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Kids have always been heavily swayed by peer pressure. It's a little strange to point to one child as "spectacularly stupid and messed-up"
when all he or she is doing is jumping onto a bandwagon. Or maybe it is not a bandwagon, the kid is unusually stupid and messed up, and the problem described in the article is overblown. Pick your poison, but don't try to have it both ways. I bet that the activity on such sites is monitored by the management and that users caught exposing themselves are shut off immediately. And by the way, if the exhibitionists are as young is they are described, then any viewer sitting at a monitor for two hours eating it up is breaking the law. Calling yourself a journalist and writing on a blog how shocked-shocked you are might not impress a judge and jury.

Six reasons young Christians leave church according to findings of the Barna Group.

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Reason #1 – Churches seem overprotective.
A few of the defining characteristics of today's teens and young adults are their unprecedented access to ideas and worldviews as well as their prodigious consumption of popular culture. As Christians, they express the desire for their faith in Christ to connect to the world they live in. However, much of their experience of Christianity feels stifling, fear-based and risk-averse. One-quarter of 18- to 29-year-olds said “Christians demonize everything outside of the church”.



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More relevant to this thread are the following points from the article:

Reason #4 – Young Christians’ church experiences related to sexuality are often simplistic, judgmental.

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Reason #5 – They wrestle with the exclusive nature of Christianity.

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I can see how reason 4 could be relevant to the discussion, but reason 5 ?
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Because in these multicultural days, it is very hard to accept that our nice Muslim, Sikh, and non-Christian friends, neighbours and colleagues, for example, are going to hell. Kind of like with teh gayz. The fact that Christians often oppose anti-bullying initiatives in schools specifically on religious grounds (presumably because they want Christian kids to be free to tell little Rupinder and Alia they stink of sulfur at recess) doesn't help matters. OliviaG
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I think there are plenty of filtering products on the market if parents have a mind to use them. We've moved on a long way from the world of fifteen - or even ten - years ago when most children were computer savvy and the majority of adults clueless about such things. I certainly don't think more censorship's needed and the UK Government's plans to routinely monitor all online activity are, if anything, misguided. The record of successive Governments (of all hues) on IT and Data Protection has scarcely been impressive.

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quote:
Originally posted by OliviaG:
Because in these multicultural days, it is very hard to accept that our nice Muslim, Sikh, and non-Christian friends, neighbours and colleagues, for example, are going to hell. Kind of like with teh gayz. The fact that Christians often oppose anti-bullying initiatives in schools specifically on religious grounds (presumably because they want Christian kids to be free to tell little Rupinder and Alia they stink of sulfur at recess) doesn't help matters. OliviaG

OK - but it's only people who support double-predestination who would say such things. And probably not all of them. How has such a minority come to dominate this matter?

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quote:
Originally posted by Honest Ron Bacardi:
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Originally posted by OliviaG:
Because in these multicultural days, it is very hard to accept that our nice Muslim, Sikh, and non-Christian friends, neighbours and colleagues, for example, are going to hell. Kind of like with teh gayz. The fact that Christians often oppose anti-bullying initiatives in schools specifically on religious grounds (presumably because they want Christian kids to be free to tell little Rupinder and Alia they stink of sulfur at recess) doesn't help matters. OliviaG

OK - but it's only people who support double-predestination who would say such things. And probably not all of them. How has such a minority come to dominate this matter?
At least in the US, it's because they're loud and well-funded. Conservative evangelical mega-churches have both the manpower and cash to push their points of view; smaller congregations do not.

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quote:
Originally posted by jbohn:
At least in the US, it's because they're loud and well-funded. Conservative evangelical mega-churches have both the manpower and cash to push their points of view; smaller congregations do not.

While there is some truth to this, it neatly glides over the widespread embarrassment of the more "mainstream" churches to talk about their faith at all. ISTM that this reticence has been a long-standing problem, and provided the rich soil in which the con evos thrived in the first place.

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Thanks both - I understand what you say, jbohn, but these are people who used to be on the margins. If as tclune has said there is an embarrassed silence about faith from the mainstream then you will have a vacuum waiting to be filled. Isn't this to a substantial degree self-inflicted damage if so?

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quote:
Originally posted by OliviaG:
The fact that Christians often oppose anti-bullying initiatives in schools...

Not round here they don't. You mst know some funny Christians.

quote:
Originally posted by Honest Ron Bacardi:
but it's only people who support double-predestination who would say such things.

Why? What have they to gain by it? Its the Arminians who ought to want to put the fear of Hell into unbelievers in the hope that they would repent and save themseves.

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quote:
Originally posted by Honest Ron Bacardi:
I can see how reason 4 could be relevant to the discussion, but reason 5 ?
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I think it is something to do with tkem thinking of church as 'an exclusive club' - so it isn't for sinners e.g. those who look at porn. Mind you, plenty of churchgoers look at port.

