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Doublethink.
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quote: Originally posted by Pigwidgeon: What, pray tell, is a pompatus?
Explanation !
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Angel Wrestler
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quote: Originally posted by Mary LA: Or the pleasure of chanting that stirring line from REM's Losing my Religion
'Let's pee in the corner! Let's pee in the spotlight!'
tsk tsk tsk... they're supposed to be pissing against a wall to be biblical. Oh, that's right; they're losing their religion.
I've always wondered why were the 16 vestal virgins leaving for the coast in "Whiter Shade of Pale."
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Kelly Alves
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"That's very profound, Jimmy. What does it mean?"
" I'm fucked if I know, Terry!"
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Zappa
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Fogerty, incidentally, has such a strong accent (presumably Californian, but I've never heard anyone else sound like him. Um ... except the dude I stayed with in LA a coupla years ago. And I couldn't understand him either) to my antipodean ears that I can rarely understand his lyrics. Which is why I always wonder why 'memory and elephants were playing in the band'. But he and CCr remain amongst my musical pantheon.
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Zappa
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Incidentally, despite being just a little bit of a Dylanfreak, I have always been pissed off with his iconic quasi-Christian line 'I am hanging in the balance of the realioty of man / like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand'. Explain again how a grain of sand hangs in the balance of reality? Or a sparrow, falling, for that matter.
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Stetson
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quote: Originally posted by Zappa: Fogerty, incidentally, has such a strong accent (presumably Californian, but I've never heard anyone else sound like him. Um ... except the dude I stayed with in LA a coupla years ago. And I couldn't understand him either) to my antipodean ears that I can rarely understand his lyrics. Which is why I always wonder why 'memory and elephants were playing in the band'. But he and CCr remain amongst my musical pantheon.
I'm not just making a lewd joke when I say that for a long time, the lyric I heard was "mammaries and elephents". But it's actually "tambourines", which really doesn't make any more sense than "mammaries", since instruments don't play themselves.
As for Fogerty's accent, CCR was indeed a Bay Area group, but I they were obviously trying for a down-home sound, so maybe his accent was a mangled attempt at doing that. Without knowing their origins, my Canadian ears would just assume that they were from a southern or border state.
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by Stetson: As for Fogerty's accent, CCR was indeed a Bay Area group, but I they were obviously trying for a down-home sound, so maybe his accent was a mangled attempt at doing that.
They were a bunch of El Cerrito boys ( read- starkly white suburban) trying to act like they were swamp rats.
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Stetson
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: quote: Originally posted by Stetson: As for Fogerty's accent, CCR was indeed a Bay Area group, but I they were obviously trying for a down-home sound, so maybe his accent was a mangled attempt at doing that.
They were a bunch of El Cerrito boys ( read- starkly white suburban) trying to act like they were swamp rats.
One thing I'll note about CCR is that, despite their swampish aspirations, they never really developed much of a fan base on the country side of the rock-country divide. I don't think they have anything like the crossover cache that someone like Linda Ronstandt has.
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lilBuddha
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quote: Originally posted by Albertus: quote: Originally posted by Chorister: Brown girl in the ring, show me your motion
(Eww, no thanks - that's why I never wanted to work in hospitals - please don't)
Now you've got me thinking - please tell me that 'brown girl in the ring' isn't a euphemism for a floater seen through the loo seat
Brown Girl in the Ring.
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The5thMary
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quote: Originally posted by Zappa: Fogerty, incidentally, has such a strong accent (presumably Californian, but I've never heard anyone else sound like him. Um ... except the dude I stayed with in LA a coupla years ago. And I couldn't understand him either) to my antipodean ears that I can rarely understand his lyrics. Which is why I always wonder why 'memory and elephants were playing in the band'. But he and CCr remain amongst my musical pantheon.
Okay, here's a misheard lyric for ya: My sisters grew up listening to CCR and they thought Fogarty was singing, "Sweetie Jahikah" instead of "Sweet Hitchhiker". I laughed my ass off when they told me this story but then I had a chance to listen to the song and it DOES sound like's he's singing, "Sweetie Ja-hi-kah!" Listen to it and tell me I'm wrong.
