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Curiosity killed ...
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Yuk Smudgie - that doesn't sound good, and I have a lot of sympathy about the struggling to fill in forms around preparation.
Sandemaniac, the bit I enjoy is teaching and creating resources. I really don't enjoy quality control of other people's work and sorting out the mess they make of it, plus then pussy-footing around their feelings when I have to tell them yet again that the stuff is wrong and needs redoing.
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Sandemaniac
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Sandemaniac, the bit I enjoy is teaching and creating resources.
....and I could probably handle teaching if it wasn't for the kids, the parents, the politicians, the hours...
Best of British, Chastmastr, everything is crossed for you!
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Good luck CM! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Sandemaniac
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Hmm, Well, six hours of career coaching later, and I'm still not sure that I'm any further on than I was before - except that the coach knows a lot more about me than they did before.
Anyone any bright ideas about how I can take my skills out of the lab and apply them to something real instead of the soul-eating pit that is research? I'd ask on the shiply scientists thread if it hadn't long since died... wonders, would the All Saints hosts tolerate another one, especially as my interest in it is jobhunting?
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Welease Woderwick
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
... wonders, would the All Saints hosts tolerate another one, especially as my interest in it is jobhunting?
AG
I think so, providing it doesn't meander too much.
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Sandemaniac
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Thanks, Wodders, I'll put my mind to coming up with an appropriate OP.
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Caissa
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Are your skills transferable out of science?
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Sandemaniac
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I wish I knew! Apparently science gives you lots of the things - eg here, you'll have to scroll down a bit but even if I do I haven't a clue what to transfer them to.
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Caissa
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Usually it is helpful to do an assessment of your soft skills. For example, I have an MA in history and went ABD on my doctorate as well as having a B.Ed. With this combination of degrees I have spent the last 20 years working in university student services. I was hired and retained on the basis of my soft-skills ex. attention to detail, writing skills, oral communication skills, critical thinking etc.
These are all soft-skills that I developed in my degrees but are not exactly the content of my degrees.
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Sandemaniac
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Is there any way of tying them in to specific roles, or is that a case of wangling it according to the job ad? I'm kind of reaching the point where I'm thinking if I can't get a similar salary to do something close to what I am, I might just say "Fuck it!" and find something good for the soul instead. I know at least one brewer...
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You should tie them to roles you have fulfilled before and the skills being requested in the job ads.
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Sandemaniac, is there anyway you could build up a portfolio of different earning roles? I've begun to explore this, and while each of the items in my portfolio at the moment doesn't bring vast sums in it is beginning to add up slowly.
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Sandemaniac
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I'll think about an answer later, daisydaisy, as I'm about to dash, but ever get the feeling LinkedIn is taking the piss out of you? It's just suggested I congratulate one of my contacts for getting a a new job - on the checkout at Waitrose!
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Oh well, I have been rejected by both jobs I applied for but a friend with more experience of job-hunting has tweaked my CV for me. If I had some idea of what I wanted to do (beyond earn money), it would help...
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Much to my relief, I've gotten a job offer today. I still have an interview with a second company tomorrow although I will probably have to decide if I take the first job before I can finish with the second company.
Once more into the breach...
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Palimpsest
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Sandemaniac
Linked-in hasn't been very helpful. I paid for a subscription so I could track salaries and I get this incredibly annoying newsletter from them full of depressed people complaining about not finding jobs.
Would any of your lab work be helpful in a Brewery? Do they have chemists or are the small ones mostly craft based?
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Sandemaniac
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Several points to respond to, I'll try to take them in order...
The problem with doing lots of other things to raise money is what (see also my general career problem!)? I'm not qualified to do anything else, and I don't have hobbies that could easily be transformed into earners - gardening takes a lot more time when you have to, and perhaps I could do a bit of local/family history for people on a contract basis, but you need to be able to deliver the results, and my expertise is well behind the times, and mostly in a county that's two hours away. Maybe minimum wags sh*t shovelling...
Joanna P, you have my sympathy! I wish I could offer helpful suggestions but, as you've probably spotted, I'm in the same boat.
Bravo Palimpsest, hope one of them turns out what you want/need. I have to confess that I've not found LinkedIn hugely helpful either - it's better than it was when it was spam central, but there's so much extraneous junk on it. Plus I've yet to make a contact that's actually helped me get a job via it. I have to say that I think it's highly overrated (though closed groups can be good if you need a blart).
