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He does however have more of a claim in enjoying the limelight and a successful symbiotic relationship with the media.
Sounds rather like Richard Dawkins...
I did once ask a theology postgrad friend of mine whether Spong was worth reading. The answer was short, to the point, highly negative and included at least one swearword. I took it as a no. Said friend is not at all conservative.
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Um. . . Thomas Aquinas?
Among the more recently dead, Herbert McCabe, Victor White, Hans Urs von Balthasar (in small doses -- Love Alone is Credible is great), Karl Barth and Karl Rahner.
Girard is interesting and original (in an extremely repetitive way), though theologically a bit clumsy. To be honest, I find a lot of current theology quite tedious.
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Origin of Alexandria, Thomas Merton, Thomas Keating.
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I thought this was meaning academic theologians.
Ken Leech, every time. (And Thomas Merton.)
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Um. . . Thomas Aquinas?
Yes. Not mentioning Thomas is like not seeing the mountain in front of you because it's just too big. Oops.
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My preferred author is R T (Dick) France, head and shoulders above anyone else. He was a highly regarded biblical scholar, but I find his exegesis to be very readable as well. More than anyone else I've found that he makes the biblical text coherent and understandable. I also heard him speak a few times, and it was an intellectually stimulating and enlightening experience.
I found out not long ago that he died in February this year. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Originally posted by Amos:
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Originally posted by FCB:
Um. . . Thomas Aquinas?
Yes. Not mentioning Thomas is like not seeing the mountain in front of you because it's just too big. Oops.
But favourites is not the same as great. We tend to think highly of those theologians we count as favourites and probably given them more respect than is their due, but greatness is something else. It requires more than personal preference, it needs to have some assessment of the entire range of Christian Theology and the individuals contribution. What is more they should be someone we have to consider whether or not we agree with them.
Thomas Aquinas is without doubt a great theologian, whether he is a favourite will depend on our character as much as his. He is one of my father's favourites (along with Calvin, Augustine, Jonathon Edwards and Feuerbach) but personally I have not read enough of Aquinas to have an opinion on whether he is among my favourites.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Thomas Aquinas is without doubt a great theologian, whether he is a favourite will depend on our character as much as his.
I can't imagine taking a copy of the Summa Theologica to read on the bus.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Thomas Aquinas is without doubt a great theologian, whether he is a favourite will depend on our character as much as his.
I can't imagine taking a copy of the Summa Theologica to read on the bus.
It is available as a iphone App.
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Well, Thomas is one of my favourites. As well as being great.
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Non-Fiction Books That Have Influenced Me
The Education of Henry Adams / Henry Adams
How to Read a Book / Mortimer J. Adler
Politica / Johannes Althusius
Cur Deus Homo / St. Anselm
Summa Theologica / Thomas Aquinas
The Origins of Totalitarianism / Hannah Arendt
Confessions / St. Augustine
From Dawn to Decadence / Jacques Barzun
The Law / Frédéric Bastiat
The Closing of the American Mind / Allan Bloom
The Consolation of Philosophy / Boethius
De Regno Christi / Martin Bucer
God and Man at Yale / William F. Buckley
Reflections on the Revolution in France / Edmund Burke
The Civilization of the Renaissance in Italy / Jacob Burckhardt
The Institutes of the Christian Religion / John Calvin
Witness / Whittaker Chambers
Orthodoxy / G. K. Chesterton
Civilisation / Kenneth Clark
Religion and the Rise of Western Culture / Christopher Dawson
Selected Essays 1917-1932 / T. S. Eliot
In Praise of Folly / Desiderus Erasmus
Washington: The Indispensable Man / James Thomas Flexner
Autobiography / Benjamin Franklin
Anatomy of Criticism / Northrup Frye
Wealth and Poverty / George Gilder
Life in an English Country House: A Social and Architectural History / Mark Girouard
After Liberalism / Paul Gottfried
The Constitution of Liberty / F. A. Hayek
Protestant, Catholic, Jew / Will Herberg
The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements / Eric Hoffer
