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Originally posted by Tukai:
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Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
How do tourists stay safe when there are trigger-happy idiots like Zimmerman there, and the police won't help?
The simplest way is not to be a tourist in the USA. If the "shoot anybody, anytime" culture (protected in law in several states thanks to the NRA) is not enough to put you off, the tiresome entry/ visa procedures should do the trick.
How very sad for you. If a homocide rate equal to that of the US is your cutoff, then it looks like the only sizeable travel opportunities open to you in the Americas are Canada and Peru; the homelands of about 93% of the population of the hemisphere are too dangerous for you.
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When countries as diverse as Iran, Nigeria and Australia (together with pretty much all of europe) has a lower homicide rate, don't you think there might be something wrong?
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Originally posted by Jenn.:
When countries as diverse as Iran, Nigeria and Australia (together with pretty much all of europe) has a lower homicide rate, don't you think there might be something wrong?
Yes. Clearly, those countries are not doing their part to thin the herd...
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Seriously. I've just gone back and looked at the link to the video you posted, romanlion, and with the best will in the world, specifically looking for it, I cannot see the slightest sign of anyone paying any attention to the back of Zimmermann's head. Not the slightest.
They look down at the ground. Up, down, around. They look at the back of his head no more than the back of the rest of him when he's walking in front of them. At no stage does anyone in the video show any sign at all of reacting to the back of his head as if there's something noteworthy about it.
And frankly, it would be quite bizarre if they DID react because by this stage the police have had plenty of time to notice if there's anything remarkable there. That is, accepting for the sake of argument that those are indeed gashes on the back of his head, by the time of that video the gashes are OLD NEWS to the police escorting Zimmermann.
I never said they reacted, did I?
The enhanced video I posted shows specific portions in which the back of his head is visible.
Look again at the original video, and if you don't see an officer check the back of Zimmerman's head then see your eye doctor.
You are correct that by the time of the video those gashes would be old news to the police. All the more reason that the cop checking them out AGAIN indicates that there is something there. It would, as you say, be quite bizarre for the cop to look at the back of his head that way if there were nothing there to see.
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It just seems to me that you're making the kind of massive overreach that betrays your argument weaknesses.
Yeah?
It seems to me that you only see what you want to see.
Typical.
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Originally posted by Jenn.:
When countries as diverse as Iran, Nigeria and Australia (together with pretty much all of europe) has a lower homicide rate, don't you think there might be something wrong?
Not sure the Nigerian homicide rate is credible, actually. And one would want to know the reporting route for the Iranian one also.
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No, I am sure the homicide rate is fairly accurately represented on the chart. Remember, if the ruling government kills you, it is not technically a homicide. Nor is death in wars or "conflicts."
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Remember, if the ruling government kills you, it is not technically a homicide. Nor is death in wars or "conflicts."
Cold comfort. In addition to our homicide rate, the U.S. also has notoriously high rates of incarceration. It is true that threatened executions are hardly ever carried out. But if you are sentenced to such a long prison term that you are liable to die before being released, this is a minor technicality.
Clearly the government itself is easily a threat to freedom. This threat is the original and primary justification for the citizen's right to bear arms provided in the Bill of Rights. I have no trouble at all buying that reasoning. The possibility that anyone considering kicking my front door in will find a loaded gun pointing at his face on the other side has got to be something of a dissuasive.
But does it follow that "concealed-carry" should be a right or privilege so routinely granted, especially when those who argue for it or implement it are hypocrites?
A few weeks ago I was admitted to the local palace of justice in order to renew my passport. Of course, this requires emptying pockets and going through a metal detector worthy of an air terminal, manned by sheriff's deputies. Duly disarmed, and informed that the sheriff's office produced passport photos, I proceeded thither, where I couldn't help noticing that the one and only form on the counter was-- guess what?-- an application to carry concealed firearms, as though it is the main reason why visitors go in. Apparently this practice is quite o.k. for the jungle out there where others live and work; but whenever one has an opportunity to prevent it in one's own vicinity, one gladly exercises it. It is the same in the state capitol. Gated communities are, in effect, another way to accomplish this objective.
If the advocates of such ubiquity really believe that it is a good thing which prevents crime and makes us safer, why don't they assume the same risks for themselves as they subject to the great unwashed?
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Well, this is interesting... quote:
ORLANDO, Fla. -- It was Erik Wemple's blog that first clued me in to the Today Show screw-up. The gist: One of the first segments on George Zimmerman's final 911 call made a context-shredding edit. Here was the conversation between Zimmerman and a dispatcher.
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
And here was what Today ran.
