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GordonThePenguin
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In the Anglo-Saxon world, hymn tunes have their own names, and may be named after any number of different things. However, place names figure highly, so I was wondering how many shipmates can claim to have a "local" tune.

To kick things off, I live around 15KM from Mannheim - the tune to Lead Us, Heavenly Father, Lead Us. I have no idea why it's called Mannheim, since I've never heard it either there or anywhere else in Germany for that matter. Perhaps between us we can drum up some more hymn tune trivia of that sort.

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Well, Huron Carol is Canadian, and one of my ancestors was on an expedition with the guy who wrote it in the 17th Century.

But I was born and raised in Alberta, far from Quebec. It has a colorful history of religion intersecting with politics, but off the top of my head I can't think of any hymns that either originate in, or reference, stuff in the general area.

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The city I live in has its own tune and here is one for the county but there are a fair few shippies who live in that.

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I live seven and a half miles from Thaxted

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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
The city I live in has its own tune

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I only know that as The British Grenadiers

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Thanks to Japes and others in the cafe we have established that there was a hymn tune called Newport, but it is lost.

It would therefore appear that Cwm Rhondda is nearest at about 30 miles away, which isn't very good for the alleged Land of Song.

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I think the closest I live to is Bristol. Possibly 'Frankford' if it counts for 'Frankfort'. Maybe Southwark, but I don't think that counts anymore since that district was suppressed.

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Of course, Googling to find mine tends to only point to Coventry Carol…
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Ah, here we go. Apparently, there is a hymn called Lead Kindly Light, with lyrics taken from Cardinal Newman, set to a tune called Alberta, which W.H. Harris wrote while visiting my home province.

Alberta

While the province of Alberta is about 25% Catholic(with a strong French presence at the beginning), and notoriously conservative, it is not generally associated in the public imagination with the kind of culture and religion represented by John Henry Cardinal Newman. There is a theology school named after him, however.

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We have a tune named after our very own parish in the Hymnal 1982 thanks to our late music director of blessed memory and his then-wife, now-widow (who is an active blessing to us).

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No surprise, but I find no hymn tunes named after Chicago. And the name of my suburb doesn't come up in either its English or French spelling. There are some nearby towns with hymn-tune names (probably because they seem to be names borrowed from Across the Pond): 9 miles from Northbrook and 5 miles from Niles. I would rather claim the Huron Carol, since Huron, South Dakota, is my birthplace.

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Several round here. There's more than one called Bristol, though this link is to what I'd imagine is the best known. There's also Abbots Leigh which is a village nearby, though the link isn't to what I'd regard as the usual words, and Thornbury not far away.

Anyone care to write a tune and call it Nempnett Thrubwell, one of the odder place names round here.

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Loving Shepherd of thy Sheep (hymn tune Buckland) was composed by Rev. Hayne, a Creamtealand vicar - the tune was named after his church. Unfortunately we don't seem to hear it much now.

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Although it is more of a Woodbridge tune than an Ipswich one, we have "Deben" by Gordon Hawkins, a former organist of our church. It goes to "Spirit of God within me" but it's not very well-known: a URC speciality I think!

Woodbridge is 10 miles from us; our local river is the Gipping and I'm not aware of a tune by that name!

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My last room in college was within sight of Hollingside lane and the eponymous cottage.

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One of my favourite Advent hymns is sung to a tune named after the town where I live.
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The English Hymnal seems to be the best source of tunes for places where I have lived.

429 (Birmingham)
109 (Cheshire)
42 and 448 (Dundee)
322 (Leicester (or Bedford)) - I have lived in one of those places.
297 (London)
69 (Plaistow)

I am aware of a tune called Glasgow as well...