The Odyssey / Homer
Dedication and Leadership / Douglas Hyde
The Conservative Mind / Russell Kirk
Leftism Revisited / Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
The Structure of Scientific Revolutions / Thomas Kuhn
The Abolition of Man / C. S. Lewis
The Great Chain of Being / Arthur Lovejoy
The Bondage of the Will / Martin Luther
After Virtue / Alasdair MacIntyre
Jefferson and His Time / Dumas Malone
Novus Ordo Seclorum / Forrest McDonald
Prejudices / H. L. Mencken
The Seven-Storey Mountain / Thomas Merton
Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980 / Charles Murray
The Quest for Community / Robert Nisbet
Anarchy, State, and Utopia / Robert Nozick
The Habit of Being / Flannery O’Connor
Lost in the Cosmos / Walker Percy
The Republic / Plato
Personal Knowledge: Towards a Post-Critical Philosophy / Michael Polanyi
The Making of the Atomic Bomb / Richard Rhodes
The Lost Tools of Learning / Dorothy Sayers
For the Life of the World / Alexander Schmemann
Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy / Joseph Schumpeter
The Wealth of Nations / Adam Smith
The Gulag Archipelago / Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Persecution and the Art of Writing / Leo Strauss
The New Science of Politics / Eric Voegelin
The Double Helix / James D. Watson
Ideas Have Consequences / Richard M. Weaver
Philosophical Investigations / Ludwig Wittgenstein
The Right Stuff / Tom Wolfe
The Autobiography of Malcolm X / Malcolm X
A Student’s Guide to Literature / R. V. Young
Authors That Have Influenced Me
Henry Adams, Johannes Althusius, St. Anselm, Thomas Aquinas, Hannah Arendt, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, Doug Bandow, Jacques Barzun, Owen Barfield, Karl Barth, Frédéric Bastiat, Herman Bavinck, Michael Behe, Hilaire Belloc, David Berlinski, Wendell Berry, Allan Bloom, F.F. Bruce, Martin Bucer, William F. Buckley, John Bunyan, Jacob Burckhardt, Edmund Burke, John Calvin, Robert Farrar Capon, William T. Cavanaugh, Whittaker Chambers, Geoffrey Chaucer, Martin Chemnitz, G.K. Chesterton, St. John Chrysostom, Winston Churchill, Kenneth Clark, Patrick Collinson, Frederick Copleston, Thomas Cranmer, Theodore Dalrymple, Horton Davies, Christopher Dawson, Charles Dickens, John Donne, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Dinesh D’Souza, Umberto Eco, Jonathan Edwards, T.S. Eliot, Desiderus Erasmus, Austin Farrer, Niall Ferguson, James Thomas Flexner, Shelby Foote, St. Francis of Assisi, Benjamin Franklin, Douglas Southall Freeman, Milton Friedman, Northrup Frye, Eugene Genovese, Robert George, George Gilder, Cyrus H. Gordon, Paul Gottfried, George Grant, Allen C. Guelzo, D.G. Hart, David Bentley Hart, F.A. Hayek, Friedrich Heer, Heinrich Heppe, Will Herberg, George Herbert, Gertrude Himmelfarb, Charles Hodge, Eric Hoffer, Richard Hooker, Thomas Howard, Philip Edgecumbe Hughes, Douglas Hyde, Jane Jacobs, Stanley Jaki, John Jewel, Paul Johnson, James B. Jordan, John Keegan, J.N.D. Kelly, Roger Kimball, Russell Kirk, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Thomas Kuhn, James M. Kushiner, Abraham Kuyper, Peter J. Leithart, C.S. Lewis, J.B. Lightfoot, Arthur Lovejoy, Martin Luther, George MacDonald, Geddes MacGregor, J. Gresham Machen, Alasdair MacIntyre, Dumas Malone, George Marsden, Cormac McCarthy, Forrest McDonald, Marshall McLuhan, H.L. Mencken, Thomas Merton, Perry Miller, John Milton, Ludwig von Mises, William Morris, Malcolm Muggeridge, Richard A. Muller, Charles Murray, Ken Myers, John Williamson Nevin, Lesslie Newbigin, Aidan Nichols, Robert Nisbet, Robert Nozick, Flannery O’Connor, Thomas Oden, George Orwell, Camille Paglia, Jaroslav Pelikan, Walker Percy, William Perkins, Benedict Pictet, Alvin Plantinga, Plato, Guillaume Groen van Prinsterer, Justin Raimondo, Ayn Rand, R.R. Reno, Henning Graf Reventlow, Philip Rieff, Jonathan Riley-Smith, Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy, Steven Runciman, R.J. Rushdoony, John Ruskin, George Santayana, Dorothy Sayers, Francis Schaeffer, Philip Schaff, Joseph Schumpeter, Roger Scruton, Herbert Schlossberg, Alexander Schmemann, William Shakespeare, Amity Shlaes, James Sire, Adam Smith, Cordwainer Smith, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Pitirim Sorokin, Thomas Sowell, Rodney Stark, Leo Strauss, Charles Taylor, Alexis de Tocqueville, J.R.R. Tolkien, T.F. Torrance, Arnold Toynbee, Lionel Trilling, William Tyndale, James Ussher, Cornelius Van Til, Henry Vaughan, Paul Vitz, Eric Voegelin, Michael Ward, B.B. Warfield, Booker T. Washington, Richard M. Weaver, Charles Williams, Walter Williams, Edmund Wilson, Ludwig Wittgenstein, P.G. Wodehouse, Gene Wolfe, Tom Wolfe, H.A. Wolfson, N.T. Wright, John Wycliffe, Malcolm X, R.V. Young
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Bloody hell, that's terrifying, Wycliff.
