terms of your confidence.

You probably wouldn't lose any brownie points for emailing the HR dept back (without hitting 'reply all'!) thanking them for being considerate enough to keep you in the loop, but by the way did they realise that they had just revealed all the other applicants to each other. That sounds like a failure of their basic systems, so one they really need to get a grip on and sort out.

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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:

Not so good, and why I'm not naming them, the email was copied to several candidates without ensuring the email addresses were not included. Now, should I check out those and see who else is in the running for the job?

The list of those asked for interview is often common knowledge - candidates are typically invited to give talks which will be advertised around the department. In practice, this means a "local" candidate asked to interview will get advance knowledge of the competition.

Is it helpful to know the competition? I'm not sure, really. I've interviewed for jobs where I've known some of the other candidates, and I didn't think it really made a difference. I was sure I knew how good I was with respect to a couple of the others, because they were people I'd worked closely with in the past. The interview panel hadn't, though, so they might not form the same opinion, or might be looking for some specific detail.

I've also interviewed two candidates who worked in adjacent offices for the same post - it's a fair bet that each knew that the other had applied and was in consideration (we hired one; the other performed stonkingly poorly at interview, and we wouldn't have hired even if the alternative was leaving the post vacant.)

Was this the job for which the advert could cover a fairly wide range of specialisms? IOW, you're not in competition with other people in your field, but with people in vaguely similar fields. Not sure the list of applicants would be much help in that case either, to be honest.

But humans are curious creatures [Devil]

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quote:
Originally posted by Jack the Lass:
... You probably wouldn't lose any brownie points for emailing the HR dept back (without hitting 'reply all'!) thanking them for being considerate enough to keep you in the loop, but by the way did they realise that they had just revealed all the other applicants to each other ...

You might not lose any brownie points, but you might lose somebody their job (or at best get them into deep doggy-doo).

I speak as a not infallible secretary ... [Paranoid]

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My Young Man passed his interview to be a bus driver! All he has to do now is the medical! [Yipee]

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Well done that man!

My life would be severely curtailed without bus drivers. During the times of great shakiness here I think, as a group bus drivers were among the everyday heroes - the kind whose job was made almost impossible by the state of the roads and the unpredictability of route changes, not to mention dealing with passengers in varying degrees of shock, yet most handled it all amazingly well [Overused]

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Congratulations, Eigon the Younger! [Smile]

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Lucia

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New year and a return to the job hunting! Despite fever and coughing I managed to complete an application for a job back where I worked from 1991 to 1998! There are still a couple of people there who I worked with, including the now head of department! Let's hope that works in my favour....
Husband is also completing a new application for another job and has today heard of another possible temp job starting a week after his current one ends. So we will see. Onwards and upwards into 2017! May all of us job hunters find success!

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Best of luck, Lucia! [Smile]

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Lucia

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The job application has resulted in me being invited for an interview next Thursday! Yay! (And HELP! [Help] Haven't had a job interview for many years!)

Oh...but I have to prepare a 5-10 minute presentation for it... and I'm not even quite sure what it's supposed to be about! Well, I've got an idea but I might try and clarify what it is they actually want.

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That's brilliant news, Lucia - very best of luck! [Yipee]

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Good luck for the interview Lucia.

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Fingers crossed!

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Job interview is today! First time I have had a formal job interview in about 25 years! Prayers appreciated!
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I was thinking of you this morning Lucia. I hope it goes/is going/has gone well.

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[Votive] Lucia [Votive]

I had an e-mail the other day from a prof. at the Centre for Music and Arts at the local university, who'd been given my name by a bloke in the choir, asking if I'd be interested in filling in for a partial maternity leave. To be honest, I think the job's a bit above my ceiling of competence, but after discussion with, and much encouragement from, members of the choir, I think I'll write back and say if he hasn't found anyone else I'll give it a go.

It involves scary things like budgets, of which I have no experience, but perhaps with a bit of training and some sympathetic support I might be able to make a go of it, and it would get my foot in the door, as it were.