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quote:
Originally posted by OliviaG:
Because in these multicultural days, it is very hard to accept that our nice Muslim, Sikh, and non-Christian friends, neighbours and colleagues, for example, are going to hell. Kind of like with teh gayz. The fact that Christians often oppose anti-bullying initiatives in schools specifically on religious grounds (presumably because they want Christian kids to be free to tell little Rupinder and Alia they stink of sulfur at recess) doesn't help matters. OliviaG

IME christians don't believe in hell at all. Which is a good thing I suppose.

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Honest Ron Bacardi
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ken asked:
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Why? What have they to gain by it? Its the Arminians who ought to want to put the fear of Hell into unbelievers in the hope that they would repent and save themseves.
Maybe some do, but for the most part that just seems to be the dominant sector doing it in the USA (to which the Barna group was referring). If I'm wrong I'm open to correction. I assume the "x is damned to hell" teaching is intended to underline the gravity of a correct decision when addressed to y.

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Actually, having just posted that, Southern Baptists are somewhat Arminian, aren't they? I have certainly heard the rhetoric from them, so if they are, fair comment.

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quote:
Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Honest Ron Bacardi:
I can see how reason 4 could be relevant to the discussion, but reason 5 ?
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I think it is something to do with tkem thinking of church as 'an exclusive club' - so it isn't for sinners e.g. those who look at porn. Mind you, plenty of churchgoers look at port.
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I thought the really exclusive ones professed not to have any alcoholic beverage of any kind, although I suppose they might look at some.

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I wonder how many of the porn filters out there include the ship on their blacklist, whether for reasons of sexual content or the prevalence of "hate speech" on the hell board.

You know, because we use words like "fuck" and "penis."

[ 19. May 2012, 18:11: Message edited by: Bartolomeo ]

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Probably not many.

I imagine that while the average parent would not be pleased at a child using language like that, he/she would be pretty resigned to children learning such language sooner or later, probably sooner.

What irritates me more is that a person can't perform a search on Google for "pussy makeover" (as mentioned on an earlier page) without getting a lot of X-rated material. There is something deeply wrong about that. I tried it myself yesterday. I didn't investigate any of the links to see if cats were involved.

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Google settings - set safe search to 'strict' - hit save - then google pussy makeover - no problem.

If you don't bother educating yourself on searching, how are you going to teach anyone else?

[ 20. May 2012, 03:17: Message edited by: Louise ]

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If you had done your own homework, you would have have edited your last post to say "safe search set to strict results in 'pussy' being filtered out".

Whether you think that's no problem I don't know. Personally I think it makes searching "pussy makeover" rather pointless.

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Must resist temptation to post link to The pussy cat song by The Asylum street spankers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cod:
If you had done your own homework, you would have have edited your last post to say "safe search set to strict results in 'pussy' being filtered out".

Whether you think that's no problem I don't know. Personally I think it makes searching "pussy makeover" rather pointless.

If your object is not to be exposed to vaginas or to have 11 years olds see porn, then that obtains it, if your object is to find out how to makeover your cat, then you set the search setting to moderate and search for

~cat makeover

so google knows you're looking for domestic felines and not genitalia. (the tilde is for a synonym search)

If you put in

~cat pussy makeover

then you do get hits for sites with the innocent feline use of the word pussy.

Although the most sensible thing would be to search for cat makeover in the first place

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That is indeed the most sensible thing in the circumstances, which rather illustrates my point that it is a great pity circumstances are as they are.
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quote:
Originally posted by tclune:
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Originally posted by jbohn:
At least in the US, it's because they're loud and well-funded. Conservative evangelical mega-churches have both the manpower and cash to push their points of view; smaller congregations do not.

While there is some truth to this, it neatly glides over the widespread embarrassment of the more "mainstream" churches to talk about their faith at all. ISTM that this reticence has been a long-standing problem, and provided the rich soil in which the con evos thrived in the first place.

--Tom Clune

It glides over it because I wasn't trying to diagnose the reasons for the rise of con-evo-ism (is that even a word?). That said- I think you're absolutely correct.

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Thanks both - I understand what you say, jbohn, but these are people who used to be on the margins. If as tclune has said there is an embarrassed silence about faith from the mainstream then you will have a vacuum waiting to be filled. Isn't this to a substantial degree self-inflicted damage if so?

Undoubtedly. Again, I wasn't laying responsibility or looking into causation- just reporting on the situation as it stands. The real question for mainstream religion, as I see it, is what to do about it now that it exists.

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Although the most sensible thing would be to search for cat makeover in the first place

Oh, there you go- trying to insert logic and reason into it. What fun is that? [Biased]

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