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Wycliff, reading your list I thought you might enjoy this book.
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Wyclif
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Originally posted by art dunce:
Wycliff, reading your list I thought you might enjoy this book.
I've not actually gotten to that one, but have heard about it. Flannery O'Connor is very much one of my fave authors.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
Rowan Williams.
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Yes.
Recently deceased: Herbert McCabe.
And yes!
NT Wright as others have said.
The probably not-at-all famous Iain MacKenzie, whose books I came across by accident in a cathedral shop somewhere in the west of England.
JDG Dunn
Confession time: there are writers I have hardly actually read whose work seems to stand behind a lot of people I have read. Hans Urs Balthasar (not a name you can forget) I've not read at all. Various Torrances (I get them confused). And the elephant in the room, Karl Barth. I have read some of his books but not as far as I remember ever finished one. Even the one - only one - I own a copy of. So I mostly know of his views through summaries or reviews or essays by others. But the books are so big and the translations so turgid...
Last but not least, Margaret Barker. A real eye-opener. And, amazingly, the one time I saw her speak in public, genuinely funny as well. It seemed to me that maybe 50% of what she says is stuff that really we all know anyway, or ought to. Its just obviously there in the Bible, and in our liturgies, and in our hymns and choruses (especially some of the more far-out evangelical ones). About 30% of it is, if not new, at least widely unknown, and well-supported from her sources. And perhaps 20% is off-the-wall batshit crazy. Working out which 20% is the fun part.
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Way up the beginning of this thread the name of Greg Boyd was offered as an exponent of Open Theism.
So I went and got one of his books downloaded to my Kindle.
An awful let down. His theism is only "open" in relation to the closed predestinarianism of his fellow travellers. And the God he speaks of is no less a manipulator of people and history.
So I am none the wiser. A lot poorer. And less inclined to act on recommendations without checking them out first.
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Way up the beginning of this thread the name of Greg Boyd was offered as an exponent of Open Theism.
So I went and got one of his books downloaded to my Kindle.
An awful let down. His theism is only "open" in relation to the closed predestinarianism of his fellow travellers. And the God he speaks of is no less a manipulator of people and history.
So I am none the wiser. A lot poorer. And less inclined to act on recommendations without checking them out first.
Well, Boyd is a theist not a deist.
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Are theologians by definition about ideas? What about principles for living? Where's the connection? other than perhaps theology can advise a plan for how to live.
I'm moving out of the "insight first" way of thinking in my 6th decade of life, and into direction of how to live, and to see if this encourages me in directions that the idea-driven way has disappointed, well much worse than disappointment actually: created barriers, rejection and full crisis. Not the crisis of person, but crisis of having to reject ideas I thought for >50 years were secure.
Thus, I'm reading things about Leo Tolstoy, St Francis, Herbert McCabe, and I find myself drawn into some poetry, mostly 19th century. I'm also wondering about music settings for worship as theology in action.
I suspect others on the ship are much further along this direction than I.
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Boyd has also helped get the Christus Victor view of the atonement back on the agenda,
I hold to the 'None of the above' theory of the atonement. I believe that Christ's death and resurrection obtains salvation for all who choose to accept it, but I neither know nor care how it does so. I think that most of the traditional theories have something to offer, but all have their failings - except the 'Christus Victor' or 'Ransom' theory, which I think is grotesque, and to be rejected completely.
My favourite theologians include:
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin;
Paul Tillich;
J.A.T.Robinson;
Don Cupitt;
Marjorie Hewitt Suchocki.
A nice, incompatible mix of non-realists and process theologians!
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Oh - and Soren Kierkegaard.
Also, I should really have said "A nice, incompatible mix of existentialists, non-realists and process theologians".
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Are theologians by definition about ideas? .
Theologians are by definition about God. Theology is talking about God. If it was about moral living we'd call them ethicists. Though presumably the two have to relate to each other in some way.
Funny how we give different social values to words depending on where they come from. "Behaviour" is natively English and means something rather cruder then French "manners", which is more downmarket than the Latin "morals", and Greek "ethics" are the poshest of all.
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Beeswax Altar posted
"Well, Boyd is a theist not a deist."
