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irish_lord99
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Originally posted by mousethief:
So basically any racist piece of white shit can troll around looking for a black teenager to kill. They get out of the car and take a swing at the teenager. The teenager fights back, and the racist wankstain pulls a gun and plugs the nigger.
And none of you conservatives have any problem with that? You're all defending it like it is the way the world should be.
As I had the law explained to me (by a cop who teaches carry classes to civilians and has a lot of knowledge and experience), the racist piece of white shit would still be culpable for at least murder 2.
You cannot provoke someone into a fight with words or fists, then claim fear for you life, then shoot that someone without going to jail. That does not fall under 'stand your ground' as it was explained to me.
However, IANAL.
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Clint Boggis
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Zimmerman had his bail revoked on Friday for "deceiving" a court over the amount of donations made to his defence fund.
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Twilight
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Originally posted by OliviaG:
Is there such a thing as "mens stupida"?
I think we have the answer to Olivia's question.
The article says that Zimmerman's lawyer had him close the pay-pal account and open a more secure account so he must have seen the money. Why didn't he tell Zimmerman he must disclose it? Will Zimmerman have to do time for lying about this even if he's judged innocent of the murder charge?
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Crœsos
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From ABC (the American one, not the Australian one):
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Prosecutors had filed a motion today to revoke his bond, accusing Zimmerman of "deceiving" the court about his finances, even going so far as to discuss it in code words with his wife, and his possession of a second passport, which he apparently acquired two weeks after the shooting.
This is, of course, based on allegations by the prosecutors with all the usual caveats, but the possession and issue date of a passport should be easy to verify, certainly a lot easier than the multiple sources of a pile of money. Courts really don't like it when they grant bail and the accused hides the existence of a passport.
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Golden Key
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I find it strange that no one caught the website income earlier, because IIRC the site was mentioned in the news soon after he was arrested.
The passport is bad news. Was it in his own name??
The way he's going, he could wind up in all sorts of trouble--even if he's acquitted of the death.
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jbohn
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I find it strange that no one caught the website income earlier, because IIRC the site was mentioned in the news soon after he was arrested.
The passport is bad news. Was it in his own name??
The way he's going, he could wind up in all sorts of trouble--even if he's acquitted of the death.
Indeed. Even if the shooting is deemed justifiable/legal, playing games with the court is never a good idea. Judges don't take kindly, generally, to being toyed with- and they've got various means at their disposal to express it.
The second passport is interesting- they generally don't issue one without canceling the validity of any others a person may be holding, except in special cases (official/diplomatic passports, etc.).
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by jbohn:
The second passport is interesting- they generally don't issue one without canceling the validity of any others a person may be holding, except in special cases (official/diplomatic passports, etc.).
From the same news source:
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Although one of his passports was due to expire in May, prosecutors said today, Zimmerman applied for a second passport, informing the State Department that the original had been lost or stolen.
This could get messy if Zimmerman surrendered the expiring, "lost" passport and retained the newer one. Or it could be a matter of simple idiocy, like Zimmerman claiming to not have a passport because it was lost and the replacement hadn't arrived yet. Still, withholding that kind of information from the courts is either criminal or stupid.
[ 04. June 2012, 13:34: Message edited by: Crœsos ]
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jbohn
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In the conversations, prosecutors said, Zimmerman and his wife also cryptically talk about his second passport in a safety deposit box they shared.
That will be ugly, no matter how it plays- lying to the State Dept. to get a second passport is technically a Federal crime, as I understand it. And I'd love to hear Mr. Zimmerman's argument for doing so- other than "I was planning to flee the country, and so needed two valid passports- one to give the court so they'd let me out of the pokey, and one to get out of the country with."
"mens stupida", indeed. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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irish_lord99
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
...either criminal or stupid.
I think with Zimmerman it's fair to say 'both'.
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