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Source: (consider it) Thread: The 10 Commandments
Paige
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The piece in question is actually only a short paragraph, but it's in a brand new book. I've seen the admonition before to link, rather than post---so that's why I was asking. If I was quoting it in an article here, I wouldn't have blinked an eye, but I'm still a bit confused about UK rules.

I'll probably post it in a bit, and you can let me know if I've crossed any lines. Thanks!

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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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Hi all...

We have revised our 10Cs, streamlining them and making them a bit more consistent. The new rules are effectively immediately -- you can access them by clicking the 10 Commandments link in the left frame.

Also going into effect immediately are the removal of most of our unwritten rules. Specifically, we're ditching the official prohibitions on the following:
  • "You're not a Christian";
  • "[insert nation of choice] is a big mean bully/whining has-been/bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys"; and,
  • the homosexual/pedophile analogy.

This is not to say that we are condoning those things. Far from it. However, we are taking the position that the membership should administer the beatings that those who resort to the aforementioned arguments richly deserve.

Please note that we will still enforce the following:
  • Two-click rule for pornographic and other links that are likely to trigger an employer's net nanny alert;
  • no outing of other shipmates;
  • no homework threads;
  • no suicidal ideations.

Also note that we retain still retain the right to revoke access to the boards at any time for any or no reason at all. If you have questions about the new policies, post 'em here. If you want to argue about them, please just take it straight to Hell.

Thanks.
Erin
Community Editor

[who knew one tiny little word would make such a difference?]

[ 04. February 2004, 23:00: Message edited by: Erin ]

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Chorister

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Glad to see that Erin plans to enforce the outing of shipmates [Biased]

Talking of which, I happen to have inside information that Erin is in league with Bill Gates. Upon changing my screen background to the Clouds wallpaper, I noticed a familiar shadow the length of the bottom 2 inches of the screen.....

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frin

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Look, Erin,

they were all so impressed with the changes you've stunned them to silence.

'frin

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jlg

What is this place?
Why am I here?
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Unless perhaps they have all jumped overboard!
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Lyda*Rose

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thus spoke Erin-
quote:
Also going into effect immediately are the removal of most of our unwritten rules. Specifically, we're ditching the official prohibitions on the following:
"You're not a Christian";
"[insert nation of choice] is a big mean bully/whining has-been/bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys"; and,
the homosexual/pedophile analogy.

This is not to say that we are condoning those things. Far from it. However, we are taking the position that the membership should administer the beatings that those who resort to the aforementioned arguments richly deserve.

So, you thought Hell was getting a bit tame, Erin? [Devil]

I think I'm right in assuming it is Hell where these juicy insults may fly. The thought of homosexuality-compares-to-paedophilia fireworks in Purg or solemn declarations in MW that anyone who doesn't know a dalmatic from a dalmation Is Not a Christian™ boggles the mind. [Eek!] [Razz] [Biased]

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Alan Cresswell

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The expectation is that outwith Hell someone making such a comparison be politely and firmly corrected. Or called to Hell to get flamed. But we (hosts) won't be going round telling people "don't do that".

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Lyda*Rose

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Ah. Thanks, Alan. [Smile]

I still think Hell might become a bit busier. [Two face]

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Chapelhead*

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quote:
Originally posted by Erin:
Also going into effect immediately are the removal of most of our unwritten rules. Specifically, we're ditching the official prohibitions on the following:
  • "You're not a Christian";


I think allowing people to say "You're not a Christian" is a very un-Christian thing to do and you're a big meanie.

[Happier, 'frin?]

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Lyda*Rose

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Hmmm. I don't think Erin's called anyone to Hell in a while, Chapelhead.

Of course, she might have to dust off her Insult Seismograph to see if "meanie" even registers. [Disappointed]

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Nicolemr
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count me as a fence sitter on this one... my first gut reaction was to say "bad idea to remove those prohibitions", then i thought a bit more and i'm not so sure.

i do think it will tend to lower the tone of debate somewhat, but thats not automatically a bad thing.

so i'll wait and see.

