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Organ Builder
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After the whole "underdog" schtick, I'm waiting for Evensong to break out in song--perhaps the Co-dependent's National Anthem, "As Long As He Needs Me".
She can play Nancy to MB's Bill Sykes if she wishes, but as I recall that didn't end particularly well.
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Sioni Sais
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I reckon Evensong is more like Bill Sikes evil bull terrier, Bull's Eye. Bull's Eye and Nancy were both underdogs, but one feels sympathy for Nancy.
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Organ Builder
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"Hell: The Musical"
Someone get Sir Andrew on the phone quickly!
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Louise
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The 'underdog shtick' is Evensong's made-up rationalisation for trolling hell threads. Her 'underdogs' are actually 'overdogs' who go around marking their territory by crapping over everyone else on multiple threads on the rest of the ship. When people get fed up with all the crap and speak up about it, Evensong's always there to support the crapper over the crapped upon having any right of reply. The underdog stuff is just her way of rationalising her own anti-social behaviour and her relish at seeing other people having their enjoyment spoilt by anti-social posters.
Of course it's a game to her, she doesn't actually care about other people having their discussions and questions spoilt by Betts and his antics, so longs as she gets to feed off them and antagonise others and preen herself in Hell.
It would nice if she could just be honest about the enjoyment and kicks she gets from antagonising other people.
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mousethief
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quote:
Originally posted by Louise:
The 'underdog shtick' is Evensong's made-up rationalisation for trolling hell threads. Her 'underdogs' are actually 'overdogs' who go around marking their territory by crapping over everyone else on multiple threads on the rest of the ship. When people get fed up with all the crap and speak up about it, Evensong's always there to support the crapper over the crapped upon having any right of reply. The underdog stuff is just her way of rationalising her own anti-social behaviour and her relish at seeing other people having their enjoyment spoilt by anti-social posters.
Of course it's a game to her, she doesn't actually care about other people having their discussions and questions spoilt by Betts and his antics, so longs as she gets to feed off them and antagonise others and preen herself in Hell.
It would nice if she could just be honest about the enjoyment and kicks she gets from antagonising other people.
God save her future parishioners.
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Loquacious beachcomber
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This is some serious hostility on display here.
A difference of opinion, I can understand, but this seems almost white-hot. And from some pretty decent people, at that.
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Kelly Alves
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Hold on to your hats, whatever your name currently is, Moondoggie or whatever, because I agree with you. Kinda.
I don't think the underdog thing is a schtick, I think it's self-fulfilled prophecy. because I have seen times when ES can be incredibly cool, funny, charming, and caring (Y'all, she is one of a handful of people who makes a point of welcoming newbies on the newbie thread. Go check yourself, her name pops up again and again.)
But it's almost like "underdog" is safer. Sorry Evensong, I realize it's hugely pompous for me to attempt analysis this way, but I do get really frustrated at how often you seem to sabotage the cool person you can be. it does look willful and it does look like you're getting off on irritating people, but I think ending with that assessment is too easy. It's not the whole story.
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Lyda*Rose
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Louise: quote:
It would nice if she could just be honest about the enjoyment and kicks she gets from antagonising other people.
That would mean admitting to deliberate trolling, a ban-able offence. I don't think that is going to happen even if you are right about her.
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Anselmina
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Well, I can only speak for myself, LB. And I feel mostly extreme frustration and disappointment. I can't say I feel anything much stronger, like hatred, as I don't think I've had enough of a glimpse of what Evensong is genuinelly like to judge whether or not I'd like her! Though I'm not an admirer of her posting style!
I reckon Evensong's just not understood the Ship sufficiently to respect her fellow posters enough not to drive them doo-lally. I don't think it means she's necessarily a doofus, or doesn't have a future in ministry. It's tempting to judge any poster on their appearance on the boards! But I daresay it's not the full story.
But personally I've pretty much run out of patience with trying to make what I hope were reasonable points with Evensong, and getting dumb responses - and seeing it happen to loads of other much more capable posters; so it's probably just as well to shake the dust of my shoes, so to speak. Again, just my opinion.
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Moo
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Originally posted by Evensong
Jesus was the undeserving underdog in the lead up to his crucifixion.
He wasn't really the underdog. He could have annihilated Pontius Pilate, the priests, and the Roman soldiers. He chose not to defend himself and he told his disciples not to defend him. He was in charge of the situation.
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You know, it is possible to feel sympathy with nearly anything or anyone. It doesn't make them Underdogs, though it could make them Overcats, but I'm having trouble picturing Evensong as a Sweet Polly Purebred, picture here.
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Tortuf
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Laws. I haven't seen anything about Underdog in years.
Nice memory.
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Evensong
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The person likely to win a debate is the person with the best arguments and evidence. Has nothing to do with being ganged up on or not.
You can't possibly be this naive mousethief.
If the above were true, Jesus' earthly ministry should have been a howling success.
Instead it was a spectacular failure.
But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel
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Originally posted by Moo:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong
Jesus was the undeserving underdog in the lead up to his crucifixion.
He wasn't really the underdog. He could have annihilated Pontius Pilate, the priests, and the Roman soldiers. He chose not to defend himself and he told his disciples not to defend him. He was in charge of the situation.
In the gospel of John perhaps. His passion narrative is quite serene.
"It is finished" is rather different from "My god, my god why have you forsaken me" in Mark and Matthew.
Jesus' cry of dereliction and agony in Gethsemane paint rather a different picture.
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Spiffy
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Evensong, sweet pea. I know Jesus. Jesus is a friend of mine. And Bettsy ain't no Jesus.
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Kelly Alves
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quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:
Laws. I haven't seen anything about Underdog in years.
Nice memory.
OK, I am dead serious, and Alvissimo can back this up if she ever decides to grace us again-- I was totally in love with Underdog when I was, like, six or seven.
He was bested by Tintin.
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mousethief
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quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The person likely to win a debate is the person with the best arguments and evidence. Has nothing to do with being ganged up on or not.
You can't possibly be this naive mousethief.
If the above were true, Jesus' earthly ministry should have been a howling success.
Instead it was a spectacular failure.
Um, Jesus' earthly ministry wasn't an internet debate. This is so obvious I'd think even you would see the difference.
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Doublethink.
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Given this, and the absence of Betts - I shall put this thread out of its misery.
Doublethink
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