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quote:
Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
The city I live in has its own tune

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I only know that as The British Grenadiers

Sheffield

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Congregational singing as we know it today stems from the reformed singing of the psalms in a metrical form. The French psalter used such a wide variety of metres that many psalms had their own tune that wouldn't fit anything else. If the tunes were referred to it would be by the number of the psalm, or the opening words - so we have tunes still in use with names like Rendez ŕ Dieu, Mon Dieu prete-moi l'oreille, Ministres de l'éternel and the like. The English psalter was far less metrically diverse, which meant that words and tunes could be often coupled more or less as one wished. It therefore became necessary for the tunes to have distinctive names of their own. Place names seem to have been used in most cases for the tunes in the earliest psalm collections - Day, Este, Ravenscroft and the various Scottish psalters. Winchester, Bristol, Dunfermline, Elgin, London, Dundee, Durham, Lincoln, Wigtown, York ... And so the tradition carried on as Jengie Jon notes re Mather's Sheffield. Others of the same vintage include the various Wainwrights' Liverpool, Manchester, Stockport, or at the other end of the country - in Creamtealand, Crediton or SS Wesley's Bude. More recently Holst's 'big tune' from Jupiter became Thaxted. Little Cornard, Coe Fen, Griffin's Brook, Edgbaston ... the practice continues. On this side of the Atlantic at least I don't think anyone can be more than a few miles "away from the name of a tune".

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I've never been a huge fan of the tune, Detroit - it's not bad, until it hits that upward run at the end of the third line. Overall pretty unmemorable. I can't even remember which words are set to it in The Hymnal 1982, nor can I be bothered to go look it up.

It probably isn't named for Detroit, Michigan, since the Motor City is home to so much wonderful music. How could that piece have been inspired there?

A tune called "Detroit" should either be soulful, in a Gospel or Motown vein, or should have about 120 beats per minute in true Techno form. (Try getting your congregation to sing that with an organ accompaniment!)

[eta: Yes, I know the tune predates the automobile not to mention Motown...]

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Does a traditional spiritual count? I live "Down By the Riverside".

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quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
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Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
The city I live in has its own tune

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I only know that as The British Grenadiers

Sheffield

Jengie

In that case there are two Sheffields - this one and the one by William Mather which 'goes with' a chunk of Psalm 68 which often comes around on Ascension Day "Thou hast, O Lord, most glorious, ascended up on high ..." Mercifully it stops before the lines "the hairy scalp of him that still on in his trespass goes".
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quote:
Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
I live seven and a half miles from Thaxted

And my family come from a neighbouring village. Sadly, John Ireland's hymn tune "Sampford" seems to have slipped into oblivion.

On the other hand, (and I think I've outed myself enough on the Ship that another clue won't make any difference), I currently live
in Wolvercote. (beware weirdly strobing organ pipes).

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Right Another tune called Sheffield and now to make it easier for people, Index of Hymn Tunes, its not complete as it only covers those in the public domain but it is a good start.

The use of secular words to hymn tunes is common, On Ilkely Moor Bah't'at is of course to the hymn tune Cranbrook.

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I live very close to the city that's mentioned in the title of "Recife O Lord In Heaven Above" [Big Grin]

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Apologies for double post but this is too good not to post.

Just to demonstrate it can be sung to other words.

Enjoy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Right Another tune called Sheffield and now to make it easier for people, Index of Hymn Tunes, its not complete as it only covers those in the public domain but it is a good start.

The use of secular words to hymn tunes is common, On Ilkely Moor Bah't'at is of course to the hymn tune Cranbrook.

Jengie

Too many Sheffields! Could lead to confusion- like the time the organist was asked to play Salzburg, which he did. Unfortunately he played the Michael Haydn one, not the Hintze which fitted the words to be sung ...

On the other hand secular tunes can be fitted up as hymns - RVW in the English Hymnal used a number of traditional English tunes; a century later the compliers of the Church Hymnary have followed his lead, 'borrowing' the Skye Boat Song, The Banks o' Doon, Eriskay Love Lilt and others.

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I'm about 8 miles from Burrington and frequently go past the "cleft" that Rock of Ages sprang from.

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I'm figuring Paraparaumu (my home town of upbringing) and Humpty Doo (my current postal address - he says, outing himself again) aren't featuring hugely as hymn tunes.

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I'm a bus ride away from Chiselhurst an alternative tune to "Hail the day that sees him rise" which I've only sung at St Alban's Holborn. It made a nice change.

And Stockport is a lovely Christmas number. I'd far rather sing it than Hark the Herald Angels.

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I live in Cuddesdon at the moment, which is a hymn tune to number of hymns!
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quote:
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Sheffield

It is very, very similar to The British Grenadiers, Mather wouldn't get away with that nowadays.

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quote:
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I'm figuring Paraparaumu (my home town of upbringing) and Humpty Doo (my current postal address - he says, outing himself again) aren't featuring hugely as hymn tunes.

