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Oh Arabella. I met John and Shirley once about 30 years ago when they hosted an SCM meeting. He challenged the insular views of the Victoria University group (which at that time had some very conservative members). I also remember walking along The Terrace on the way to University just so I could read whatever St Andrews had on the noticeboard which was often a theological or social justice challenge.
A great loss, but as with all totara the seedlings will be sprouting for many years to come.
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I did so want to go to John's funeral but my body was setting out to have a very painful day and I was stuck at home.
I spent a lot of time with John and Shirley when he was University Chaplain; I flatted nearby and we were involved with some inter-denominational youth thing. It was John who married us and Shirley was my matron of honour, which the boys explained was an elderly bridesmaid.
I have not seen them often since they've lived up the coast, but I'm so glad I was able to talk with them last month. Several times in the last few months word had gone round that John was about to leave us. I'd checked with Shirley to be sure it was an okay time, and John came out and talked for half an hour.
So I'll remember him very frail but with a spark left of the old fire.
As for Shirley, it gave me such joy on my farewell visit to Iona in 2011 to worship at the Abbey and sing her hymns there. They were also in the UCC church hymnbook when I visited there.
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UCC United Church of Canada, for any who didn't know. Should have written 'when I visited Canada'.
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They are in the Anglican and the Evangelical Lutheran hymnals in Canada as well.
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Love the bits of Shirley Murray's work that I've come across. Didn't know about John...will have to explore!
May he rest in peace and rise in glory, and may he and all the saints continue to pray for us. Our world sure needs it.
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GG, it was the most wonderful occasion for catching up with people. Shirley said to me that she was really enjoying seeing everyone, even while she was sad. The funeral itself set up an expectation that people would talk afterwards, and talk they did.
Huia, I love the idea of the totara seedlings! Specially as I've spent the afternoon rooting out various seedlings so the forest doesn't overtake the garden (not totara, fortunately).
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I thought of it because it reminded me of when I travelled to the Coast with people from the church the first time. There was a fallen tree in a clearing and I was overwhelmed by the lichens, mosses, ponga and other tree seedlings that were growing from it. I remember thinking it was a vivid illustration of life in all its fullness.
Photos couldn't do it justice.
Then I thought about people like John and how they spark off growth in others. I know there have been, and still are people who do that in my life, and I am richer for having known them.
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Huia, there was a time when if you went into the bush you looked for a little bit of fallen moss-covered branch to take home and keep damp with a water spray, and all sorts of things might grow out of it – moss, little ferns, seedlings.
Now it's strictly forbidden – what falls must be left to continue the cycle of growth and decay.
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Not quite on the same scale because of the drier climate, but the plants that sprang up after demolished building were cleared following the quakes were fascinating. There were research projects, which may be ongoing studying the plants and the succession of their appearance, which in themselves are another kind of flowering.
I know there are theories about entrophy, but sometimes it's the relentlessness of the life force that astounds me.
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Thanks Loth - like my mother, I always enjoy every birthday that comes along, knowing that I am younger than I ever will be again! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Happy Birthday BL!
And thanks for the early wishes...still a month and a bit to go though. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Wonderful memories and descriptions Arabella, Huia and GG. Memory eternal John!
Two weeks til holidays: hurrah! My manager had what seems to be an annual chat with me about management aspirations...of which I have none, but he thinks I should consider it at least. May surprise him and answer "Yes". Can't hurt to learn new skills.
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BL, Happy Birthday from us as well.
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Thanks Loth - like my mother, I always enjoy every birthday that comes along, knowing that I am younger than I ever will be again!
That's a gem Banner Lady ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) and best wishes for your birthday and the coming year.
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A great loss, but as with all totara the seedlings will be sprouting for many years to come.
Me, for example
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Lovely time yesterday; lunch with my Aged P and TP, chocolates, flowers, good wishes from far and near... and then a beautiful antique brass mirror came my way. Though I really don't know who the matronly old broad looking out of it is,,,,, ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
If we both make it to next year, I will be 60 and Mum will be 100. Oy vei.
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Many happy returns, BL!
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And my sister will be 70 and TP's mum 80. I suspect serial partying will be done. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Many happy returns, Banner Lady! Nothing like shared birthdays.
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Yesterday we staked out a rose garden for our front yard. It has taken him 60 years, but TP is finally developing a liking for flowers. That, and being given a dozen rose bushes from someone who moved into a house and didn't want them!
I suspect it will be an interesting learning curve.
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A late Happy Birthday, Banner Lady.
I am reading Tim Winton's The Boy Behind The Curtain.
I have just finished reading the chapter Twice on Sundays which resonated with me even though my child and adolescent church experience were different (but similar in some ways). Especially the last paragraph. quote:
I remain a believer and even a churchgoer, though I am in more than one sense irregular. Church was my village, but I doubt I'll ever be truly at ease there again. All the same, on a Sunday evening, wherever I am, I feel that tidal pull, the old melancholy descends, and it's as homely and as unsettling as the smell of the sea.
