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QPR are better-funded, more organised, and less fun than Blackpool. My guess is that they will stay up.

Wouldn't be surprised if Swansea do as well, if they can keep on playing the way they played at the end of last season. Though they are more like Blakpool.

Foolish to guess at this time but if there is a vulnerable team among the three newcomers to the Premier I think its probably Norwich. They don't have QPR's money and they don't have Swansea's flair and two back-to-back promotions is a strain on any side.

So I think there will still be a place on the down escalator for one or two Premiership teams and unless a fairy with a magic wand is granting wishes in Wigan I suspect it'll be another bad year for teams with names beginign with "W".

Of last season's relegations, West Ham look like they are spending and planning like a top flight side and they obviously hope to do a Newcastle - who were clearly a Premiership team who had somehow accidentally got into the wrong league and slaughtered all comers until the situation was rectified. But they need to improve their bloody awful away form to do that. And seeing as those away games are going to include old friends like Leeds and Cardiff and Portsmouth and Birmingham and especially Millwall they might have trouble. And of course they are now owned by the same gang of pornographers who almost killed off Birmingham City, so their track record is hardly unblemished.

And Birmingham is currently managed by the bloke who put Newcastle back in the Premiership, so they are obviously aiming for that.

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And I'm reading this great book about tactics.

+1. Marvellous book if you're a bit of a football geek (like me).

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So the Portland Timbers almost tied West Bromwich in a friendly.

“Almost tied.” That’s a new way of saying it.
When an MLS team comes close to a Premier League team (actually dominating them for the first half, and losing only the final minutes of stoppage time) that's pretty good--at least gives grounds for optimism in the long run. And Seattle (our hated rivals) got squashed by Man U 4-0, which makes it even better.

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To be fair, West Brom are only barely a Premiership team. [Snigger] [Biased]

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And Portland's just barely an MLS team (as they proved against Toronto the other day), so it balances out.

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To be fair, West Brom are only barely a Premiership team. [Snigger] [Biased]

They are better than that: The Baggies finished eleventh last season, which was their first on promotion from the Championship. They were (and I suspect will remain) in the 'never gonna set the world alight' bunch with Fulham, Aston Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke and Bolton. Above them were the sides competing for European places while below them were the relegation scrappers.

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Liverpool still a work in progress. Charlie Adam did well but I'm not sold on any of their midfielders being a decent defensive presence. Sunderland is a good crew and will be good to watch..can see them at 6th.

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Went to Millwall yesterday. What's happened to Forest? We were lucky to hold them to a draw them back in February, they were clearly a better team. But yesterday, they were outclassed. A good game for Milwall fans [Smile]

Then saw the Newcastle/Arsenal match on telly in the pub. Boring apart from the ruck. A pity the ref only had one red card on him. Somewhere between five and eight players probably deserved it.

And only last week Capello explained why Barton never got picked for England:

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He is a good player but he is a dangerous player because sometimes you could end up playing 10 v 11. He might get sent off...

Meanwhile, back in the division below, as usual the table looks surreal after two matches. Brighton and Southampton at the top, followed by Derby and Millwall. Pity about Leeds [Snigger]

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And only last week Capello explained why Barton never got picked for England:

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He is a good player but he is a dangerous player because sometimes you could end up playing 10 v 11. He might get sent off...


Maybe that is what is missing in England's midfield. Someone like Gennaro Gattuso!
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[Meanwhile, back in the division below, as usual the table looks surreal after two matches. Brighton and Southampton at the top, followed by Derby and Millwall. Pity about Leeds [Snigger]

And Blackpool too. The Seasiders are on six points now!

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Not looking forward to my Spurs facing Man U. I hope whatever happens we are back in the top seven.

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Meanwhile, back in the division below, as usual the table looks surreal after two matches. Brighton and Southampton at the top, followed by Derby and Millwall. Pity about Leeds [Snigger]

I was speaking the other day with a friend who has a Southampton season ticket and she said they've started really well; obviously they've had a 100% start (now 3 from 3, including the League Cup game) but they've also been playing some great football. Apparently their new Belgian winger, Steve de Ridder has looked very exciting. Come on you Reds!

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I had an opportunity to watch Brom v. Man U on TV last weekend for free: I turned it down.

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Wenger has not yet lost the plot, be he does seem to have forgotten that their needs to be rising action.

If they don't get Euro Cup for next season, would they still draw 60K a match, I wonder?

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Down in this neck of the woods, the discussion is about which of our fixtures the Metropolitan Police will move first. 17th of September is a likely early candidate.

Well, they didn't. Tomorrow is still on - though moved to 12:30 and away supporters are expected.