This guy looks like he’s up to no good... He looks black.[emphasis mine]
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yeah, that was bad.
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Originally posted by Jenn.:
When countries as diverse as Iran, Nigeria and Australia (together with pretty much all of europe) has a lower homicide rate, don't you think there might be something wrong?
Oh, I'm quite aware there are many, many things wrong with America.
But Tukai has (twice!) declared an unwillingness to visit for fear of being murdered, and I think a little perspective may be in order. (For instance, the traffic-related death rate in Fiji is higher than the homocide rate in the US.)
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Look again at the original video, and if you don't see an officer check the back of Zimmerman's head then see your eye doctor.
Yeah. That is a different link to the one you provided earlier. With more video, and without the TV station's logo plastered over part of the action.
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Why did the dispatcher inquire into the race/ethnicity of the "suspicious" person?
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
Why did the dispatcher inquire into the race/ethnicity of the "suspicious" person?
I don't see anything wrong with that as an element of describing someone. If police are being dispatched they need to get as much information as they can about who it is they're looking for.
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Of course, the fact that one of the officers looked at the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head proves nothing. We don't know exactly what, if anything, the officer saw.
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orfeo,
Did the dispatcher seek other, more informative, descriptive elements (height, weight, clothing, armed/unarmed, etc.)? Shouldn't the police also be given a description of the caller, who is at the scene and perhaps in the middle of it all?
In a 911 call every second can matter, and I would think that immediately dispatching police to the scene would be of crucial importance. Physical description (especially if confined to race/ethnicity) could wait a bit imho.
It strikes me as yet one more oddity in this thoroughly botched case.
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I agree. Starting from race struck me as strange also. Reminds me of a grad school friend who was always getting harassed by cops (in an uber-liberal suburb of Chicago) because he happened to be a muscular black man and thus "resembled" some random perpetrator.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Look again at the original video, and if you don't see an officer check the back of Zimmerman's head then see your eye doctor.
Yeah. That is a different link to the one you provided earlier. With more video, and without the TV station's logo plastered over part of the action.
Have we been following the same thread?
That "different" video is actually the first video posted on the topic. The first time I saw it was here in a post from ToujoursDan, I think.
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
Of course, the fact that one of the officers looked at the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head proves nothing. We don't know exactly what, if anything, the officer saw.
I think we have a fairly good idea.
All indications are that Martin knocked Zimmerman to the ground, possibly then pounded him into the pavement, before being shot to death. The narrative put forth by race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson will be shown to be a complete fabrication, despite the best efforts of news outlets like NBC.
Trayvon has been pimped out post-mortem by members of his own "community" to perpetuate the fatuous notion that whitey was out hunting him down like an animal. The fact that other black males were by far the greatest threat to his safety is ignored, just like the fact that blacks are +/- 15% of the US population but they are the victims of nearly half of the murders, 90% of those commited by other blacks.
There is no revenue to be squeezed out of these numbers.
As for the image of the US as a gun crazy, crime ridden culture? Fact is that you are far more likely to be the victim of a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US, but at least it will most likely be a bat, a boot, or a knife, and not a gun.
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And every point you raise in that post is smoke and mirror to dodge the point that Zimmerman should not have been harassing Martin in the first place. And how asinine the "stand your ground" laws can be. Hopefully, despite the best efforts of Fox, this will dominate the conversation.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
And every point you raise in that post is smoke and mirror to dodge the point that Zimmerman should not have been harassing Martin in the first place.
I've seen no evidence that George harrassed him at all. It sounds as though Martin initiated the contact, as well as the physical altercation, no doubt because he percieved some slight or disrespect in being noticed as a hooded stranger in a neighborhood with a crime problem.
To say that was a poor decision is a profound understatement.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
And every point you raise in that post is smoke and mirror to dodge the point that Zimmerman should not have been harassing Martin in the first place.
I've seen no evidence that George harrassed him at all. It sounds as though Martin initiated the contact, as well as the physical altercation, no doubt because he percieved some slight or disrespect in being noticed as a hooded stranger in a neighborhood with a crime problem.
To say that was a poor decision is a profound understatement.
This strikes me as every bit as much a leap to judgment as those (relatively few) voices calling for Zimmerman's immediate conviction.
To my knowledge, there's absolutely no evidence in what's been leaked to the public so far to support such a conclusion. What is known by law enforcement or will arise in the course of the investigation remains to be seen.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
I've seen no evidence that George harrassed him at all.
Interesting. So you don't consider Zimmerman's own story to be evidence? Or do you not consider an admitted stalking of somebody to be a form of harassment? By your standards, I guess technically I have seen no evidence that Martin is even dead.