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Robert Armin

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I'm with nicole on this. There are times (especially when we go round the "homosexuality does not equal paedophilia" carousel once again) when it really helps to have a Host step in and say, "Sorry, this is not allowed". My fear is that certain deceased equines are going to get even more of a flogging in future, and clutter things up. However, we'll have to wait and see how things work out in practice; my predictions of the future are rarely accurate.

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Kyralessa
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I disagree; I think it's good to have the "homosexuality = pedophilia" prohibition stop being a rule, written or especially otherwise.

Not because it ought to be encouraged, mind you! But because any number of grossly offensive analogies or comparisons can be made (indeed, have been made) around here. It's a rather inconsistent policy to only jump all over one of them. On the other hand, obviously and with good reason nobody wants to start building a "Things you can't say on the Ship" list.

Better that those who are offensive (whether intentionally or not) hear first-hand from those they've offended.

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RuthW

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quote:
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
There are times (especially when we go round the "homosexuality does not equal paedophilia" carousel once again) when it really helps to have a Host step in and say, "Sorry, this is not allowed". My fear is that certain deceased equines are going to get even more of a flogging in future, and clutter things up.

Hosts will still be pointing out the perfectly good DH threads that exist for those among us who insist on flogging extinct nags. Failure to heed such hostly pointing toward DH would constitute disrespect of a host and being a jerk, both of which are of course still very much no-no's.
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Spawn
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quote:
Originally posted by Erin:
Hi all...

We have revised our 10Cs, streamlining them and making them a bit more consistent. The new rules are effectively immediately -- you can access them by clicking the 10 Commandments link in the left frame.


I don't like this one bit. It's the Ship that's abandoning the tradition and not us. I have been on this Ship for all of five months and I want it to be there for my children and grandchildren. If they change the Commandments what is next - the berths, the lavatory, the deck?
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Laura
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The lavatories ("heads" for you pathetic landlubbers) are slated for renovation next. And, phew! do they need it.

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Chapelhead*

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quote:
Originally posted by Spawn:
quote:
Originally posted by Erin:
Hi all...

We have revised our 10Cs, streamlining them and making them a bit more consistent. The new rules are effectively immediately -- you can access them by clicking the 10 Commandments link in the left frame.


I don't like this one bit. It's the Ship that's abandoning the tradition and not us. I have been on this Ship for all of five months and I want it to be there for my children and grandchildren. If they change the Commandments what is next - the berths, the lavatory, the deck?
Perhaps we should have a schism, with a group forming the "One True Ship (Continuing)", based on a desire to adhere to holy tradition?

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Pyx_e

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quote:
Perhaps we should have a schism, with a group forming the "One True Ship (Continuing)", based on a desire to adhere to holy tradition?

Based on their interpretation of the original 10 commandments which were butchered by worldly liberals.

P

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Spawn
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quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
Perhaps we should have a schism, with a group forming the "One True Ship (Continuing)", based on a desire to adhere to holy tradition?

No you can form your own Ship, but I think we should stay and fight the changes. We could remain in Simon's navy while rejecting the captaincy of Erin. If the worst cames to the worse, then we could always sign up with some overseas Admirals and still be within the Ship.
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Matrix
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quote:
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
I'm with nicole on this. There are times (especially when we go round the "homosexuality does not equal paedophilia" carousel once again) when it really helps to have a Host step in and say, "Sorry, this is not allowed". My fear is that certain deceased equines are going to get even more of a flogging in future, and clutter things up. However, we'll have to wait and see how things work out in practice; my predictions of the future are rarely accurate.

I wonder if we don't rely on the H&A's to do too much for us? Those who feel strongly about a point can make it themselves, there's certainly been a few instances recently of the homosexual/peadophile analogy getting short thrift on threads from shipmates rather than just H&A's, and it seems to have worked.

If you see shoddy arguments, tell people they are. If the thought of a little conflict unsettles you, good, it should, but it oughtn't be avoided.

Regards
M UK

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Callan
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Originally posted by Lyda Rose of Sharon:

quote:
solemn declarations in MW that anyone who doesn't know a dalmatic from a dalmation Is Not a Christian™ boggles the mind.
I don't think that it is gin swilling Anglo-Catholics who make these kinds of declarations. Speaking for myself, the prospect of having some frothing sola scriptura type who has finally run out of arguments spit: "You're not a real Christian" will add great merriment to the life of the boards.

