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ken
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A friend of mine was a charismatic anglo-catholic before he joined the ordinariate. He regularly did a solemn mass in the morning and a charismatic service concluding with benediction in the evening.
You are also making Oxonian's point for him. Just as a choral office is not "high mass", however many robed choir members and candles there are, and a died-in-the-wool anglo-catholic would not be able to accept it as a regular church diet; so a "charismatic service concluding with benediction" is not the same as a charismatic-evangelical service.
As for the altar call, you are confusing "evangelical" with "evangelist".
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Angloid
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Exactly. I can't understand why so many people confuse 'elaborate' worship with Catholic and 'simple' with Evangelical. Few things are more elaborate than a high-tech praise-band-and-video Evangelical service, and you can't get much simpler (well, apart from a Quaker meeting) than a contemplative said mass.
It's quite possible (even common) to be an anglo-catholic and prefer simple liturgy. Indeed, apart from the mega-shrines and places with cathedral-like resources, most churches of that tradition celebrate the liturgy in modern RC style which is little different from standard MOTR C of E. And besides the powerpoint stuff, many evangelicals no longer have hang-ups about wearing vestments or even burning incense.
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As for the altar call, you are confusing "evangelical" with "evangelist".
But i thought that one of the key stresses within evangelicalism was a personal relationship with Jesus, in one's heart.
Whilst Catholics have a personal relationship with Mary? ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif) Couldn't resist...
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Basilica
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Moreover, while it would obviously be silly for a traditional catholic to serve his or her title in a conservative evangelical parish (for example),
But why exactly? And vice versa? Might it not be a good idea to give training curates a year or so in a parish that's very different from their home parish or their training college?
This makes some sense, but not, I think, "a year or so". Asking someone to do a job that they are not equipped or comfortable to do is a recipe for stressed and depressed clergy.
And, furthermore, I think it's a mistake to think X has grown up in a catholic/evangelical parish, therefore she/he doesn't need any training to minister in that context."
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sebby
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Originally posted by Oxonian Ecclesiastic:
Most Eucharists at S. Stephen's House are celebrated facing East. Their vestments are Latin-shaped, and the principal wears his biretta. The albs are of lace. Here is a picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbradley/3619188400/in/set-72157619631142802
If this is 'modern catholic', I must needs be deluded.
That saddens and surprises me. I have been to many masses there, albeit a long time ago. It was modern Roman, facing the people. Then again, the RCC, who they copy, is going backwards, liturgically.
I don't think one should necessarily see this as going backwards. I suppose that St Stephen's House also has modern masses, and probably even slightly experimental ones. Maybe it should be seen as part of the whole panoply of tradition - variety is healthy. Why not charismatic, Coffee table pottery chalice style, missa normativa, 1662, CW with childrens' eucharistic prayers and overhead projectors, AND Trendentine masses?
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All of the above have, indeed, been seen at the House in recent years.
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The assessment of Queen's Foundation as 'ecumenical, central, fairly liberal' was fairly true of the place as I remember it. Though another poster suggests that there have been a few changes.
Of course there has been a lot of turnover of staff since my time, but it seemed a good mixture of liberal, con/open-evo, and a few high church-ish types, in terms of tutors.
I do have a memory of a number of the Methodist evangelicals complaining about having been sent to a liberal college, resenting the implication that the authorities thought their ideas needed broadening. It was quite possible the Anglican evos thought this too to a certain extent.
But, for the most part, I enjoyed the mixture and the ecumenical element. As each student took on the job of putting together services for the college chapel, it provided great variety, not just in worship custom but in theology.
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