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Thread: Some rapes are 'legitimate', eh, Mr Akin?
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Josephine
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But as I said above, all this is losing sight of the fact that he was initially being challenged on the question of whether an exception should be made for rape, with the implication that if he opposed that exception then he was holding an extreme position (rather than a consistent one).
It is consistent only if he has worked as hard to shut down fertility clinics as he has to shut down clinics that do abortion.
As long as anti-abortion protesters protest at clinics that do abortion, and call doctors who perform abortions murderers, but do not protest at fertility clinics, and call doctors who perform in vitro fertilization murderers, then they are not consistent.
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JoannaP
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Originally posted by Scotus:
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Originally posted by mdijon:
The implication of it is that a woman who is pregnant is unlikely to have genuinely been raped.
If he did truly mean the latter, then he is certainly wrong.
Perhaps I am letting my prejudices show, but it never occurred to me that his words could have any other meaning.
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mdijon
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One can admit these cases are difficult, maintain that terminating such pregnancies is the same thing as ending a human life and therefore morally wrong, but also show compassion to those who make such decisions in hideous circumstances.
That works for me. I say it works, I disagree with it, but I wouldn't call someone to hell over it.
(Actually that's not true, I did once call someone to hell over it, but I did manage to admit I was wrong).
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Originally posted by The Scrumpmeister:
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Considering who he is, you'd think George was familiar with the CPS guidance on this sort of assumption.
Hmmm.
I think that categorising some of the ideas on that list as "myths", after defining the word as it is defined on that page is essentially saying that those things are not true, and is just as misleading and dangerous as assuming that those statements are always true.
I can see where you're coming from, but after the definition you get this:
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It is an unfortunate fact that myths about rape and sexual violence are brought into the jury room, and form an obstacle to obtaining convictions. It is therefore imperative that we recognise these myths and challenge them at every opportunity.
I read that as guidance to a prosecutor as to how to engage with the jury, along the lines of: "This is what the defence will use to ameliorate or dismiss the allegation, and this is the clear way in which to dismiss such attempts."
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Pearl B4 Swine
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Where are those Rusty Farm Implements when I need em?
Scotus said: The most sensible thing Mr Akin said was that in cases of rape it's the offendor who should be punished not any child who may have been conceived.
'punished' LOL Lets have the rapist, AND the fetus stand in the corner with dunce caps on.
There's only ONE person eligible to decide what trash to sweep out of her reproductive tract, Potus, and it ISN'T YOU.
I'm glad you admitted your ignorance of wonen's insides. Now, admit that we are NOT just a stable full of breeding stock, owned by a Right Wing Male Farmer.
You disgust me. Along with Akin the Asshole.
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If we are arguing whether its possible to get pregant by rape (or, vice-versa, whether pregnancy proves it wasn't really rape) then its irrelevant - but I don't think that is what Mr Akin said.
No? Then what else was he saying? On the face of it that's exactly what he's saaying. What else can "First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." even mean? Do you think he was saying anything at all? Or did he just stand up and say stuff almost calculated to offend at least 80% of the American people even though he had no actual meaning to convey?
Just the sort of uncontrolled offensive behaviour you want in a senator!
Well, if there is one good thing to come out of this, its that his campaign contributions are draining done the plughole of history. He might stick around till election day but you can bet his corporate sponsots won't. Not if they want women customers.
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Leaving aside the acknowledgement that Akin is a total wanker, please can you all stop flogging the dead horse.
Discussion of his statement is fine, discussion of the rights and wrongs of abortion is not.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Scotus:
...the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion...
...is pretty irrelevant, given that Akin isn't a Catholic.
That's true, but he is male just like the decision makes within that religious denomination, and would evidently agree that men are the only legitimate determiners of what women do with their bodies. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif) ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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Uncle Pete
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And here was me, Doublethink, catching up on my reading and arriving at your host post just too late to post other than:
What Doublethink said.
To recapitulate - tread carefully, as we will be watching this thread carefully. If we hear even a distant neigh, this thread is oat toast.
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Don't thank me. Thank no prophet.
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