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Mary LA
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Billie Joe visits the sawmill up on Choctaw Ridge the day before he jumps and does what there?
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Mary LA
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Don't be prissy Zappa, it's not confidential if it relates to the crime scene.
Mama says nothin' ever comes to no good up on Choctaw Ridge. What was Billie Joe doing at the sawmill there except maybe sawing planks and making something? And why did it take two people to throw whatever-it-was off the bridge?
Because it was a little wooden coffin for the baby?
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balaam
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quote: Originally posted by Chorister: Brown girl in the ring, show me your motion
I was joking about how Boney M released Rivers of Babylon, with Brown Girl... on the B side, then released Brown Girl... with Rivers... on the B side.
I said that they got stupid people who don't play B sides to buy the same record twice. Embarrasing because someone in the group I was addressing had done exactly that.
On the subject of Jamaican music, Did Musical Youth really sing about a cooking pot? I believe it was about dope smoking. But in either case, why pass it from the left hand side?
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quote: Originally posted by Rowen: And are we all going to Scarborough Fair, and do we all have some herbage fixation?
And if you want someone there to start making your clothes and doing your laundry you can go and tell her yourself.
My mum often sang round the house, and she didn't have the happiest of marriages to my dad, so I did worry that one evening I'd hear her singing "Ooowee, chirpy chirpy cheep cheep" though why that should announce someone's imminent departure was beyond me.
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Tree Bee
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I believe Musical Youth changed the lyrics from their druggie origins to a blameless cooking pot because of their aforesaid youth. No idea about the direction of passing though.
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Albertus
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Obviously a matter of etiquette. As port passes to the left, so , presumably, dope passes to the right.
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Stetson
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: I think we have stumbled upon some exciting new Dan Brownesque code. This must be how the guys who dug up the Rosetta Stone felt.
Even the parts of the song that are erroneous, and thus prove the writer's intentions to be trivial, could be given an esoteric reading that fits the code.
"Okay, so Kilimanjaro doesn't rise above the Serengeti. But perhaps you know the expresssion 'make the mountain come to Muhammed'.
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Piglet
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quote: Originally posted by Zappa: quote: Originally posted by Nenya: ... "Ooowee, chirpy chirpy cheep cheep" ...
Thanks so much for the ear worm.
You think that's a bad earworm? After all those posts about Boney M? quote: Brown girl in the ring, tra la la la la She looks like the back-end of a bus ...
Although now I think about it, that song does bring back very fond memories of a school trip to Norway in 1978 ...
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Organ Builder
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She showed me her room, isn't it good, Norwegian wood?
So it rhymes and it scans, but what the hell does Norwegian wood have to do with a tawdry one-night stand?
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Kelly Alves
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That never made sense to me, either. I presumed it was an English interior decorating scheme.
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Organ Builder
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Kelly, that makes a certain amount of sense. Somehow, it just never crossed my mind that John Lennon might be interested in interior design...
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Kelly Alves
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Hm. Hopefully Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen is a lurker and can fill us in.
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infinite_monkey
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Pardon me, Paul Simon? Are we denying the obvious child, or are we denying the obvious, child?
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Albertus
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quote: Originally posted by Kelly Alves: Hm. Hopefully Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen is a lurker and can fill us in.
I'm not L Ll-B (alas? not sure), but I've always envisaged it as that sort of knotty pine look that was quite fashionable among those of slightly advanced tastes in the 60s. Maybe a bit like this.
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Mamacita
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quote: Originally posted by Organ Builder: She showed me her room, isn't it good, Norwegian wood?
So it rhymes and it scans, but what the hell does Norwegian wood have to do with a tawdry one-night stand?
Perhaps the protagonist in the song is a male Norwegian.
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Stetson
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quote: Somehow, it just never crossed my mind that John Lennon might be interested in interior design...