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The woman who slows her car to walking speed and either stares at or questions my son each time he goes for a walk is a royal pain and I would love to throttle her but we all understand that one thing doesn't make the other permissible.
If Martin attacked Zimmerman with head cracking force, whether he used Zimmerman's hair, ears or neck to do it, or whether or not Zimmerman had been "harrassing" or disrespectful, then Zimmerman was within his rights to shoot him. Most such killings are provoked even if it's a case of one person letting their dog go in the other's yard. That doesn't make a physical beating okay.
I'm all for stricter gun laws and eliminating the "stand your ground," nonsense, but I would think self-defense laws are still valid if Zimmerman was attacked.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by orfeo:
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All indications are that Martin knocked Zimmerman to the ground, possibly then pounded him into the pavement, before being shot to death. The narrative put forth by race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson will be shown to be a complete fabrication, despite the best efforts of news outlets like NBC.
Trayvon has been pimped out post-mortem by members of his own "community" to perpetuate the fatuous notion that whitey was out hunting him down like an animal. The fact that other black males were by far the greatest threat to his safety is ignored, just like the fact that blacks are +/- 15% of the US population but they are the victims of nearly half of the murders, 90% of those commited by other blacks.
There is no revenue to be squeezed out of these numbers.
the difference is which is considered
that thing called "crime"
as opposed to
imaginary black crime
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As for the image of the US as a gun crazy, crime ridden culture? Fact is that you are far more likely to be the victim of a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US, but at least it will most likely be a bat, a boot, or a knife, and not a gun.
um, that's a deal I'd take.
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
Why did the dispatcher inquire into the race/ethnicity of the "suspicious" person?
I believe that they're required to do so. Such statistics are one of the ways in which it is determined if authorities are targetting members of communities.
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Originally posted by Twilight:
The woman who slows her car to walking speed and either stares at or questions my son each time he goes for a walk is a royal pain and I would love to throttle her but we all understand that one thing doesn't make the other permissible.
If this is a response to my post, I wasn't suggesting it did. I was merely challenging the claim that there was no evidence "at all" of any form of harassment.
On the other hand, the video of a police officer looking at Zimmerman's head is not evidence that there actually is any injury there. At most, it is suggestive that Zimmerman claimed his head was bashed on the ground (which would, naturally, cause the officer to look). This perhaps supports the conclusion that, from the first, Zimmerman claimed self-defense. Anything beyond that is unwarranted speculation.
What actual evidence has been made available to the public is meager. Once again, the public and pundits need to back off and let a proper legal investigation take place instead of filling the airwaves and internet with what is little more than speculation.
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Originally posted by Twilight:
The woman who slows her car to walking speed and either stares at or questions my son each time he goes for a walk is a royal pain and I would love to throttle her but we all understand that one thing doesn't make the other permissible....
Let us pray this never happens:
"Hey, old lady, quit hassling me."
"Eek! I feel threatened!" <BLAM>
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That's actually a parallel to what I believed happened when I first read about this case and I was duly incensed, but now there are so many conflicting reports about the incident, I'm not so sure anymore. I just hope that Zimmerman will be brought to trial before a jury of people who haven't already decided the case.
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I think we can summarize this thread thusly:
A submits evidence that Zimmerman is a paranoid loon and/or dangerous racist, Martin is an innocent teen
B asks us to recognize that we don't have all the facts and should wait for a thorough investigation and trial
C submits evidence that Martin was up to no good, provoking a fight, and Zimmerman was merely defending himself
D asks us to recognize that we don't have all the facts and should wait for a thorough investigation and trial
rinse. repeat.
Perhaps now we can just refer to the sheet and post the appropriate letter.
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You forgot one:
E Many folks in the mass media have behaved irresponsibly throughout this episode.
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Summaries always sound so dull. They leave out all the fun stuff like dog-piling Alogon, why America is worse than Iraq, which people are never going to visit Florida ever again, and Oliva's colorful emoticons.
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Scratch the grand jury.
Not likely a murder charge then, ISTM.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Scratch the grand jury.
Not likely a murder charge then, ISTM.
Not a first-degree murder charge, no- FL law requires a grand jury to indict for that. Second-degree murder is entirely possible, however- and the prosecutor doesn't have to worry about the grand-jury no-billing her suspect.
(For our non-US friends: first-degree murder is premeditated murder, whilst second-degree murder is murder that was not premeditated. A "no-bill" means the grand jury declines to indict the suspect, thus returning no bill of indictment.)
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Perhaps someone who has more experience with gated communities than I can explain how they work.
