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Baptist Trainfan
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It does depend on the availability of willing volunteers to open up, move chairs, clean, even make coffee ....
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So, all seems to have gone quiet on the St Sepulchre-without-Newgate front - or has it.

Was gobsmacked to find David Ingall on the TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) channel the other day. Having made this discovery I've kept an eye on the listings (Freeview 65 in the UK) and discover that HTB also appears on the channel under its own name. So presumably Messrs Gumbel, Ingall et al are more than happy to be associated with this organisation?

I think we should be told.

[ 17. January 2018, 14:22: Message edited by: L'organist ]

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[Ultra confused]

Seriously creepy stuff - this 'prosperity Gospel' shite, yet again.

But it must work, when you look at all the bright, shiny, well-off HTB types...

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I made myself watch David Ingall speaking about Mary, Martha and Lazarus: not only would it have earned me a detention during my years studying for 'O' level Scripture but it left me not knowing whether to [Killing me] or [Waterworks] or [Projectile]

And Mr Ingall obviously doesn't consider himself to be ordained, a member of the Church of England, or know the correct title of the church where he has title since he is billed as David Ingall, St Sepulchre's In The City - so a bit like Carrie & Co but with tombs rather than sex???

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L'organist wrote:
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So presumably Messrs Gumbel, Ingall et al are more than happy to be associated with this organisation?
Crikey. Those photos look like something out of a wet dream by Charles Pooter. Or Donald Trump.

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I wonder if David Ingall has ever heard that well-known phrase You can tell a man by the company he keeps ? One would like to think so but looking at his fellows in the TBN schedules gives one pause.

There's John Hagee - a man with interesting views. Joel Osteen and Daniel Kolenda also feature in the schedules. All promoters of the "prosperity Gospel".

The rest of the schedule is like a roll-call of those Televangelists who have been exposed for claiming higher degrees and doctorates - Meyer, Hinn, Copeland, "Bishop" TD Jakes, etc, etc, etc.

Maybe now London has a bishop she may wish to look at this and have a gentle word in Mr Ingall's shell-like?

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Is this entirely fair, rather than looking for an excuse to hang someone you already don't like? Don't these organisations just sell airspace to anyone who will buy a slot? If I buy my newspaper in a newsagent I don't regard it as reasonable to be criticised because other people buy soft porn there.

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There are other ways that David Ingall could preach and be broadcast without having to chare with such dubious bedfellows. There is Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), Premier Radio (which now also has a TV arm. Above all, there is CTVC (the Churches Television Centre) which produces high-quality programmes and films, non-denominational and satisfies the criteria to be a registered charity, as set up by its founders, Lord and Lady Rank.

It is not a question of liking, or not, David Ingall: I don't know the man. However, what I know of him is that he is someone who has given solemn undertakings to his bishop and then broken them. And that he seems to think it right that he share a pubic platform with people who preach a "gospel" at variance with the CofE of which David Ingall is an priest - people, moreover, who are happy to go on record with ideas that are abhorrent (9/11 was a "punishment" for US sin) and who are brazen in their lies and personal misrepresentation.

A priest is a leader, a pastor, and should be a beacon of probity to his flock and those he wishes were of his flock. Just because Aesop made his remark about a man's chosen company in a pre-Christian pan-theistic society more than 2,500 years ago doesn't mean it should be disregarded today - after all, we value the content of the Old Testament!

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He who lies down with a dog, rises with fleas (or words to that effect). Not Aesop, IIRC, but possibly Seneca.

Whatever - it does seem to be true.

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
I wonder if David Ingall has ever heard that well-known phrase You can tell a man by the company he keeps ?

Well yes, and that accusation has been levelled against one better than David Ingall.
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That reply is close to blasphemous.

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Dear all,

This thread seems to have strayed a long way from worship practices at St. Sepulchre's and into gossip about the people involved.

It is also becoming, frankly, needlessly heated.

Although neither of these things are necessarily illegitimate, they are not suitable for an Ecclesiantics thread, which is to say a place for serious yet courteous discussion of worship practice.

At this point I am going to close the thread, and suggest that anyone who is interested in pursuing any of the issues arising start a new thread to do so, probably in Purgatory.

Thanks all!

dj_ordinaire, Eccles host

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