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Thread: Titanic obsession
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comet
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Originally posted by Evensong:
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Originally posted by Jigsaw:
A friend was watching the movie on DVD at home, and said he found it so tedious that by the end he was shouting at the TV screen:"Oh,get on with it and drown, for fuck's sake, damn you!"
Insensitive bastard.
oh please. if any movie ever came close to slitting the throat of my compassion for my fellow man, that one was it. and I'm a closet hankie-squeezer.
made me want to ralph.
I did enjoy the moment with the bobbing blue people in the water when I imagined them as a giant, wet whack-a-mole game.
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rolyn
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
I don't think he should be villified for choosing life over death; even if he was motivated from fear.
I absolutely agree! And anybody who disagrees better be damn sure they would've gone down with the ship before they start casting stones.
Okay, okay . I did not know Bruce Ismay personally , I was not aboard Titanic when it sank. So yes, on that basis I have no right to make judgements, however people around at that time did .
James Cameron didn't pluck his portrayal of Ismay's character out of thin air .
But you know we're talking 1912 . In WW1 that followed two years later men were labelled cowards for choosing not to advance into a hail of machine-gun bullets FFS .
Attitudes and values were very different around that time than they are now . ISTM Bruce Ismay was a much a victim of that, as he was a victim of ill-fated ocean Liner he helped design.
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Organ Builder
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Originally posted by rolyn:
...as he was a victim of ill-fated ocean Liner he helped design.
As someone who occasionally has reason to know, not everything gets built to the specifications designed--and the designer is often the last to learn that.
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Anselmina
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Well, Thomas Andrews was the designer. Ismay was co-owner of the White Star Line. I think it's true to say that some of Andrews' specifications were not adhered to. Using steel rivets in an iron hull (or was it the other way round ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif) ???) made the hull plates weaker. And the water-tight compartment doors did not go up to the top of the deck bulkheads, which meant the water could spill over and into the next compartment.
There have been so many stories about Ismay's behaviour that night, that I'm sure Cameron chose the one that served his film the best! That's what Hollywood usually does. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) To be fair to him, one of the prefaces to the current edition of the Walter Lord book, credits Cameron with being accurate in many points in the film. I have to admit I found his film rather soulless and dreary. But that's just a subjective thing. The documentary on the computer technology was fascinating!
Even Julian Fellowes in his 'Titanic' series on TV couldn't resist misrepresenting the Lord Duff Gordon conversation in the lifeboat about offering $5.00 to the sailors. For dramatic effect, no doubt!
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duchess
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Originally posted by comet:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
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Originally posted by Jigsaw:
A friend was watching the movie on DVD at home, and said he found it so tedious that by the end he was shouting at the TV screen:"Oh,get on with it and drown, for fuck's sake, damn you!"
Insensitive bastard.
oh please. if any movie ever came close to slitting the throat of my compassion for my fellow man, that one was it. and I'm a closet hankie-squeezer.
made me want to ralph.
I did enjoy the moment with the bobbing blue people in the water when I imagined them as a giant, wet whack-a-mole game.
My favorite part is here (SPOILER ALERT: For the 3 people on earth who have not seen the movie. Don't read the rest of my post either, you 3 people).
"I'll never let go"
I liked this since it provided some comic relief...not saying it was right. Just sort of a little overly dramatic.
But once I stopped observing how Leonardo looked like a 12 year old boy in the movie to me...I saw a stirring example of a real man. Jack puts himself before Rose, to the point of not sharing the floating ice so that she can have life. And then she lets go of his hand literally to move from the ice to get a whistle to blow, moving on with her life, accepting after tears what has happened, so that she can live.
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Evensong
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Originally posted by Gwai:
However, you had the good sense not to watch the film, it sounds like. I am puzzled at Jigsaw's friend myself. Not puzzled that s/he didn't enjoy the movie, but quite puzzled that s/he kept watching!
It was obviously a case of Crucify him! Crucify him!.
Insensitive and sick.
He would make Girard proud.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Gwai:
However, you had the good sense not to watch the film, it sounds like. I am puzzled at Jigsaw's friend myself. Not puzzled that s/he didn't enjoy the movie, but quite puzzled that s/he kept watching!
They may have been hoping the film might improve...
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by rolyn:
Attitudes and values were very different around that time than they are now.
Yes - they were fucked up and wrong. All the more reason why you shouldn't perpetuate such attitudes now.
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Sine Nomine
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by rolyn:
Attitudes and values were very different around that time than they are now.
Yes - they were fucked up and wrong.
'Women and children first' is fucked up and wrong? That's a little much, Marvin, even from Mr. Tory.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
'Women and children first' is fucked up and wrong? That's a little much, Marvin, even from Mr. Tory.
Equality cuts both ways.
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Triple Tiara
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Originally posted by comet:
oh please. if any movie ever came close to slitting the throat of my compassion for my fellow man, that one was it. and I'm a closet hankie-squeezer.
made me want to ralph.
I did enjoy the moment with the bobbing blue people in the water when I imagined them as a giant, wet whack-a-mole game.
