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(Reply to SPK)

I kind of liked the old name, but apparently nobody outside the practice of law had any idea what it actually meant.

There are a number of replacement names being floated including Law Society of Ontario.

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This is the first that I've heard of this. Is there a source I can read about LSUC's identity change? That's a shame. What's the rationale? To what good end? What are the candidate names?

So what if no one outside the profession knew what it meant? The general public had little reason to know, and it's not as though it was a strategy for LSUC to hide in plain sight.

Baaaah!

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If it is in Ontario, then using the word Ontario seems entirely appropriate. We have all sorts of anachronisms in Canada. It's okay to make these understandable. I see Ontario dispensed with QC designations, other provinces have not all followed suit. I take it is sort of like lawyer sainthood.

On other news, in Qu'Appelle there were hurricane force winds overnight. Still many power outages and lots of damage. Qu'Appelle being anachronistic for southern Saskatchewan and the name of the Anglican diocese.

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Many of us in the Maritimes still refer to Ontario as Upper Canada.
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We call Ontario "eastern Canada".

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Which annoys Atlantic Canadians a great deal.
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We say Maritimes,for, I'm afraid, the three maritime provinces and Newfoundland all lumped together. And no-one ever says "Newfoundland and Labrador". I do have a niece who lives in Freddy, which I understand from her may be local parlance for Fredricton.

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"The Maritimes" refers to NS, NB and PEI. To include N&L, one uses "The Atlantic Provinces".

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As someone who's lived in Newfoundland and New Brunswick, my understanding of the Maritimes is what Sharkshooter said (although I suppose being an island makes Newfoundland quite "maritime").

As a foreigner, though, I'm a bit sketchy about what exactly is meant by "Upper Canada" and would be grateful for enlightenment.

I agree with Caissa about "Eastern Canada" referring to Ontario - there's at least 1,000 miles of Canada further east than that! It's a bit like when an Orcadian hears people referring to Aberdeen or Inverness as "north" when they're plainly south ... [Devil]

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Upper Canada is the former name for Ontario, from 1791 to 1841. As lawyers are the world's second oldest profession, they have little need to take note of trivial details like Confederation.

Upper Canada became Canada West in the unhappy Province of Canada in 1941, and became Ontario in 1867.

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Upper Canada is the former name for Ontario, from 1791 to 1841. As lawyers are the world's second oldest profession, they have little need to take note of trivial details like Confederation.

Upper Canada became Canada West in the unhappy Province of Canada in 1941, and became Ontario in 1867.

Curiously enough, they haven't decided what to call the law society. Perhaps, as with a certain Minnesotan musician, it will be known as the Law Society formerly associated with Upper Canada. This article provides further information for the curious. It seems that the Star's legendarily bolshevik readership opposed the change 69% over 30%.

One of my Algonquin contacts naughtily referred to this as yet another bold and agonizing step toward reconciliation characterized by irrelevance. I couldn't possibly comment.

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Like my sig says. I'm in the province of Buffalo. Damn Wilfred Laurier! No "sir" though = anachronism.

The centre of the country geographically is somewhere near Brandon, Manitoba. It's all perspective isn't it? I'm reminded of the Christmas carol "People Look East" and the wiseacre who piped up with can't we look west?

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The Star? Bolshie? [Killing me]

I'm the president of an NDP Riding Association, the Star doesn't even move the needle on the meter.

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The Star? Bolshie? [Killing me]

I'm the president of an NDP Riding Association, the Star doesn't even move the needle on the meter.

I simply quote a statement by a former staff member in the office of the Hon James Moore, onetime (Conservative) Minister of Canadian Heritage. His febrile tones underlined his sense of conviction on this.
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Are the NDP in Ontario the same genus but different species than they are in Sask and Alberta? They resemble Liberals here. And the BC Liberals are actually Conservatives says my kid who lives there.

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Tangentially on things anachronistic, I took advantage of the glorious weather yesterday afternoon to clear my head after a difficult number of days by taking a stroll through the cemetery of St James-the-Less, and on my desultory path happened upon the crypts of Gzowski, Jarvis, the grave of Howland, etc., as well as a Macedonian section. Very Canadian.

I have to agree with SPK's the assessment of The Star as "bolshie" - it's typical, hank-wringing mushy what-passes-for-left. That said, I am surprised that such a large proportion of the readership would oppose the name change for the LSUC. I like the creeky, musty air of it. I wallow in it when I have lunch at Osgoode Hall. (Which I recommend to all - open to the public with a reservation, very nice room, and the food is quite good. Lunch only.)