Actually, the fact that I am going to get way too much pleasure from this is probably a sign that it's a bad thing. A large gin says, that the first person whom this is levelled at is either a) not a Christian in actuality or b)Someone so patently charitable, devout and orthodox that the ensuing hysterical laughter is taken as a sign that the Toronto blessing has descended upon the Ship. [Big Grin]

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Erin
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quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
Perhaps we should have a schism, with a group forming the "One True Ship (Continuing)", based on a desire to adhere to holy tradition?

IIRC, that experiment has already failed.

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Gremlin
Ship's Cryptanalyst
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quote:
Originally posted by Spawn:
quote:
Originally posted by Erin:
Hi all...

We have revised our 10Cs, streamlining them and making them a bit more consistent. The new rules are effectively immediately -- you can access them by clicking the 10 Commandments link in the left frame.


I don't like this one bit. It's the Ship that's abandoning the tradition and not us. I have been on this Ship for all of five months and I want it to be there for my children and grandchildren. If they change the Commandments what is next - the berths, the lavatory, the deck?
And
quote:
Originally posted by Laura:
The lavatories ("heads" for you pathetic landlubbers) are slated for renovation next. And, phew! do they need it.

Sounds like you've got a volunteer there, Laura [Big Grin]

Gremlin

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Arrietty

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quote:
Originally posted by Callan:
Actually, the fact that I am going to get way too much pleasure from this is probably a sign that it's a bad thing.

Pleasure?

I thought this was supposed to be a Christian message board?

[ 06. February 2004, 13:49: Message edited by: Arrietty ]

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Amazing Grace*

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quote:
Originally posted by jlg:
Unless perhaps they have all jumped overboard!

From what I saw yesterday some people seemed to be getting some pent-up pond-war ya-yas out.

Charlotte

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RuthW

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quote:
Originally posted by Spawn:
We could remain in Simon's navy while rejecting the captaincy of Erin.

I'm not sure you can, actually. Erin is Simon's Vicar on the Boards. To reject the captaincy of Erin is to reject Simon himself.
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Chapelhead*

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
quote:
Originally posted by Spawn:
We could remain in Simon's navy while rejecting the captaincy of Erin.

I'm not sure you can, actually. Erin is Simon's Vicar on the Boards. To reject the captaincy of Erin is to reject Simon himself.
Isn't that a very fundamentalist - literalist interpretation? What about those of us who take a more liberal view? Are you saying we're not Shippian?

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RuthW

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We're going with a more fundamentalist / literalist view of the Ship's 10 Commandments now, so yeah - fall in line or burn!
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welsh dragon

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Mark 12, 28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"

So...which commandment is greatest?

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Amos

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The first. (as it was for Our Lord)

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Alan Cresswell

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Yep, it could be argued that Commandments 2-10 relate to particular forms of jerkiness.

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Jengie jon

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RuthW said:
quote:
We're going with a more fundamentalist / literalist view of the Ship's 10 Commandments now, so yeah - fall in line or burn!
Shouldn't that be drown?

Jengie

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Arrietty

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
Erin is Simon's Vicar on the Boards. To reject the captaincy of Erin is to reject Simon himself.

I'm not rejecting her, I'm just toying with the concept she's not infallible. [Two face]

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RuthW

liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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Of course she's fallible. Except when she puts on the Community Editor hat.
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quote:
Originally posted by Erin:
Hi all...

We have revised our 10Cs, streamlining them and making them a bit more consistent. The new rules are effectively immediately -- you can access them by clicking the 10 Commandments link in the left frame.

[Deletia - please read Erin's original]

Please note that we will still enforce the following:
Two-click rule for pornographic and other links that are likely to trigger an employer's net nanny alert

Could someone please explain this one to me?

And is putting "NOT WORK SAFE" in big/bold letters considered sufficient polite warning?

Thanks,

Charlotte

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RuthW

liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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Assuming you mean the "two-click rule" - any link posted on the boards should be work safe, but the pages to which you link may themselves have links to porno or other things that might make people's employers look at them funny. Labelling something "not work safe" is really not enough, because it's too easy to click on something inadvertently.
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Chapelhead*

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quote:
Originally posted by welsh dragon:
So...which commandment is greatest?

