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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: but in the unlikely event that two people try to claim the same name then we have the ability to cross-check your registration email addresses to determine who was using it here.
Is this an automated process, or only arises if someone complains?
B. There are no automated data migrations or cross-checks between the two sets of software whatsoever - in software and database terms this will be a completely new Ship of Fools.
quote: I can envision an "active"* poster wishing a name change. "Oh, I've never seen a Vera the Venusian. I shall take that name." Meantime, registered, but "inactive" lurker Vera the Venusian decides to register on the New Ship and finds the name taken. Being a lurker, s/he doesn't feel comfortable to challenge a long-time poster.
That's a risk we'll have to accept. We can't automatically transfer profiles to the new software, and even if it was possible (which it's not) we sure as hell wouldn't be prepared to manually transfer nearly 19,000 profiles across.
Which leaves us with the option of trusting y'all to not be dicks, and intervening on a case-by-case basis in the (hopefully very) rare event of a conflict.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: I can't find that post but I am tempted to reboard as ThomasDF, merseymike or Frank Mitchell.
Meh. You're the one that'd have to live with the consequences.
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lilBuddha
Shipmate
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quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: There are no automated data migrations or cross-checks between the two sets of software whatsoever - in software and database terms this will be a completely new Ship of Fools.
Not knowing either software, I wouldn't think it an impossible task to create a data base that read from one into a format that could be read/imported into the other. Though I understand that this is additional work. quote:
Which leaves us with the option of trusting y'all to not be dicks, and intervening on a case-by-case basis in the (hopefully very) rare event of a conflict.
My example was a specifically non-dickish one that is entirely plausible.
All that said, I am not trying to create more work or making any demands.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: Not knowing either software, I wouldn't think it an impossible task to create a data base that read from one into a format that could be read/imported into the other. Though I understand that this is additional work.
It's also largely pointless. The vast majority of profiles (and thus usernames) we have on these boards will never be used again, so there's no need to expend effort to preserve them. quote: quote:
Which leaves us with the option of trusting y'all to not be dicks, and intervening on a case-by-case basis in the (hopefully very) rare event of a conflict.
My example was a specifically non-dickish one that is entirely plausible.
I did not mean to imply that the only possible conflicts would result from people being dicks, merely that if everyone refrains from dickishness then the number of conflicts will be incredibly low. So low, in fact, that it will take considerably less time and effort to deal with them on a case-by-case basis after the event than to attempt to render them impossible in advance.
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Pants
Emergency underwear
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: As stated earlier on this thread, we have also banned certain names (e.g. Erin, ken, Gambit) from being used at all.
I can't find that post but I am tempted to reboard as ThomasDF, merseymike or Frank Mitchell.
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lilBuddha
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quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: Not knowing either software, I wouldn't think it an impossible task to create a data base that read from one into a format that could be read/imported into the other. Though I understand that this is additional work.
It's also largely pointless. The vast majority of profiles (and thus usernames) we have on these boards will never be used again, so there's no need to expend effort to preserve them. quote: quote:
Which leaves us with the option of trusting y'all to not be dicks, and intervening on a case-by-case basis in the (hopefully very) rare event of a conflict.
My example was a specifically non-dickish one that is entirely plausible.
I did not mean to imply that the only possible conflicts would result from people being dicks, merely that if everyone refrains from dickishness then the number of conflicts will be incredibly low. So low, in fact, that it will take considerably less time and effort to deal with them on a case-by-case basis after the event than to attempt to render them impossible in advance.
Fair enough.
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Schroedinger's cat
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I know from works situations that transfer of data is always a tricky issue, and the decision is the one I would come to if being asked to do it as well.
Yes it is possible to do these transfers automatically, but the question is always about what the most appropriate thing to do is. OK, it is a small pain for each of us to have to re-register, but it is absolutely the right approach. It always seems like the "right" thing to make it simple for me, but from a wider perspective, some small work that each person has to do is, by a long way, far easier.
And just to say I know the pain in trying to get this all up and working, and I think the team working on it are doing a great job (keeping us informed, trying to resolve the problems, all in their spare time!). So a huge thank you, and please make it fantastic for us!
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Pigwidgeon
Ship's Owl
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So is "Curious Buddhist" available?
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Rossweisse
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I'm just worried that I'll be out of town and out of touch when the new Ship finally launches. Can we get any estimate of the probable date?
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat: I know from works situations that transfer of data is always a tricky issue, and the decision is the one I would come to if being asked to do it as well.
Yes it is possible to do these transfers automatically, but the question is always about what the most appropriate thing to do is. OK, it is a small pain for each of us to have to re-register, but it is absolutely the right approach. It always seems like the "right" thing to make it simple for me, but from a wider perspective, some small work that each person has to do is, by a long way, far easier.