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Are the NDP in Ontario the same genus but different species than they are in Sask and Alberta?

The short answer is yes.

I'm smiling at the remarks about the Toronto Star. The most outrageous capitalist I ever knew personally - the kind of person who thinks he's hard done by because it's illegal to horsewhip his employees - referred to the Star as "that communist newspaper" with a tone of utter contempt.

However, I'm here to complain about Mother Corporation's ceaseless grinding of the bones of Gord Downie to make her bread. Seriously. Why, CBC?? I mean, he was a talented guy, but the amount of airtime and hype would embarrass the Kardashians. All programming cancelled for two hours of Tragically Hip music? The evening news beginning with the sombre intonation, "Gord Downie is dead. The nation swells with grief and gratitude..." Even the sports reporter must have been directed to find some link, which turned out to be "uh... hockey is as Canadian as the music of Gord Downie... uh...?" It turns out that in spite of all the airtime devoted to him today as well, he's still dead.

If you are reading this and you are a loved one or fan of Mr. Downie, note that he has my respect. But some Vice President at CBC needs a big dose of perspective.

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As a foreigner, though, I'm a bit sketchy about what exactly is meant by "Upper Canada" and would be grateful for enlightenment.

I agree with Caissa about "Eastern Canada" referring to Ontario - there's at least 1,000 miles of Canada further east than that! ...

I think the early explorers thought they were travelling north when they went inland, so Quebec was Lower Canada and Ontario was Upper Canada.

Ontario and Quebec are now often referred to as Central Canada. I have never heard of Ontario being called Eastern Canada - but then, I've never lived west of the Ontario/Manitoba border.

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No Prophet wrote:

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And the BC Liberals are actually Conservatives says my kid who lives there.

Yes, they are not just right-leaning pro-business Liberals, in the manner of, say, John Turner. They are actually the re-grouping of the old Social Credit party and its electoral base.

In their throne speech a while back, the BC Liberals actually attacked successive Alberta governments from the right, including the claim that the NDP's carbon-tax is bad for the economy.

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Leaf wrote:

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However, I'm here to complain about Mother Corporation's ceaseless grinding of the bones of Gord Downie to make her bread. Seriously. Why, CBC?? I mean, he was a talented guy, but the amount of airtime and hype would embarrass the Kardashians. All programming cancelled for two hours of Tragically Hip music? The evening news beginning with the sombre intonation, "Gord Downie is dead. The nation swells with grief and gratitude..." Even the sports reporter must have been directed to find some link, which turned out to be "uh... hockey is as Canadian as the music of Gord Downie... uh...?" It turns out that in spite of all the airtime devoted to him today as well, he's still dead.

I think CBC's mandate(official or otherwise) to promote Canadian culture leads to a certain amount of bandwagon jumping. If something has managed to get itself talked up as "typically Canadian", CBC jumps in and tries to lead the parade.

Since his medical diagnosis a while back, Downie has sort of been the Canadiana flavour-of-the-month. So, CBC's right on it.

And the hockey parallel is a little off-base, since his lyrics about hockey(the iconic '72 Russia match no less) in Fireworks are actually quite dismissive. But, probably a lot of people just read it as "The Hip!! Singing about hockey!! What could be more Canadian!!"

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quote:
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... I have never heard of Ontario being called Eastern Canada ...

Isn't their time zone called Eastern?

I think it was on the Weather Channel that I heard them referring to parts of Ontario as "eastern Canada" and thought, "really???"

[Big Grin]

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I think the early explorers thought they were travelling north when they went inland, so Quebec was Lower Canada and Ontario was Upper Canada.

How did these "explorers" ever find their way if they didn't know the sun rises in the east and sets in the west? Or by "upper" did they perhaps mean "upstream" on the Saint Lawrence River?

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They did.

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In Ireland, the terms 'upper' and 'lower' refer to proximity to Dublin. Thus Lower Ballinderry is a bit closer to Dublin than Upper Ballinderry.

That type of naming system may also have been adopted in Canada, although I can't suggest what the Canadian reference point might have been.

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Having grown up on the west coast, I can confirm that we refer to everything east of Winnipeg as 'Eastern Canada'.

Until you've had the opportunity to drive from the Pacific to the Atlantic or vice versa, it's hard to fathom just how wide the country actually is!