"Hear O Israel, the Erin thy lord is one lord, and thou shalt obey the Erin thy lord with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind and with all thy strength."

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Alan Cresswell

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What about Simon?

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Tortuf
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We do not call Him directly by his name.
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Scot
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That explains what you meant by "S-m-n is the bestest thing in the whole world." I had misunderstood.

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Tortuf
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yeah, er, that's it. Forget all the rest of that stuff we were talking about.
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Chapelhead*

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
What about Simon?

Creationist ideas linked to 'Simon' have largely been debunked by academic research. I'd have thought you would have known that, Alan.

[ 07. February 2004, 18:37: Message edited by: Chapelhead ]

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I too thought that any refernece to "simon" or "s m n" were purely mythical... alhought there may have once been a person called simon, the myths and legends that have grown surroundding this figure are purely added...
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quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
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Originally posted by welsh dragon:
So...which commandment is greatest?

"Hear O Israel, the Erin thy lord is one lord, and thou shalt obey the Erin thy lord with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind and with all thy strength."
And the second is this: "Thou shalt love thy Shipmates as thyself"

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quote:
Originally posted by Paul W:
And the second is this: "Thou shalt love thy Shipmates as thyself"

Actually I think it might be "Thou shalt be nice to thy Shipmates as thyself".

Erin's a big believer in us all being nice to each other.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
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Originally posted by welsh dragon:
So...which commandment is greatest?

"Hear O Israel, the Erin thy lord is one lord, and thou shalt obey the Erin thy lord with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind and with all thy strength."
So where is all this obeying going on and why didn't anyone tell me?

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quote:
Originally posted by Erin:
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
quote:
Originally posted by welsh dragon:
So...which commandment is greatest?

"Hear O Israel, the Erin thy lord is one lord, and thou shalt obey the Erin thy lord with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind and with all thy strength."
So where is all this obeying going on and why didn't anyone tell me?
Is it time for your weekly bout of Erin-Worship?

Ahhh, well...here goes:

oh great one, we would all obey your every word, as you are a god-like creature (i think i *just* avoided heresy). It is indeed meet and right always and everywhere to give you thanks and praise...

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quote:
Originally posted by Emma.:
I too thought that any refernece to "simon" or "s m n" were purely mythical... alhought there may have once been a person called simon, the myths and legends that have grown surroundding this figure are purely added...

That the Simon-myth has a long history is evidenced by its incarnation in our culture in various naive modern-day forms such as the well-known children's nursery rhyme "Simple Simon met a pie-man" and, more significantly, in the game "Simon says", which is a clear vestige of the view of Simon as supreme authority figure: apart from Simon man can do nothing. We can also recall the electronic game Simon of a few years ago, which lit a series of colored panels which the "worshipper" had to repeat exactly; a rudimentary form of catechism, clearly degraded from a more complete catechism which, unfortunately, has been lost to us over the centuries. The aforementioned poem expresses the same motif:

quote:
Simple Simon met a pieman
Going to the fair;
Says Simple Simon to the pieman,
"Let me taste your ware."

The Simon archetype asserts his authority. This authority is then questioned:

quote:
Says the pieman to Simple Simon,
"Show me first your penny."
Says Simple Simon to the pieman,
"Indeed I have not any."

Simon's subtle response makes the idea clear: he needs no penny, for his very standing guarantees him the object of his desire (represented in this bit of verse as the pieman's wares, thus adducing food as the most fundamental human need and desire, and pie as an especially sweet and delectable form of this basic necessity).

With such a cultural background, it was clearly inevitable that the name of Simon would be chosen here to represent the highest authority figure; to understand why such a strategy could not be other than effective, one need only consider the "Dread Pirate Roberts" phenomenon.

The disturbing question will not leave us be: If Simon is indeed a mythical figure, then who stands behind the ostensible pronouncements by the Simon purported to head this web site? But this is hardly the place for such speculation; the followers of Simon have eyes everywhere.

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Shipmates need 'Simon' to relate to and without 'Simon' the commmuntiy would fall to pieces.

This means that while 'Simon' is non-realist, he is none the less real.

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