And just to say I know the pain in trying to get this all up and working, and I think the team working on it are doing a great job (keeping us informed, trying to resolve the problems, all in their spare time!). So a huge thank you, and please make it fantastic for us!
FWIW, I'm in the midst of a data migration job and name data, while superficially simple, is the very worst. Asking people to spend a couple of minutes to re-register takes them no time and gets the new Ship up and running far sooner.
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Gill H
Shipmate
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Here's a thought. Any chance we could get the Rev Gerald Ambulance to launch the new Ship? I'm sure he would be happy to waft some Extra Strength Ol' Romanian over its bows.
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Golden Key
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quote: Originally posted by Pigwidgeon: So is "Curious Buddhist" available?
{Throws soft pillow, which just misses Pigwidgeon.}
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Ian Climacus
Liturgical Slattern
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A note of thanks to all you working on Ship II. Greatly appreciated.
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Golden Key
Shipmate
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Ditto.
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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quote: Originally posted by Ian Climacus: A note of thanks to all you working on Ship II. Greatly appreciated.
If we're counting ...
First, there was a print magazine
Second, online with discussion boards on Neoworks. With evolution of the boards from a single unmoderated board to appointing hosts and developing the different boards more or less as we have them now.
Third, new discussion forum using UBB. With one significant upgrade to a newer version of UBB. Leading to where we are now. Church of Fools spin off.
Fourth, the current upgrade to new software for magazine and boards.
So Ship IV may be more accurate.
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mr cheesy
Shipmate
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quote: Originally posted by Rossweisse: I'm just worried that I'll be out of town and out of touch when the new Ship finally launches. Can we get any estimate of the probable date?
Soon and very soon.
I'm sure we'll all survive if it launches when you are unavailable for a few days.
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Pigwidgeon
Ship's Owl
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quote: Originally posted by Golden Key: quote: Originally posted by Pigwidgeon: So is "Curious Buddhist" available?
{Throws soft pillow, which just misses Pigwidgeon.}
I'm glad you have bad aim.
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Miffy
Ship's elephant
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I’ve spent a lazy hour or two trawling through my not terribly recent ‘recent’ posts before they go the way of all things. Ah! Memories, memories.
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lilBuddha
Shipmate
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In Hell, Rook mentioned that the new posting time limit is going to be 300 seconds. Is this true and why?
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Eutychus
From the edge
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Not only doth no man know the day nor the hour: bear in mind also that one day is as a thousand years, so 300 seconds...
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Gill H
Shipmate
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quote: Originally posted by Miffy: I’ve spent a lazy hour or two trawling through my not terribly recent ‘recent’ posts before they go the way of all things. Ah! Memories, memories.
Ah, the prophetic Miffy! Was it not you who called into being the wonderful Helmuth Alpenhorn and his Swiss Miss Belles? And then lo and behold, a yodel/rap fusion number at last year's Eurovision!
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RooK
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quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: In Hell, Rook mentioned that the new posting time limit is going to be 300 seconds. Is this true and why?
I'd like to reference you to the source of the rumour: a known liar and scoundrel. So, probably untrue, and doubtless part of some larger plot to lure good devout folk astray.
But even if it was true, who can guess at the machinations of such esoteric creatures as Admins. Perhaps it was written down as prophecy from the Holy Gator. Perhaps their public testing of the effects of different edit times suggested that it would ease the transition into a new setting. Maybe they're getting soft in their old age. Maybe it's the smallest non-zero option available in the new software. There's simply no way to know.
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Tortuf
Ship's fisherman
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Maybe the gods could send us an oracle.
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Rossweisse
High Church Valkyrie
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quote: Originally posted by mr cheesy: I'm sure we'll all survive if it launches when you are unavailable for a few days.
Of course you will. The question is, will I?
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by Eutychus: Not only doth no man know the day nor the hour: bear in mind also that one day is as a thousand years, so 300 seconds...
I tried to work that out with a proportion, like I used to teach when I taught algebra, but I wasn't sure if the 300 seconds was God's time or our time, so to speak, so I didn't know whether to put it on the top or the bottom of the fraction. At which point I gave up and went back to eating my lunch.
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Yorick
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quote: Originally posted by RooK: Maybe it's the smallest non-zero option available in the new software.
Hahaha. Yeah, maybe.
I bet you were gutted when you found that.
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Miffy
Ship's elephant
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quote: Originally posted by Gill H: quote: Originally posted by Miffy: I’ve spent a lazy hour or two trawling through my not terribly recent ‘recent’ posts before they go the way of all things. Ah! Memories, memories.
Ah, the prophetic Miffy! Was it not you who called into being the wonderful Helmuth Alpenhorn and his Swiss Miss Belles? And then lo and behold, a yodel/rap fusion number at last year's Eurovision!