In my naivete, I assume that what it means is that no one gets in in the first place without showing up at the entrance, establishing their bona fides, and being admitted by the gatekeeper. As I recall, that is what happened on the one occasion in my life I have ever gone inside such a place. The only other way to get in would be to climb over a high fence, which nowadays could set off an alarm. If Trayvon's family lives there or he was the guest of a resident, then his presence was undeniably legitimate. So what was the problem?
The fact that a whole group of neighborhood watchers (i.e., that group of which Zimmerman calls himself the captain, although he is well-known as a loner) consider it worth their while to stalk or accost people inside a gated community suggests that the residents are not getting their money's worth, doesn't it? Are intruders really that common?
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Usually a gated community will have a gate that prevents all motor vehicles from entering without a key card or being admitted by a security card. Pedestrians like Trayvon Martin can usually enter easily by walking around the arm of the gate. That's generally considered sufficient to discourage any burglar worth his salt since they'd have to hoof it to the getaway car. However, in one notorious case one of our Southern Calif. residents in a particularly exclusive gated community was murdered by hit men on bicycles who were able to peddle easily past the closed front gates. That case is surely an anomaly, roving bands of bicycle-riding thugs are not common in American suburbs. But we have an odd tendency to fear all sorts of things that are quite uncommon, while underestimating the real dangers.
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My small bit of experience was similar to Alogon's: an actual guard in a booth at the gate.
I did initially wonder what Trayvon was doing there, simply because AFAIK gated communities are usually white enclaves. Evidently not true of this one, though.
This thing has been handled so badly that we may never know what went on, which means even more ripple effects and tensions.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
My small bit of experience was similar to Alogon's: an actual guard in a booth at the gate.
There was an actual guard in Bradbury, too, but they don't ordinarily stop pedestrians. Or bicyclists, apparently.
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Once in my life I saw a gated community with a human guard. Really rare. Usually just a keypad you punch in a 4 number code. If you ever had legit reason to enter (deliver a pizza) you've got the code.
Half or more of the times I drive into a gated community I don't need the code, often I don't have it because I said I'd call my friend at the gate if I need it; the gates close slowly, two or three cars can easily go thru when one punches in the code. This is normal, people are glad to be right behind someone else and not have to stop and punch in the code and wait again for the gate to open. No one thinks anything of it when you follow another car in.
Or, as others have said, just walk or bicycle in.
It's minimal security.
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Now this.
Could you imagine anyone fraudulently soliciting donations in Zimmerman's name?
Nay! Say it ain't so!
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Now this.
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Oh, thanks old chap!
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ToujoursDan
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Now this.
Could you imagine anyone fraudulently soliciting donations in Zimmerman's name?
Nay! Say it ain't so!
Not fake, but real, and featuring a picture of a vandalized Black cultural centre (because this isn't about race and all ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) .)
Gawker: George Zimmerman's Site Seeks Donations
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Alogon
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Originally posted by tclune:
Romanlion: have you been listening to NPR? You have unsuspected depth, to purloin Jimmy Stewart's phrase from The Philadelphia Story...
Of course. This morning, the author of The Swing Vote was interviewed. She has researched the 40% of the American electorate whose affiliation is "independent". They have little in common except that the machinations of both Republicans and Democrats
have turned them off. Although they tend to be centrists, there are many sub-groups including what she calls the "NPR Republicans": suburban, educated, moderate on "social issues" but fiscally conservative.
Particularly if party politics disgust you, where on the airwaves but NPR and PBS can you go these days to elude the frantic importuning of the super-PACS? They may be shouting more loudly than ever, but they're reaching a declining fraction of the public. We don't have to listen. Every cloud has a silver lining. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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romanlion
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I don't advertise it, but I love npr, particularly online. This is a place I think should be on everyone's favorites list as well, as long as I'm sharing.
Its superb.
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Jonathan Strange
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Latest crazy development: two of Zimmerman's lawyers quit. Commentary here.
This is a bizarre case.
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When he bears his teeth, winter meets its death,
When he shakes his mane, we shall have spring again"
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Beeswax Altar
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Which raises some question...
Will she just charge him with voluntary manslaughter or take a stab at second degree murder?
Will there be a trial or some sort of a plea bargain?
If there is a trial, will the trial be the biggest since OJ?
Would everybody be satisfied with a plea?
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Clint Boggis
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Can there be a fair trial when there's so much opinion been aired from partial information?
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Zimmerman will be charged with second degree murder. He turned himself in and was arrested. Just heard it on television.
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Doublethink.
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What is second degree murder?
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