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... it's hard to fathom just how wide the country actually is!

When we were leaving Belfast to move to Newfoundland, a friend's mother (who was then in the early stages of Alzheimer's) said, "you're moving to Canada - you must get in touch with Jack [her twin brother] - he lives in Vancouver". I don't think we ever quite managed to make her understand that we'd actually be further from Jack than we were from her.

It's a big country. [Smile]

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As a youngster I was puzzled over the Lower and Upper Canada descriptors as, looking at a map, Lower Canada was above Upper Canada. Miss Stewart, who could teach Responsible Government to a brick wall (and, given some of my classmates...) told me that it was because Tadoussac, Québec, Trois Rivières etc, were lowest in elevation from the height of land, and the Saint Lawrence River beyond Montréal was upper in elevation, and heading toward the height of land.

Given that Canada was, until recent times, approached from the Atlantic Ocean, this had a certain archaic logic to it.

As far as the Star is concerned, I can also quote Tommy Douglas from my cafeteria lunch with him a mere 35 years ago, who mentioned inter alia that "the Star was always a fair paper," even if he liked the (now extinct) Telegraph better. The Globe he dismissed as written by and for the people who thought they ran the country.

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I think the early explorers thought they were travelling north when they went inland, so Quebec was Lower Canada and Ontario was Upper Canada.

How did these "explorers" ever find their way if they didn't know the sun rises in the east and sets in the west? Or by "upper" did they perhaps mean "upstream" on the Saint Lawrence River?
Perhaps I should have used [Smile] to show I wasn't serious. [Smile]

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As far as the Star is concerned, I can also quote Tommy Douglas from my cafeteria lunch with him a mere 35 years ago, who mentioned inter alia that "the Star was always a fair paper," even if he liked the (now extinct) Telegraph better.

Perhaps it used to be.

I'm pretty sure all newspapers in Canada are significantly biased these days.

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I think the early explorers thought they were travelling north when they went inland, so Quebec was Lower Canada and Ontario was Upper Canada.

How did these "explorers" ever find their way if they didn't know the sun rises in the east and sets in the west? Or by "upper" did they perhaps mean "upstream" on the Saint Lawrence River?
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Forum postings anywhere are traps when trying to be lighthearted. But we will survive somehow!

About newspapers-- I tend to agree. Some are better for providing certain sorts of information, which is why I sweat through the Saturday Le Devoir as it has the best religious and cultural coverage in Canada-- I recall sociologist Michael Adams noting that, with about 3-4 million Canadians in church/synagogue/temple on a weekend, there was almost no coverage at all. However, the approximately 80,000-100,000 watching sports that week could count on 6-12 pages daily. I am getting less convinced about my daily subscription to the Globe, but enjoy retirement and sitting on the deck with my cup of yergacheffe and reading the paper under the baleful gaze of the neighbours' cats.

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... The Globe he dismissed as written by and for the people who thought they ran the country.

The British equivalent of that view was beautifully summarised in the 1980s sitcom Yes, Prime Minister

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... I am getting less convinced about my daily subscription to the Globe, but enjoy retirement and sitting on the deck with my cup of yergacheffe and reading the paper under the baleful gaze of the neighbours' cats.

Retirement is good.

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... I am getting less convinced about my daily subscription to the Globe, but enjoy retirement and sitting on the deck with my cup of yergacheffe and reading the paper under the baleful gaze of the neighbours' cats.

Retirement is good.
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... As lawyers are the world's second oldest profession, ...

I've often gone with the "who do you think created the chaos?" theory of the antiquity of the legal profession.

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-2C with a wind chill of -5C this morning. Can't wait to get out of here!

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I'm on a different page re winter: love it. Dump of 15cm in 2 days here. -7°C, beautiful bright sun. Went out on fat tire bike earlier and just kneaded bread and getting ready to go skiing.

Just use your imagination!

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First snow- two construction workers in shorts keep on working.
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No sn*w here yet: it was still hitting the high teens Centigrade in the last couple of days. Cooler today, and now hovering around +1°.

Any sn*w that you get, feel free to keep it to yourselves. [Snigger]

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sharkshooter

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Rain has stopped. Hopefully the sun will come out like the foreguessers say. I'm hopeful for a round of golf today.

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I think you must have sent your rain our way - it's moist and rather dreich here.

17°, but moist and rather dreich ... [Ultra confused]

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