It was indeed, Gill! Well- Mr M write the first entry, after which I took up the Helmuth baton. I was about to say ‘began tooting his horn ‘ but I don’t want to get banned just as we’re about to board the new Ship.
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The Midge
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Speaking as an occasional visitor I will relish the chance of an equal post count with the most rabidly enthusiastic posters on the ship. I'm sure I will watch them sail off into the sunset leaving me in their new turbo-charged wake shortly thereafter.
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Alex Cockell
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Please could you advise where you will be posting a link to the new SHip - ready for registration?
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RooK
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quote: Originally posted by Alex Cockell: Please could you advise where you will be posting a link to the new SHip - ready for registration?]
That will be here in the Styx, and well-flagged.
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Chorister
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quote: Originally posted by RooK: That will be here in the Styx, and well-flagged.
Canadian Flag or Jolly Roger?
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by RooK: Maybe it's the smallest non-zero option available in the new software.
Hahaha. Yeah, maybe.
I bet you were gutted when you found that.
Zero is also an option. Piss us off enough and it may well be the one we choose.
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Yorick
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Nah, I don’t think so. The boards would be as clogged as a Glaswegian chip shop owner’s coronaries with all the second posts people would make to correct the errors of their firsts.
I’m just amused by the idea that you’ll be begrudging us the extra two minutes. Simple things, and all that.
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Leorning Cniht
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quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Nah, I don’t think so. The boards would be as clogged as a Glaswegian chip shop owner’s coronaries with all the second posts people would make to correct the errors of their firsts.
Hopefully, the edit feature will remain a thing.
As far as a five-minute gap between postings, that's fine for a particular model of forum usage: if you read a thread, then compose a reply, you can hardly read and then compose a reasonably-thought-out response in less than five minutes.
If what you do is work on a few different threads in parallel: perhaps with multiple tabs, or perhaps composing posts in a text editor, then you may well come to the point when you have three posts on different topics ready to go at the same time. Increasing the timeout is more painful for that model of board use.
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RooK
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There may be some confusion - edit window versus spam control.
The new Ship will permit editing of posts for up to 300 seconds after posting. Meanwhile, spam control will not hamper posting unless you exceed 5 posts within 60 seconds.
For now. We may alter it.
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Leorning Cniht
Shipmate
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quote: Originally posted by RooK: There may be some confusion - edit window versus spam control.
The new Ship will permit editing of posts for up to 300 seconds after posting. Meanwhile, spam control will not hamper posting unless you exceed 5 posts within 60 seconds.
For now. We may alter it.
I was certainly confused. Thanks for the clarification
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Bishops Finger
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There's some wonderful stuff on the site Boogie links to - thanks for brightening a dull day!
IJ
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Boogie
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quote: Originally posted by Bishops Finger: There's some wonderful stuff on the site Boogie links to - thanks for brightening a dull day!
IJ
The games are excellent too, I recommend Exploding Kittens
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Palimpsest
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I'm curious if Dead Horses board will continue and if it's expected that all the topics will continue to canter on toward eternity.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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quote: Originally posted by Palimpsest: I'm curious if Dead Horses board will continue and if it's expected that all the topics will continue to canter on toward eternity.
There will be a Dead Horses board on the New Ship. The same rules and topics will apply. But we’re not copying any threads across, so you lucky lot get to start all the arguments over from scratch!
I pity the Hosts. We’ll have to double their grog allowance for the first few months...
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Lothlorien
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quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: quote: Originally posted by Palimpsest: I'm curious if Dead Horses board will continue and if it's expected that all the topics will continue to canter on toward eternity.
There will be a Dead Horses board on the New Ship. The same rules and topics will apply. But we’re not copying any threads across, so you lucky lot get to start all the arguments over from scratch!
I pity the Hosts. We’ll have to double their grog allowance for the first few months...
Thanks to Christmas, I am overstocked with gin. You are welcome. Or perhaps I could indulge in my hostly share from my stock. Bombay Sapphire, Tanqueray and Hendricks.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: I pity the Hosts. We’ll have to double their grog allowance for the first few months...
Shipmates will have to cope with groggy Hosts
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No change there.
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geroff
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I do hope the high level of sarcasm will survive the move to the new ship - I do enjoy the message on preview post.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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Sarcasm? Here?
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lilBuddha
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Never! IIACW after all.
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mousethief
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quote: Originally posted by balaam: Sarcasm? Here?
I am shocked -- SHOCKED! !
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The Phantom Flan Flinger
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quote: Originally posted by balaam: quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: I pity the Hosts. We’ll have to double their grog allowance for the first few months...
Shipmates will have to cope with groggy Hosts
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No change there.
Grog ---> Groggy.
Hadn't realised that before.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Every day's a school day
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