The police have stopped them selling booze in the ground though (idiotic idea if you ask me) and also intend to close a couple of local roads. They say the District Line is closed for engineering works. Do we believe them or is that convenient? I suppose just convenient as long as the Jubilee line remains open.


So tomorrow is probably not a good day for tourists to suddenly decide to visit some of the dingier parts of south-east London.


As for the match? Well, no-one much cares except us and we shall see.

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Unbelievable!

Aldershot in the 4th round of the League Cup for the first time EVER.

Bring on Man Utd or Man City - we'll give you a battle!

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I just got the football channel here: looking forward to seeing some good matches. Dunno about my side - seems they haven't really got things sorted out yet. [Frown]

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As for the match? Well, no-one much cares except us and we shall see.

And we saw a nil-nil draw between Millwall and West Ham on a beautiful warm sunny breezy afternoon. The game was more exciting than that sounds - much more exciting. There was no reported fan trouble (though there were a couple of West Ham players who could do with someone having a quiet word with them, and yes Mr Tomkins I include you). And we got safely back to the local pub just before the heavens opened and rain came down in buckets.

So all in all a good day [Smile]

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Dunno about my side - seems they haven't really got things sorted out yet. [Frown]

Well they comprehensively whupped Liverpool's collective arse on Sunday. Scot Parker seems to be a hell of a signing for them, and apparently Modric has got his head back in the right place. (And yes, it does help when the other side have two men sent off.)

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I now get the "soccer" channel here, but have only seen highlights of THFC and not a whole Spurs match. Thank God that after beating plucky little WIgan, we are now back in the top six after starting slower than dirt!

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Stoke - where men are men and everybody else is nervous.

What is it with the Brittania Stadium? 10 years ago nobody was talking about Stoke as a fortress.

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10 years ago they didn't have the kind of money to invest in players that they do now.

But Liverpool's loss and the Scum's draw makes Chelsea's early season result look not so bad. [Smile]

And what about Nando today? Scores one, sets one up, then jumps in two-footed, studs-up and gets set off. Muppet!

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Going down a few divisions, would just like to point out that under one of the few black managers in the football league Charlton are currently unbeaten and 3 points clear at the top.

Hopefully, the start of an outstanding campaign. It has actually made me a little more interested in football again as I was becoming slightly switched off. Am looking forward to taking my 5 1/2 year old to Hartlepool / Charlton in a few weeks!

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Why does the BBC persist in allowing John Motson near the microphone? He's providing some sort of commentary at Carrow Road for the Norwich v Sunderland match and there's a player named 'Oolian' playing midfield for Norwich. Who? Yes, Hoolahan. How Motty mangles that into 'Oolian' is a mystery to me!

btw, Norwich have just won, 2-1 with a nervous ending. Eldest son has something to be happy about.

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Unbelievable!

Aldershot in the 4th round of the League Cup for the first time EVER.

Bring on Man Utd or Man City - we'll give you a battle!

And Man Utd it is! At home too - I doubt that many of the Utd players will have ever played in a place like the Rec before - it's like stepping back 40 years in time (which was about the last time anyone did anything to the stadium).

Live on Sky TV too!

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And yes, it does help when the other side have two men sent off.

Could be worse - Bath City have been knocked out of the FA Youth Cup because five of their players were sent off for wearing the wrong underpants.
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Why does the BBC persist in allowing John Motson near the microphone? He's providing some sort of commentary at Carrow Road for the Norwich v Sunderland match and there's a player named 'Oolian' playing midfield for Norwich. Who? Yes, Hoolahan. How Motty mangles that into 'Oolian' is a mystery to me!

For some reason the BBC seem incapable of spending five minutes telling their presenters how to pronounce unfamiliar words. I've seen Proms concerts where they can't even pronounce the name of the main piece!

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That's pathetic!

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Looking forward to the Spurs match next weekend versus the Rangers. FINALLY I shall see it broadcast here!

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That's pathetic!

[Paranoid] Funnily enough the piece in question was Tchaikovsky's Symphonie pathétique, which they pronounced with an English "th".

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[Killing me]

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I can hardly believe we are discussing the fine points of musical pronunciation here on the football thread. My Spurs should win easily over near-relegation bottom half of the league Arsenal!

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[Yipee]

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So, how about United? [Yipee]

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Yes, you have to feel a bit of sympathy for Sir Alex don't you?

Well maybe not. 6-1. At home. One six. It feels nice writing that whichever way I look at it.

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And their next game? Against Aldershot, who have just hit 5.

Surely not a hint of an upset?!

We can but dream....

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So, how about United? [Yipee]

Newcastle United did very well this weekend I thought. Is there someone else you had in mind?