You may enjoy the sequel a bit more: Titanic 2: Jack is Back
Or perhaps Titanic 2: If Jack had lived
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Anselmina
Ship's barmaid
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I'm afraid this is what I think of whenever I think of Cameron's film!
Part 1 of three if you have the time!
[your coding abilities are weak]
[ 19. April 2012, 11:41: Message edited by: Marvin the Martian ]
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balaam
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
I'm afraid this is what I think of whenever I think of Cameron's film!
Part 1 of three if you have the time!
When I click the link i get "Error" which, coincidently is what I think about when I see Cameron's film too.
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
I'm afraid this is what I think of whenever I think of Cameron's film!
Fixed it for you.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Balaam:
Fixed it for you.
I got there first
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Organ Builder
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Originally posted by Ariel:
They may have been hoping the film might improve...
In my experience, this only happens with porn flicks.
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rolyn
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
And the water-tight compartment doors did not go up to the top of the deck bulkheads, which meant the water could spill over and into the next compartment.
Got a feeling that might of been Ismay's doing as he wanted to maximise passenger space , this meant bringing decks down lower into the ship, compromising the bulkheads . Anyway I'm not getting at Bruce for that cos he can't be blamed for crashing the damn thing.
There have been so many stories about Ismay's behaviour that night, that I'm sure Cameron chose the one that served his film the best! That's what Hollywood usually does.
I'll go along with that . He was made to suffer for his actions , (rightly or wrongly). As was Captain Lord of the California, wrongly accused for the rest of his life over the deaths of 1500 people.
It was also a disgrace that lower ranks, such as the look-out Fred Fleet together with the man at the wheel, were made to feel guilty over what happened
That was the one thing I liked best about Julian Fellows effort . He put the record straight after 100 years when he gave Captain Smith the line ---- ".. and I'll go down in history as the fool that sank her".
God forgive them all .
It's over and out from this Titanic obsessive
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Jigsaw
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Posted
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by Gwai:
However, you had the good sense not to watch the film, it sounds like. I am puzzled at Jigsaw's friend myself. Not puzzled that s/he didn't enjoy the movie, but quite puzzled that s/he kept watching!
They may have been hoping the film might improve...
His wife was. His kids were hoping for a bit of gruesome stuff, - awful injuries,blood and so on, having been handcuffed to the sofa and forced to watch it as part of a "family experience".
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art dunce
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My teenage daughter made me see it in 3D. Gawdawful. She was livid that Rose wouldn't help Jack onto the wood and when we got home she emailed me this.
I hadn't seen the French and Saunders version. Thank you for posting it.
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Pyx_e
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I think Simon should change his avatar for the duration.
AtB Pyx_e
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Ariel
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I see they're closing parts of Liverpool for three days to re-enact the story, with giants.
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Erroneous Monk
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I have a friend who watched the film when originally released, in Liverpool. At the point where those in lifeboats are scanning the bodies for survivors, and shouting "Is there anybody there?" there were shouts from the audience of "Over here, mate!" and resulting hilarity.
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bib
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I have always found the old classic A Night to Remember very moving but hate Titanic, a typical stupid mawkish Hollywood offering.
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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I was on an island-hopping cruise ship in Greece (before that country came to its current grief) and of course had to participate in lifeboat drill shortly after the Titanic movie came out.
The tour leader said "if you aren't enthusiastic about lifeboat drill, you haven't seen Titanic the requisite number of times."
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lilBuddha
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That would be once. I'd sand the decks to avoid watching a second time.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
I think Simon should change his avatar for the duration.
AtB Pyx_e
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One person's poor taste is another person's creative marketing tie-in.
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Anselmina
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
I think Simon should change his avatar for the duration.
AtB Pyx_e
One person's poor taste is another person's creative marketing tie-in.
Maybe it was to make any visiting survivors of the Concordia feel at home?
I mean - a kids' inflatable of a sinking ship? What's next - a sky-diving airliner on flames? A bouncy 10 vehicle pile-up on the M5?
Okay. I laughed at the image. According to my Mum - who lives just up the road from Lough Shore, and told me about this, that was the general response; a kind of eyebrow raising disbelief, and a sigh that says 'have a titter o' wit!'
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
Maybe it was to make any visiting survivors of the Concordia feel at home?
I mean - a kids' inflatable of a sinking ship? What's next - a sky-diving airliner on flames? A bouncy 10 vehicle pile-up on the M5?
A rubber scrap metal trough emptying into a plastic vat of molten iron? The possibilities are endless!
The kids I know-- specifically of the 12 year old boy variety-- would be fighting for a place on something like that, come to think of it.
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MiceElf
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That's it,next time I visit my parents I will demand a first class ticket on the Isle of Wight ferry and take my own inflatable rubber dinghy.
Not sure if in this age of equality that the Women and Children rule still applies.
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Steve H
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See my sig.
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Steve H
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Nice pipes, dubious relevance and taste.
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LeRoc
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Steve H: See my sig.
I tried to, but there are too many m's.
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Steve H
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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Steve H: See my sig.
I tried to, but there are too many m's.
Eh? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Spike
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Get a dictionary and check your spelling!
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Steve H
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Oh, how emmmbarrasing! I'll correct it pronto.
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