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As you might imagine, following the events of the last few years, there are some resonances for me in Winton's experience. I'm undecided as to whether I'll ever operate in a stipended role again ... though I am drifting back from time to time to my little Māori faith community who have exercised so much arohanui (great love) to Kuruman and me these past twelve months.
And that, I remind myself, is where God is. Amongst other place (like a Queensland waterfall three weeks ago, or the central NSW sunrise a week before that).
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Our congregation has joined with the local Anglicans to have a six-week Alpha Prayer Course.
I escaped and went to a nearby suburb where the minister and her husband, our Lay Supply, are showing a Living the Questions series of John Dominic Crossan based on his book 'How to Read the Bible and still be a Christian'.
At my age I don't want Alpha to 'deepen my prayer life'. I can go into my garden (or anywhere, but that's a nice place to be) , surround myself with the presence of God, and remember all those who I would want to know that Presence in their turbulent life.
Maybe I've said it before, but Zappa's post made me remember he too is covered by the cloak of the atua tapu..
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Zappa
I think many find resonances. The majority of my friends who were in churches or the Christian Counter culture in the 70s retain the ethics but not the religion, and the others who remained are mostly participating for the practice despite the problem with some of the content of services.
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GG I did a Living the Questions course and got a lot out of it. I think it's been updated since then, and would be open to doing another if it was offered somewhere in Christchurch.
For Lent I'm doing a Retreat/ reflection course centred in the CBD in Christchurch. The Minister who retired from out church was offered a job as an inner city chaplain by Durham St Methodist church. He has written a set of Lenten reflections on the inner city and will be using this.
Zappa, my prayer life is somewhat sporadic, ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) but I am remembering you.
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Zappa, did you get to the Franciscans at Stroud for a retreat? As a bonus, I think you may find the new rector at St John's very congenial. We knew him in another life.
And talking of lives, another significant day - my father's 101st birthday and we'll be having a large gathering for a simple meal at my elder sister's this evening. Just family, but that does include parents-in-law. Given that he was born late in the evening, he is of course called David.
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Swallowing my pride. I have always said I would stay and fight for integrity from within. I no longer have the strength (as it happens I have just pulled out of conversations regarding what would have been an exciting appointment ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif) ... I think I'm over any appointments, exciting or otherwise ![[Frown]](frown.gif) )
You have been through an extremely traumatic experience, and recovery will take as long as it takes. Meanwhile, be kind to yourself and don't feel you 'should' do this or that.
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Thank you Lothlorien. We did not celebrate his birthday last year as may have been expected. He was very seriously ill with a bad prognosis. We made up for it last night.
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Yes, we are already thinking of the best way of getting my Aged P through what is predicted to be a dry autumn followed by a colder than usual winter. Funnily enough it is usually at the change into autumn and spring that the older ones seem to struggle most.
My mother seems to have lost the ability to dress appropriately for the weather. On cool days she will be in short sleeves and on hot ones in long sleeves with a jacket on. She is too frail to wear many layers, and is becoming increasingly vague about days and dates...but apart from that can still look after herself reasonably well.
Glad your Dad bounced back for the celebration Gee D. Their ability to rally is amazing! Some tough genes in there...
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Happy birthday to your dad, Gee D.
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Yes, we are already thinking of the best way of getting my Aged P through what is predicted to be a dry autumn followed by a colder than usual winter. Funnily enough it is usually at the change into autumn and spring that the older ones seem to struggle most.
My mother seems to have lost the ability to dress appropriately for the weather. On cool days she will be in short sleeves and on hot ones in long sleeves with a jacket on. She is too frail to wear many layers, and is becoming increasingly vague about days and dates...but apart from that can still look after herself reasonably well.
Glad your Dad bounced back for the celebration Gee D. Their ability to rally is amazing! Some tough genes in there...
BL, this seems to me to be one of the first abilities to go. Dad was the same and my friend with dementia is firmly convinced of the relationship between clouds and temperature.
Grey clouds mean it is cold and like your mum, multiple layers go on, regardless of actual temperature.
He had a bad day yesterday as pharmacist forced Doctor's visit which he ws not expecting and which was therefore out of his control.. I think the problem was that script had finished its series of repeats and needed replacing. He can't undertnd that. He blames doctor nd pharmacy for the resulting mess. Hei is good at shifting blame. He is happy we are pleased with his ability to manage medication. Take away the Webster pack,and the ability goes with it. he did not know what the medication was and seems to think there is new one.
Total mess late afternoon. I hope he managed to get a frozen meal heated. He certainly needed it.
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Thank you all for your messages. In February 16, we were very doubtful that he'd make his century and even though he did, he was far too ill for any partying. This year was a different story - and the extra year meant that the great-grandchildren were able to be there, a source of great pleasure for him.
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Belated Happy Birthday Pater Gee D!