As for the brewing... Well, it's mostly following process, so it probably would, and I'd be far more interested in the craft side anyway than the industrial scale stuff. The biggest brewery for miles is Hook Norton, whose lab consists of broom cupboard with half a dozen bottles in. Mind you, once the clocks change I will be spending much more time in the University Club, where a local brewer hangs out - I wonder if he knows anyone who'd take me on for a few days experience? Happy to wield a shovel for a few days, and if I can do it on annual leave...
Wildly out of order, good luck to Chastmastr, and thanks, Caissa. Of course, I have to find the job to point them at first...
Incidentally, cracking example of a badly written job ad in my daily email from New Scientist jobs - the tasks and the requirements don't match up, the tautologous "highly ESSENTIAL" requirement is third on the list, it's all a mucking fuddle.
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Another online application - more guesswork. I had to fill in the exact date I became a member of a professional body - well, I know it was 1988, but that's not good enough. So I've put 1 Aug, but that's an entirely random date. I have bugger all idea when in 1988 I joined.
Online forms - I hates them. I especially hates them when they underline that I am old, and that the other people filling them in will be able to remember such details because for them it was less than 27 years ago.
Bah, humbug.
Fortunately this one only wants to know which school subjects I passed in 1980 / 1981 / 1982 - it doesn't ask for actual grades, so I'm not filling in a random assortment of As and Bs, with no clue as to accuracy. I know I got Cs in Art and Chemistry, but the rest? I know that they were all As or Bs, but which?
There's only one requirement for this job, and I haven't got it, so is there even any point in applying? I have no idea.
Bah, humbug.
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I have a trial day at a school tomorrow.
It's a bit too far of a drive, and it's definitely a role which is out of my comfort zone - as part of the trial day I have to deliver a 20 minute lesson to eight teeny-tinies with profound and multiple learning difficulties. I don't even know whether what I have prepared is half way appropriate for them.
Needless to say, I am incredibly nervous.
I won't know whether I want it or not until I get there. It's only short term, in the first instance, and daily pay with nothing through the school holidays. But then, I can't keep turning things down just because they're not perfect when I've got the rent to pay.
Please think of me tomorrow. I need all the positive vibes and prayers I can get.
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Hope it goes well, Smudgie. Will be praying.
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Prayers for tomorrow Smudgie. Hope it's a good thing for the time being, until something brilliant closer to home turns up.
Prayers for all other job seekers too.
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Sandemaniac
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![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) smudgie. And good luck, NEQ.
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for Smudgie - hope it goes well.
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Welease Woderwick
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Amen to all that.
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Best of love and many prayers for you, Smudgie. I bet all the kiddies will love you, even if just for twenty minutes. Do they have any say in the hiring process?
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Smudgie
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That was a short sojourn on the jobhunting thread ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ... though I may well be rejoining in July, depending on whether the teacher I'm covering comes back from sick leave or resigns.
I am going to need to be really disciplined with my pay seeing as it's daily pay and nothing during the holidays.
Lots of prayers and good wishes for the rest of you in your job hunting.
[ 23. March 2015, 16:26: Message edited by: Smudgie ]
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That's good news Smudgie . It gives you a bit of time to see if ther is anything out there next term that you fancy more.
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Sandemaniac
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Well done, Smudgie! (goes off and quietly turns green in a corner).
I had a very odd phone call at about 5.15. It was a chap from an agency that I couldn't quite make out the name of*, and was trying to find someone to fill a Stores Manager position... but it couldn't be someone from Well Known Dark Blue University! So why ask me, who still works for WKDBU? Why find me - turns out he was trying things with Google, I'd got manager and stores on my CV, and it turns out to be a company specialising in property management roles.
Hmm, do I bother answering his connection request on LinkedIn, I wonder? Still, I suppose it does prove that someone occasionally finds my CV online...
AG
*luckily I didn't ask the chap's surname - he may well be of Nigerian descent, so I'd never have been able to spell it.
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Sandemaniac
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*Beware - inchoate sweary rant*
Having spent some time trundling round the job ads (and indulging in displacement activities) this evening, once again I really do wonder why the fuck I bother. There's a few more-of-the-same jobs in the university, a few jobs outside that seem to want people with one or two years experience (at least five of which must be industry), and absolutely fuck all in between. I guess I have to wave my CV at a few to see if I can get any bites, but the frustration of even trying to work out what is worthwhile trying for just does my head in.
