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Brenda Clough
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I need to learn more, much much more, about the Agapemones. Can anyone recommend books? (Put it in a message to avoid clogging this thread.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I need to learn more, much much more, about the Agapemones. Can anyone recommend books? (Put it in a message to avoid clogging this thread.)

Oh no. Please post it, even if it is a tangent. Spaxton's not all that far from here.

There's a list of texts etc on this wiki page, but if any shipmates know anything about them, it would be great to know.

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John Betjeman had a section about them in his programme "Metroland".
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Astonishingly (to me), Hugh Smyth-Piggott's granddaughters are still alive and a lawsuit about the Agapemone's funds was decided last December.

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Good gracious! Someone is going to have the interesting task of finding out what bodies now most closely resemble the Agapemonites, in order to distribute the dosh... [Help]

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It would have been easy back in the 70s, they could have sent it to David Berg's "Children of God"/"Family of Love".
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This is probably apocryphal, but I was told the story by one East Ender of how Smyth Piggot was nearly lynched by an angry mob after he failed to turn Clapton Pond into wine, as he had promised.

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Clapton is very much an in-betweener area - in the current London Borough of Hackney, but not East End and not trendy North London either.

It was probably more up market when the Agapemonites moved in.

[ 15. February 2017, 08:54: Message edited by: venbede ]

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I think the words you are looking for are "edgy", "buzzy" and "vibrant".
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Thank you. Trendy is a very dated term now, other than in The Daily Telegraph letters column (presumably - I haven't looked at it for years).

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The other word I perhaps could have added was "gritty". Mind you, I haven't actually been to Clapton for many years!
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Areas in London go up market with surprising rapidity, so for all I know Clapton is now a yuppies paradise, with a sprinkling of Georgian Orthodox clerics.

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I don't know. But Zoopla (that ever-reliable guide to house prices) says that the average value of a property in the area is £516,823.

Well, that's what it was five minutes ago, anyway.

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quote:
Originally posted by venbede:
This is probably apocryphal, but I was told the story by one East Ender of how Smyth Piggot was nearly lynched by an angry mob after he failed to turn Clapton Pond into wine, as he had promised.

Apochryphal? It's perfect! I adore it and will happily repurpose it.

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I don't know. But Zoopla (that ever-reliable guide to house prices) says that the average value of a property in the area is £516,823.

Well, that's what it was five minutes ago, anyway.

How does that compare with Stoke Newington or Finsbury Park?

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A new 2-bed apartment in Stoke Newington will set you back about £600k.

[Help]

BTW, the former hospital chapel I mentioned in the OP has recently been vacated by the Celestial Church of Christ (why, I know not - maybe The Rapture occurred, but just for the CCC?). It's advertised as being To Let, so I'll be interested to see who (or what) takes it on.

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Talking of hospital chapels:

St Luke's Chapel

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The Asylum Chapel, which was certainly in regular use in the 1960s (college chaplains found it an agreeable excursion) is now home to Capoeira classes (Capoeira is an Afro-Brazilian mix of dance, fight, music, song, tradition, theatre, and more.)
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Talking of hospital chapels:

St Luke's Chapel

I rather liked it when it was a chapel though...

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Actually, to pursue the Oxford tangent, in addition to the RI chapel, St Nicholas the Wonderworker and the chapel at the Warneford....

PhilJim (St Philip and St James, 1860s, GE Street) on the Woodstock Road became the Oxford Centre for Mission Studies in 1983.

St Paul's (1830s Greek Revival) in Walton Street was deconsecrated in the 1960s and is now a restaurant/cafe/bar.

St Peter-le-Bailey, New Inn Hall Street, became a college chapel in 1961.

All Saints, High Street, has been Lincoln College library since 1971.

St Peter in the East, Queen's Lane, which is 12th century, became St Edmund Hall's library in the 1970s.

St Cross Holywell (11th century) is now an archive for Balliol College. It closed as a church in 2008.

Thankfully many others soldier on...

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PhilJim (St Philip and St James, 1860s, GE Street) on the Woodstock Road became the Oxford Centre for Mission Studies in 1983.

Ah, the first parish of which I was a churchwarden.