And I can sympathise with the communing with nature Zappa. I read through the last thread to see what had happened -- sorry for all you went through, and ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) s for the future.
s to for those with aged relatives.
A warm start to March here... Uni students back on campus, so the place feels a bit more alive. Even if I now have to wait longer for my coffee.
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World Day of Prayer service this evening. This year's service was prepared by women of the Philippines, and behold! of the four congregations present, Presbyterian, Anglican and Catholic, this last congregation has a big flock of Philippinos, who turned out in force, and contributed their share of the service. Well, what could we do? as one of them said at supper, a very happy gathering after worship. The biggest turnout I've seen at a WDP service. And what a pretty flock of young women in their sparkling colourful dresses!
So did anyone else out there join in the World Day of Prayer?
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Well, it's not yet 9 am in the UK!
But I'm afraid I'm not going, although the service will be at our local A-C church which I know well. I have a funeral to conduct instead.
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The word for Sydney today is not soggy but sodden. A week of rain followed by more rain will do that. Storm water canal near me down to the river is running a banker after non stop overnight rain and heavy rain this morning.
The rain is much needed after multiple 40+ days of heat but time for a break.
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Goldstone was shown at our local film society last night. Despite some inadequacies it was a moving and sometimes uncomfortable film. David Gulpilil, David Wenham, and Jacki Weaver.
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It is a film I want to see. Jacki Weaver seems to get better and better in each role I've seen her in.
Thanks to Lothlorien I heard Fr Rod Bower, he of the most famous billboard in Australian Christendom, preach at the local Anglian church this morning. A challenging message on values over structures. They seem to attract speakers, esp. during Lent when they have guest speakers - the Human Right's Commissioner at Evensong tonight, our local member [of the Gold Coast apartment expenses] next week...Julian Burnside some weeks later...
A warm day down here. I await autumn making its appearance.
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Disaster struck this morning. My burr grinder, an integral part of my Breville coffee machine stopped grinding halfway through amount needed. I dug out my separate grinder and was able to have coffee, although not upto my preferred standard.
I suspected a jam of beans in burrs, thinking it was a long time since that had been done. Machine was too high for me to see into properly, Iam definitely not tall. Finally took my torch and I could see the jam. I had to use my mother's old vegetable paring knife with a pointyend to dislodge beans. Knife is probably fifty years old, not the oldest I have, but it did the job.
Re-assembled everything and it works. The jammed beans were old and dry. I usually have coffee only once in day,, but look forward to cup with breakfast. Mum's knife to the rescue.
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A great autumn day here, starting with walking Dog and now getting ready for dinner. Already the smell of bbqs from neighbours, and I'm about to put a leg of lamb onto ours, as we're having friends over. Bbq lamb, some salads Madame has made, and a bottle or 2 of red - just the night for it.
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Certainly just the night. I have had the place wide open, but have closed up a bit sincethe cool breeze arrived.Fish tonight, lamb steaks tomorrow. I see southern Highlands have forecast of 11 overnight. After some of our overnight temps, that will be a pleasant change.am just having some red before dinner, more to follow.
(I do know red with red meats, white wine with fish. Thisislight and was opened already.just me here unless I have visitors.)
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Definitely moving into autumn here - today's high is forecast at a whopping 11c ( I remember my late Father visiting once and saying rather sarcastically that the temperature "Galloped all the way up to 11c" ),
I'm a wee bit stiff this morning. The friend who mows my lawn killed all the weeds in the 25mx 300mm strip along my driveway and I'm grubbing out the remains, with the intention of digging out some soil, laying black plastic and covering the area with shingle. Yesterday I got halfway before the rain started, which was lucky because otherwise I would have kept going and been even stiffer. I finished the day with a bath using the last of my arnica bath salts. I'm never sure whether they really make a difference, or whether it's the placebo effect, but it works so I don't question it too deeply
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Off this avo to the Aged Care Facility where Mum lives to do some redecorating. Staff are scurrying about because there is a deposition arriving from Sydney on Tuesday re accreditation.
One of the pushes is to get more bright colours around...simply done with pictures and flowers, but it all takes time. Yesterday I took some wedding flowers up there from the church. (No flowers in church during Lent). And these were gratefully received - a change from funeral flowers anyway.
It is kind of fun to be given carte blanche to decorate four whole wings of a building, even if it all has to be done with whatever is to hand. Life is always full of interesting challenges!
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... Already the smell of bbqs from neighbours, and I'm about to put a leg of lamb onto ours, and a bottle or 2 of red ...
I'll be right over.
eta: Loth, there's no reason why you shouldn't drink red wine with fish. Although I once had an unfortunate pairing of salmon with red wine which resulted in each making the other taste of iron-filings, I understand there are some lighter-weight reds which pair very nicely with more robustly-flavoured fish dishes.
In any event, you should drink whatever appeals to you - never mind what the experts and wine-snobs say.
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