To rub it in, the Knotweed's sister-in-law finished one job on Friday and started another today, having had three offers.
Oh, and there's the entirely bizarre approach related above.
How the fuck do I break the ever-decreasing circle?
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As I've said elsewhere, I've found a new job starting in May. Thank your for your prayers and support.
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Smudgie and LeRoc - congratulations! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Sandemaniac - continuing.
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Curiosity killed ...
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Congratulations Smudgie - that's brilliant news. What about marking over the summer to bridge the gap a bit? The exam boards are advertising now (I keep getting the adverts sent to me). (And ticket offers are still open if you're available.)
Sandemaniac, one of the PhD's I knew at uni went on to an assistant brewer role at one of the small but well known breweries in Henley, but I can't find him doing a search. His PhD was in fungi - always had a good supply of mushrooms. (I can't find him, but I can find that he married his girlfriend, who was on my course, and his eldest daughter went on to study Chemistry at the same uni ...).
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Sandemaniac
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Sandemaniac, one of the PhD's I knew at uni went on to an assistant brewer role at one of the small but well known breweries in Henley, but I can't find him doing a search.
Pity, he'd have been a useful contact to make. More use than someone recruiting property managers, anyway!
What worried me is that my previous efforts at change have all proven worthless (careerwise, at least), if this one goes nowhere I have nowt on the table.
Oh, and departmental admin have fallen even further in my opinion. Been wondering why I hadn't got the pensions scheme letter everyone else had. Turns out it was delivered to admin, who decided I didn't work for them, and sent it on to another department. FFS! Mind you, I'd probably be worse, because when I don't care it really, really shows in what I'm doing.
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Sandemaniac
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Well now, here's a surprise. Despite being told
"The Career Day is aimed at anyone with a research background, so that includes students, technicians, RAs and postdocs."
the departmental Career Day turns out to be a bunch of academics (and one mug teacher) talking.
What a load of bullshit. I really wonder how come academia has yet to disappear up its own arse.
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Sandemaniac
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Well, after all that carping, I have finally got my arse in gear and actually applied for a job. It's in a local biotech where I have a contact who has promised he'll push my CV forwards if I send it in (good bloke, also once sorted out my grip on a cricket bat - anyone who helps me get a grip...)
Wish me luck, I need it...
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
... Wish me luck, I need it...
(Sorry for shouting, but):
GOOD LUCK SANDEMANIAC!
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Good luck, Sandemaniac..... we're behind you all the way.
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Sandemaniac
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If only to get me off this thread, and stop me making the place so messy! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
No, really, I do appreciate the wishes. Thank you all. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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Caissa
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Hope it goes well.
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Didn't get a job for which I was I terviewed. I realise I am in the fortunate position of having one already, but I'd like a change...of location if not of actual job.
I suspect it is ian inbuilt character flaw that keeps stuffing me. Sod.
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Now that Rosa Galica Officianalis has been appointed Vicar it is my turn to look for a job.
I am an architectural technician and I have been with my current employer for 22 years, and I need a change. I have CVs out to everyone within 20 miles of Welshpool (near where we will be) and I have managed to secure an informal chat with a Landscape Practice who use Vectorworks (my favoured type of CAD) next Monday. So thoughts and/or prayers would be gratefully received.
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I start a new job Monday!
After bouncing around for a few months, I had a set of interviews with a very small nice company. After that, I went to an open house for a rapidly growing company that had taken my resume and not gotten back to me twice. I got a job offer from the small company the day before the phone interview for the large company and had to tell them that I wouldn't be able to wait around for weeks as I had in the past.
As a friend said, once they know another girl is interested they all want you. The recruiter emailed me on Monday, I did a 6 hour interview loop Tuesday, they told me they'd make an offer Wednesday and I got it Thursday. It has some rich and famous contract bonuses (fine print:if the stock continues to do well)
So I took the large company offer for crass cash reasons. I did reject the other company very nicely, so I might be about to go back there. Now I have to once more face the stress of the daily grind. It's a lot harder with a bad hip. But we shall see. If nothing else, my post count here should diminish.
Good look to all the others here who are plugging away at it!
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Sandemaniac
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Well done, Palimpsest! About time we had some good news around here!
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Congratulations Palimpsest, and all the best.
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