The Beatles were actually pretty concerned with home upkeep.
I look at the floor and I see it needs sweeping.
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My mom and dad used to sing a song, and I've always wondered what The Thing really was...
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Judy - love that!
As for Norwegian Wood, I heard it was originally 'Knowing she would' and ws changed to ensure airplay, but that may be a myth.
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by Mamacita: quote: Originally posted by Organ Builder: She showed me her room, isn't it good, Norwegian wood?
So it rhymes and it scans, but what the hell does Norwegian wood have to do with a tawdry one-night stand?
Perhaps the protagonist in the song is a male Norwegian.
WHOA!
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MiceElf
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Maybe its meant to be A Norwegian Would other Scandanavians are available.
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quote: Originally posted by Organ Builder: She showed me her room, isn't it good, Norwegian wood?
So it rhymes and it scans, but what the hell does Norwegian wood have to do with a tawdry one-night stand?
He sets fire to her flat in the last verse - 'So I lit a fire / isn't it good, Norwegian wood?'
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Marvin the Martian
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Word of God (copied from the Wikipedia page about this song):
McCartney explained the title and lyric as follows:
quote: Peter Asher [brother of McCartney's then-girlfriend Jane Asher] had his room done out in wood, a lot of people were decorating their places in wood. Norwegian wood. It was pine, really, cheap pine. But it's not as good a title, "Cheap Pine", baby. So it was a little parody really on those kind of girls who when you'd go to their flat there would be a lot of Norwegian wood. It was completely imaginary from my point of view but in John's it was based on an affair he had. This wasn't the decor of someone's house, we made that up. So she makes him sleep in the bath and then finally in the last verse I had this idea to set the Norwegian wood on fire as revenge, so we did it very tongue in cheek. She led him on, then said, "You'd better sleep in the bath." In our world the guy had to have some sort of revenge ... so it meant I burned the place down ....
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Alaric the Goth
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I liked the (Frank) Zappa version to the tune of 'Norwegian Wood'. It's called "Texas Motel" and is about a certain prominent US TV evangelist (JS) 'caught with his pants dowm'!!
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quote: Originally posted by Balaam: [X-post with BA]
Have you ever tried singing Ken's posts?
I find they work really well, not sung but recited rapid-fire. It's very John Cooper-Clarke.
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Stetson
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re: the Beatles, I've always found the reason provided for the girl's leaving home to be a little anti-climactic...
quote: Fun is the one thing that money can't buy Something inside that was always denied
It would be more poignant if it was something like love that was always denied. But the complaint as written essentially amounts to saying "Her parents were boring and/or too strict".
But I guess pop-stars have never gone wrong pandering to the inflated grievences of youth.
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churchgeek
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quote: Originally posted by comet: you mean there is no South Detroit? my mind is blown.
Sorry I didn't get back to this thread!
The southernmost part of Detroit (not counting Southwest Detroit) is called "Downtown," and, with a few exceptions now, nobody lives there.
However, about 150 years ago, Windsor, Ontario was briefly called "South Detroit" - 'cause it's south of Detroit, across the strait (French: détroit). I doubt that's the meaning of the song.
See what wikipedia has to say: South Detroit ...although I've never heard anyone refer to Downriver or to parts of Southwest Detroit as "South Detroit."
A clothing company, "Down With Detroit," has a t-shirt available with that line, "Born and raised in South Detroit" along with a maple leaf. And I've just discovered this:
South Detroit Shirts
I think there's a small town called "South Detroit" in some other state, but that wouldn't fit the song.
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churchgeek
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quote: Originally posted by Beeswax Altar: quote: Originally posted by churchgeek: Where the hell is "South Detroit"? In the river?
And unless the "city boy" plans on farming, taking the train is a bad idea. Journey was a San Francisco band. Spend some time educating the locals about your hometown.
Well, you can take the train from Detroit to Chicago, which I've often done, or to Toledo (and on from there). I'm not sure whether you can take a train to Toronto. I know trains go under the river, but I'm not sure if any passenger trains do. I've never looked into it. But yeah, there aren't a lot of trains to just hop on and take "anywhere." The geography kinda precludes that.