I have a suspicion about what that is supposed to mean!
Fact is Boyd (and the people he is contending against) all perceive God to be acting UPON creation in terms of a pre-determined Plan. The only difference being that Boyd allows for a bit of leeway.
I was hoping for a much more Open and "Process" view which understands God as working WITHIN creation in response to the dynamic of freedom and change.
Nowhere is there any suggestion that the sovereignty" of God might actually be self-limited.
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Can I put in a word for Christianity Rediscovered: An Epistle from the Masai by Vincent J.Donovan, reprinted in 2003? As one reviewer wrote: 'This is one of those rare books which change the way you look at the world." The writer's contact with the Masai can be compared with the visit of Peter to Cornelius. In my humble opinion it can be truly described as seminal,
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Unfortunately although one might agree with Spong on a number of issues, he does seem to market himself as an 'original thinker' - both of which words appear daft when linked with his name. He does however have more of a claim in enjoying the limelight and a successful symbiotic relationship with the media.
I have mixed feelings about Spong, also. On the good side (according to a friend who lives in his diocese): The radical criticisms of the Christian faith that he made after retirement were not reflected in his previous conscientious preaching and teaching as diocesan. He believed that laity were entitled to know about the same ideas as are studied in seminary. We laity should appreciate that vote of confidence. He promoted faithful, ongoing Bible study, especially by his clergy. The two sermons of his that I heard were very fine. On the bad side, Bp. Spong has not always been a credit to TEC's reputation in the public eye. I once thought that it was unfortunate that Jerry Falwell declined his challenge to hold a televised debate. Falwell's reply was, "I don't care to lift you up from your obscurity." I don't regret now that that event never happened. Having met him twice, as well as hearing him in a couple radio interviews, I get the impression that he's a bit of a narcissist.
As far as my favorite contemporary theologians go, I second the nominations of Girard and Wink, but several others recommended sound very interesting as well. I'd like to become better acquainted with their thought.
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I like John Milbank and Stanley Hauerwas to read in the bath or on the train, and Sarah Coakley. I'm reading the autobiography of Bede Griffiths at the mo ('The Golden String') which I'm enjoying and finding very good food for thought. Among biblical theologians, Robert Alter is really special.
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Beeswax Altar posted
"Well, Boyd is a theist not a deist."
I have a suspicion about what that is supposed to mean!
Fact is Boyd (and the people he is contending against) all perceive God to be acting UPON creation in terms of a pre-determined Plan. The only difference being that Boyd allows for a bit of leeway.
I was hoping for a much more Open and "Process" view which understands God as working WITHIN creation in response to the dynamic of freedom and change.
Nowhere is there any suggestion that the sovereignty" of God might actually be self-limited.
The main open theism book I've read is "The God Who Risks" by John Sanders - don't know if that would be more up your street, I'm not sure he come massively close to process theology, but I know he opens things up a little.
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Reminiscent of Spong (but quite different) is Richard Holloway. (Just done a quick glance upthread to see if he's mentioned but I missed his name if he is). Bishop of Edinburgh (Scottish Episcopal) until 2000, and known for his outspoken views before then, he has increasingly questioned his former faith and now describes himself as a 'post-religionist'. His spiritual autobiography Leaving Alexandria is very moving, and despite his inability to believe any more in God - at least as traditionally understood - he reveals a deep yearning. More poetic and affective than the dry intellectualism of someone like Cupitt, he has a lot in common with the late R S Thomas, who might well have professed allegiance to orthodox christianity but often lived in doubt.
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Richard Holloway. (Just done a quick glance upthread to see if he's mentioned but I missed his name if he is).
PS: Chorister did, back on 12 April. Thanks for that!
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My favourites are
- Raimon Panikkar and Henri Le Saux (Pioneers of Hindu-Christian Dialogue)
-Karl Rahner (hero of all Inclusivists ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) )
- Peter Wust (not often considered a theologian but a Philosopher. His "Christian Existentialism", though, brought me back to my faith)
Plus Kakichi Kadowaki, Eugen Bieser, Jacques Dupuis, and Keith Ward.
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I can only imagine the conversations when all these theologians get to heaven....
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...especially those who don't believe in it!
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Originally posted by Steve H:
Oh - and Soren Kierkegaard.
Also, I should really have said "A nice, incompatible mix of existentialists, non-realists and process theologians".
Came here to say him.
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Limiting it to theologians who have expounded Christology I have been influenced by
D. Baillie God was in Christ
N. Pittenger The Word Incarnate
P. Forsyth Person and Place of Jesus Christ.
That dates me. But is not truth eternal? They do not all speak with one voice.
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