But returning to chapels, the chapel of St Basil's Home for Aged Women (corner of Iffley Road and Magdalen Road; controlled by Clewer Sisters) became in 1965-ish the common room of Exeter College's graduate house. Dr Kemp advised against enquiring too closely about its consecration status.

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Lord Nuffield's St Luke's became the Oxfordshire History Centre.
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Thankfully many others soldier on...

Although St John the Baptist finally after six centuries slipped into the complete control of Merton College.
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The first edition of All Saints Highfield (whose vicar will soon be celebrating his sixtieth year in the incumbency) has been for many years the local Scout Hut -- visible over the garden wall as I type this.
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Lord Nuffield's St Luke's became the Oxfordshire History Centre.

yes, I'd forgotten St Luke's - I've always rather liked it architecturally, in a sort of local authority design way.

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Drove past the site of a church in Sterling, Virginia today. It was an old building, boarded up for at least five years now, and with a number of interesting bits of stone in the yard -- some columns and lintels. All of a sudden they are gone and the building has been bulldozed. The hoarding at the front says it is going to be a bank.

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A savings bank?

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A savings bank?

[Killing me]

Perhaps my best laugh of the day.

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PhilJim (St Philip and St James, 1860s, GE Street) on the Woodstock Road became the Oxford Centre for Mission Studies in 1983.

Ah, the first parish of which I was a churchwarden.

But returning to chapels, the chapel of St Basil's Home for Aged Women (corner of Iffley Road and Magdalen Road; controlled by Clewer Sisters) became in 1965-ish the common room of Exeter College's graduate house. Dr Kemp advised against enquiring too closely about its consecration status.

Good grief - I lived next door to that - the alleyway went between my kitchen wall and the building you're talking about - for 3 years and always assumed it was an old stable block!

(from the Magdalen Road/Stanley Road alleyway side it's a very plain 19th century wall with small high up windows, I'm not a complete idiot - certainly nothing like a chapel)

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This has made me start thinking about the New Zealand scene.

One village I pass through on the main highway once had three small churches. One is now a craft shop, one was moved (not difficult when they're all small wooden buildings) to be a university chapel, and the catholic church is now shared with two other denominations.

Up and down the country, little old churches have become cafés, craft shops or private homes.

When I was a baby (early 1930s) a farmer cut up a seaside tract of land for residential/retirement/holiday building. My grandmother bought a section and my father the adjoining one, on which he built what was basically a large garage with bunks at the back and a kitchen/living area one side. Church services were held there or in members' homes. Then Gran heard that a prominent corner site might be bought for a dance hall. She either bought it herself or persuaded the Presbyterian church to buy it. Two old army huts were brought to the site and converted into a church building, where Gran played the organ and her eldest, unmarried daughter organised the Sunday School. Every Saturday Gran had a cake stall under the macrocarpa tree by the shops to raise funds.
Eventually people began to prefer to be part of a larger congregation and moved to the next Presbyterian church a few miles up the coast – Gran's generation of old folk without cars had died out. There was a final service in the church, and it became a comfortable private home.

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St John the Evangelist Iffley Road became the college chapel for Staggers - who themselves had taken over the Cowley Fathers' mission house and chapel in Marston Street.

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The chapel of the old Workhouse in East Oxford is now incorporated in the Asian Cultural Centre and seems to be the base of the Oxford Soup Kitchen; the vicar of SS Mary and John said mass there on Saturday mornings until the mid-seventies.

The former Unitarian chapel in Percy Street was bought and used as a parsonage/church hall by St Alban's in the parish of SS Mary and John.


I do not know what became of the Chapel at the top of the Mission House at 14 Magdalen Road; when I was last there in the late 1970s all the stained glass panels were heaped up on one side and the stalls and altar in disarray. I suppose it's now just another room in the house.

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quote:
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Good grief - I lived next door to that - the alleyway went between my kitchen wall and the building you're talking about - for 3 years and always assumed it was an old stable block!

(from the Magdalen Road/Stanley Road alleyway side it's a very plain 19th century wall with small high up windows, I'm not a complete idiot - certainly nothing like a chapel)

You must have been within spitting distance of the dear kind sisters' morgue; I think it became a store-room---probably now a study-bedroom!
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