Two Shirley Erena Murray hymns come pretty close: RAUMATI for Look Toward Christmas and PAUATAHANUI for a short blessing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
Several round here. There's more than one called Bristol, though this link is to what I'd imagine is the best known. There's also Abbots Leigh which is a village nearby, though the link isn't to what I'd regard as the usual words

Abbots Leigh is about a mile and a third from my study, where i am sitting typing this.

A previous vicar wrote the tune in its vicarage.

I have helped out there during an interregnum. Good choir for a small church.

The tune was originally an alternative to the German tune for 'Glorious things of thee are spoken.' It also goes to 'Sing we of a blessed mother' and 'Father, Lord of all creation'

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Charles Winfred Douglas, the editor two 20th century Episcopal hymn books, lived in Colorado for some time. And while I seem to remember hearing something about another hymn tune being named for a location near by, he did write a hymn that apparently didn't survive the transition to Hymnal 1982 called "Dexter Street," named for the Dexter Street where I occasionally ride my bicycle to visit the library.

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That snappy little number "Go to Dark Gethsemane" is apparently set to a tune called "St. John's, Barmouth," which in one sense could be quite close to St. John's, Newfoundland ... but geographically, not at all really.

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Yes but you can get Geographically closer. Annoying thing is my response was "I have sung a hymn to the tune Newfoundland", now I know the tune exists but have no idea which tune it was.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Thanks to Japes and others in the cafe we have established that there was a hymn tune called Newport, but it is lost.

It would therefore appear that Cwm Rhondda is nearest at about 30 miles away, which isn't very good for the alleged Land of Song.

Cwm Rhondda is probably my nearest at the moment, but I'm moving to Aberystwyth in the summer, so that's me sorted!

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Originally posted by Enoch:
Several round here. There's more than one called Bristol, though this link is to what I'd imagine is the best known. There's also Abbots Leigh which is a village nearby, though the link isn't to what I'd regard as the usual words

Abbots Leigh is about a mile and a third from my study, where i am sitting typing this.

A previous vicar wrote the tune in its vicarage.

I have helped out there during an interregnum. Good choir for a small church.

The tune was originally an alternative to the German tune for 'Glorious things of thee are spoken.' It also goes to 'Sing we of a blessed mother' and 'Father, Lord of all creation'

It's a really popular tune for new hymn texts, it seems. I first learned it (in TEC's Hymnal 1982) to "God is love, let heaven adore him..."

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I live in Hemel Hempstead, and the village and hymn-tune Guiting Power is near Milton Keynes, about 40 miles away. If there's a nearer one, I don't know it. I was brought up, in the 50s and 60s, in Stockport, which is also a tune - that of 'God Rest ye, Jerry Mentalmen', which is alternatively known as 'Yorkshire'.

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Correction - 'Stockport/Yorkshire' is the tune of 'Christians, Awake, Salute the Happy Morn'.

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Apparently, there's a hymn tune called Elkhart (about 30 minutes away). This text is sung to it which suggests it might sound something like this.

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Coe Fen is my nearest I think.
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quote:
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... since Huron, South Dakota, is my birthplace.

In that case, how about Lac Qui Parle? [Smile] Close enough!
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Correction No. 2 - Guiting Power is in the Cotswolds: I've just checked. There's definitely a hymn-tune village near Milton Keynes, but it must be another one.

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quote:
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Correction No. 2 - Guiting Power is in the Cotswolds: I've just checked. There's definitely a hymn-tune village near Milton Keynes, but it must be another one.

It's Bow Brickhill.

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Two Shirley Erena Murray hymns come pretty close: RAUMATI for Look Toward Christmas and PAUATAHANUI for a short blessing.

Interesting - in reality I was more Raumati than Paraparaumu anyway.

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Yes but you can get Geographically closer ...

I wondered if I could get away with that, although it's really known as the Ode to Newfoundland. My first thought was the tune
St. John,* which is about as near as I could get, but may be thought a bit of a cheat by any New Brunswick shippies ... [Big Grin]

Whenever we're travelling through Scotland, we find ourselves breaking into song as we pass certain road signs (especially Glasgow and Kilmarnock). [Smile]

* Click on the word "MIDI" on the line beginning "St. John (Parish)". Sorry about the quality.

[ 08. May 2012, 02:44: Message edited by: piglet ]

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