(Funnily, I meet a lot of folks from Detroit/elsewhere in Michigan out here! You can even buy Vernors here, which is a sign there are a good number of us...)
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Starbug
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quote: Originally posted by Stetson: re: the Beatles, I've always found the reason provided for the girl's leaving home to be a little anti-climactic...
quote: Fun is the one thing that money can't buy Something inside that was always denied
It would be more poignant if it was something like love that was always denied. But the complaint as written essentially amounts to saying "Her parents were boring and/or too strict".
But I guess pop-stars have never gone wrong pandering to the inflated grievences of youth.
That's what actually happened, though. 'She' was a girl called Melanie Coe, who ran away from her strict parents. Paul McCartney saw her story in the paper and turned it into a song. http://www.thebeatlesonline.com/pages/beatles_shesleavinghome.htm
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churchgeek
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Sometimes the ambiguity in a lyric is pleasing.
"I've got a mouse, and he hasn't got a house I don't know why I call him Gerald."
Is it, "...he hasn't got a house - I don't know why. I call him Gerald" or is it "...he hasn't got a house. I don't know why I call him Gerald."
I prefer the latter. [ 05. July 2012, 20:55: Message edited by: churchgeek ]
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Stetson
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quote: Originally posted by Starbug: quote: Originally posted by Stetson: re: the Beatles, I've always found the reason provided for the girl's leaving home to be a little anti-climactic...
quote: Fun is the one thing that money can't buy Something inside that was always denied
It would be more poignant if it was something like love that was always denied. But the complaint as written essentially amounts to saying "Her parents were boring and/or too strict".
But I guess pop-stars have never gone wrong pandering to the inflated grievences of youth.
That's what actually happened, though. 'She' was a girl called Melanie Coe, who ran away from her strict parents. Paul McCartney saw her story in the paper and turned it into a song. http://www.thebeatlesonline.com/pages/beatles_shesleavinghome.htm
Well, the article says that Paul McCartney didn't actually know her reasons for running away when he wrote the song.
Later, after the song had become a hit, she said she had been looking for "excitement and affection", and complained that "my mother never kissed me". So it seems that her resentment went a bit beyond simply not getting enough fun.
As well, she had apparently won a TV mime contest in 1963, and, coincidentally, been handed the award by no less a personage than Paul himself, who would have been a big celebrity by that time. Unless her parents were stage-mom types who were forcing her to do that against her wishes, it sounds like fun to me.
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Tree Bee
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If I have a pair of brand new roller skates, of what use to me is your brand new key?
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Starbug
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I've always found the song Mandy very strange. Shadows of which man? Whose face through a window? I feel we should be told! [ 06. July 2012, 19:03: Message edited by: Starbug ]
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Stetson
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quote: Originally posted by Tree Bee: If I have a pair of brand new roller skates, of what use to me is your brand new key?
Not to mention...
quote: for somebody who don't drive I been all around the world
Big deal. I don't drive either, and I still manage to divide my time between Asia and North America.
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Miffy
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I never did work out what was going on at Midnight at the Oasis, you know,until now. Blimming Wikipedia - takes all the fun out of it.
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balaam
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quote: Originally posted by churchgeek: Sometimes the ambiguity in a lyric is pleasing.
"I've got a mouse, and he hasn't got a house I don't know why I call him Gerald."
Is it, "...he hasn't got a house - I don't know why. I call him Gerald" or is it "...he hasn't got a house. I don't know why I call him Gerald."
I prefer the latter.
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Zappa
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quote: Originally posted by Stetson: quote: Originally posted by Tree Bee: If I have a pair of brand new roller skates, of what use to me is your brand new key?
Not to mention...
quote: for somebody who don't drive I been all around the world
Big deal. I don't drive either, and I still manage to divide my time between Asia and North America.
FWIW I believe Melanie hates flying too
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