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So, how about United? [Yipee]

Newcastle United did very well this weekend I thought. Is there someone else you had in mind?
City did well. Not Leicester City though.

A weekend for odd results and stacks of away wins.

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And some horrible, horrible refereeing decisions.

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That match last week should have been won by Spurs over Saints two-nil instead of being a draw and we would likely be in fifth. Our defenders let us down!

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And some horrible, horrible refereeing decisions.

United get tonked, Chelsea players are sent off thanks to the kind of acting they have done themselves and Everton win at Fulham for the first time in ages. Oh, has to be bad refereeing, doesn't it.

I prefer ref's making errors to whinging managers, and the Special One #2 is showing himself to be another such.

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Chelsea players are sent off thanks to the kind of acting they have done themselves

I actually don't think that's true. Drogba can have no complaints about his red card, for instance, and the penalty would probably be given seven times out of ten. But Bosingwa and Wright-Phillips were shoulder-to-shoulder and they were both tugging on each other's arm. Shaun just lost because he's small. He didn't particularly act it up, but it shouldn't have even been a free kick because they were both at it equally. But the ref was nowhere near the play would have had a crap view so of course he's going to penalize Jose. Doesn't make it right though.

It also doesn't excuse the two very good penalty shouts that Chelsea had when Frank and David Luiz were manhandled in the QPR box. The lack of consistency was galling - something-and-nothing fouls being penalized at one end while blatant obstruction went 'unnoticed' at the other.

But that said, Anelka should have scored the header, and Cashley had an excellent chance in stoppage time where he chose to head the ball back across rather than shooting. We should have got a point even without the ref's help.

And I'll tell you something else: Arsenal had better fucking watch out because we're going to be fired up on Saturday.

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Oh. And I still can't stop smiling about United. I'd've hated to be Fergie's missus on Sunday night!

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Whatever happened in the first half, there were at least three occasions in the second when Luiz could have easily been given a card by any ref. And Terry induced some selective deafness in the ref as well, who obviously chose not to hear remarks that many officials would have booked him for. The poor bloke was so desperate to look impartial that Chelsea could get away with almost anything. In the second half.

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The last two matches I saw on telly, my Spurs had a win or a draw. Glad Happy Harry's heart is on the mend. I predict we shall finish in fourth or better!

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Liberty and I were having an interesting discussion yesterday, which I thought I would open up here and see what you guys think.

Recently, various high-profile owners of Premiership clubs (most openly, people at the Fenway Sports Group) have talked about ending promotion to and relegation from the Premiership. Obviously, this idea is thoroughly un-British and should never, ever happen. But that said, let's consider the hypothetical: if it were to happen, how would you choose the twenty clubs that form the league?

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Sir Kevin
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Have Harry Redknapp and his counterparts play poker or darts: highest score is number one, etc.

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I was supply teacher today for a colleague who is a rabid Arsenal fanatic despite being of Mexican ancestry. Had he not been in the classroom when I arrived wearing my Marks and Spencer's trousers and Spurs dress shirt, I would have written GO YOU SPURS! ON his whiteboard. As it was, he was only going to a meeting for grammar school maths and waited for me to show up. I gave him a defunct THFC deodorizer on a string and coerced him into promising to hang it on his inside rear-view mirror on his car which was decorated with Gunners (or Arsenal Arseholes as I like to call them) symbols. He popped in after lunch and took off one of his shoes to reveal that very deodorizer inside! Bloody rude!

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If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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What did you expect?

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Precisely why I think of his side as the Arsenal Arseholes! They are a has-been side and were in jeopardy for relegation earlier this season around the time my Spurs roundly beat them.

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If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Liberty and I were having an interesting discussion yesterday, which I thought I would open up here and see what you guys think.

Recently, various high-profile owners of Premiership clubs (most openly, people at the Fenway Sports Group) have talked about ending promotion to and relegation from the Premiership. Obviously, this idea is thoroughly un-British and should never, ever happen. But that said, let's consider the hypothetical: if it were to happen, how would you choose the twenty clubs that form the league?

By seniority. Oh, would that exclude teams south of Birmingham? What a shame.

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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
...But that said, let's consider the hypothetical: if it were to happen, how would you choose the twenty clubs that form the league?

There would be criteria, like Rugby League. Most of it will be based on cash flow and stadium but there would be some regional lookin. There would be mergers (ugly, very ugly).

I expect the list would be:

Liverpool
Everton
Man U
Man City
Aston Villa
West Brom
Newcastle
Leeds
Stoke
Sunderland
Middlesborough
Arsenal
Spurs
West Ham
Chelsea
Fulham
Southampton
Bristol City/Rovers
Blackburn
Norwich/Ipswich

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