Hope I'm doing the right thing ... [Eek!]

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Piglet, go for it. I've often found that other people's faith in my abilities is greater than my own.

[edited because I called Piglet, Pigley. No doubt a nice name, but not her own]

[ 14. January 2017, 07:55: Message edited by: Sarasa ]

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Hmmmm ... Pigley ... I quite like that! [Big Grin]

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I was reading my daughter's "Wibbly Pig makes pictures" book to her yesterday, and (re)discovered that Wibbly Pig's toy pig is called Pigley. He's nearly as cute as Piglet [Smile]

I didn't get the job I interviewed for before Christmas, they are going to re-advertise it (advert hasn't appeared as yet). I got very constructive feedback, which has inclined me towards not reapplying (although they were positive and encouraging about me reapplying, and did say if I wanted to reapply to get in touch with them and arrange to spend some time with the team in advance). I don't want to carry on doing what I'm doing long term, but also don't really want to lose my continuous service, so am thinking about asking my boss about the possibility of reducing my hours (which would then give me some time to develop the freelancing side of what I want to do). I know she doesn't want to lose me, but it's a question of what's available, so I might have to go anyway. Either way, hopefully change is afoot here this year!

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Caissa
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Did you get the replacement Piglet?
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Piglet
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I haven't heard back yet - I understand from people who know him well (and someone who once worked for him) that he's, shall we say, a bit disorganised, so it may take some time.

Meanwhile, I've put in an application for another job, which sounds a bit closer to my "skill-set".

We'll see.

I'd appreciate your prayers for my friend K., who at the age of 60 has just been made redundant (from a job she understood to be permanent) in favour of the 20-something whom she trained. She's (understandably) taking legal advice, as it's a clear case of ageism, so I hope her case is favourably heard.

[Votive]

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Welease Woderwick

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quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
Did you get the replacement Piglet?

Are you sure it is a replacement and that they will take away the old one?

[Big Grin]

Sorry Piglet, I just couldn't resist.

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Piglet
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Nobody's irreplaceable - not even* me. [Two face]

* actually that should probably read "especially not".

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Zappa
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It's time I joined this thread. Having been wrongfully dumped from my position ten months ago, and won my case to prove that, I have regained my dignity, and am not out of pocket. But fairly soon the dollars and cents will run out, and so far the sniffs in multiple directions ranging from truck driving to churchy appointments have been a dead end.

As a matter of interest, after sending off an application, at what stage do you follow up with the "what's happening?" approach?

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I don't think I've ever actually followed up like that - most of the jobs I'd be in line for have a caveat saying "only those qualified/being invited for interview will be contacted". In other words, don't call us, we'll call you. It's annoying though (and IMHO extremely rude); if they can send an automatic e-mail acknowledging your application, why can't they send one to the unsuccessful applicants?

I didn't get the job at the university - it wasn't really any surprise as I didn't feel qualified to do it. Having said that, the bloke may keep me in mind if something more suitable turns up.

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Lucia

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I think I have a job!! Finally got a phone call today after my interview two weeks ago. (They warned me I might not hear from them for a couple of weeks!)They want to have me three days a week which would suit me fine. I can't quite believe I'm going to go back and work in the same department where I worked for years before! But it will feel quite different as it has moved to a new building on a new site since I last worked there.

Don't have a start date yet as there is a load of admin to sort out in the department over various posts and they need to follow up references and do DBS check. Hoping the DBS check will not be a problem because of my working overseas. I've applied online for a police records report from Tunisia, where we were living until June last year. But I lived there long enough to have no confidence in the system working efficiently...

I am excited at the prospect of being employed again in my profession after 10 years away... and rather nervous about it too!

In other news my husband's temporary job which was due to end on Monday has just been extended for another month. Phew! We'll have something to pay another month's bills with and more time for him to continue applying for permanent jobs!

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Congratulations!

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Yay Lucia and Mr L! [Yipee]

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