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ExclamationMark
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
I'm not aware of any carefully cultivated image of Harry's. I am British and live in Britain so have I had my eyes closed for the last few years?
Thank you for that, I thought I was going buggy for a sec.
And anyway, what is the implication of "think of the role model", only saintly perfect people can speak up for kids? As someone in the kid field, I want everyone who has vocal chords speaking up for kids.
No - but with someone who works with children and/or vulnerable people, you might appreciate the safeguarding/child protection aspects of someone who behaves like that.
Evidence of that kind of behaviour would be automatic disqualifier for most school posts even if no offence was committed. You'd question decision making skills, maturity, response to peer pressure to name a few.
Yes it was private but made photographically public. At the very least it demonstrates a lack of maturity that isn't becoming for a children's role model.
You might like to try and turn it round and use it as an example of someone who done something they regret and now apologises for -- we'll just have to wait for H to do it won't we. I'm not holding my breath though.
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
This is the issue: a lack of wisdom, control and poor decision making. Not the kind of stuff we want in our officers is it.
If we sacked every officer who let his hair down a bit too much at a party, I suspect that we'd have to disband the army.
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
This is the issue: a lack of wisdom, control and poor decision making. Not the kind of stuff we want in our officers is it.
If we sacked every officer who let his hair down a bit too much at a party, I suspect that we'd have to disband the army.
And certainly the entire navy!
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ExclamationMark
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
This is the issue: a lack of wisdom, control and poor decision making. Not the kind of stuff we want in our officers is it.
If we sacked every officer who let his hair down a bit too much at a party, I suspect that we'd have to disband the army.
How many of them do it in front of a photographer? The "hair down" bit isn't the issue - it's the circumstances and the lack of observation.
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Zacchaeus
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In this day and age of mobile phones, everybody who lets their hair down, is doing it in front of a camera.
And while I'm not standing up for what Harry did - I don't see it as any different to any other person doing something daft on holiday.
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Originally posted by Zacchaeus:
In this day and age of mobile phones, everybody who lets their hair down, is doing it in front of a camera.
And while I'm not standing up for what Harry did - I don't see it as any different to any other person doing something daft on holiday.
We're not all in the public eye and we're not all tagged by the media. A lot of people don't do daft stuff but still get pilloried - I'm helping a lot of them everyday.
As I've said up post is's not so much the action as the unseemingly bias and partiality in harry's favour that sticks. Money and position talks - but it shouldn't.
Take the example Duke of Edinburgh - he gets a very quick entree for treatment, I've been with people waiting weeks for the same thing. Wrong and sickening.
Mary Archer has an op for bladder cancer, she is seen and has the op in a week on the NHS. Great -she talks about it to the Times. Trouble is other people wait 3 months for the same treatment from the same surgeon.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
I think what he used as a cue stick matters a great deal.
That, and whether or not he chalked the tip before shooting.
See? That's the kind of thing he's going to hear for the next five or six weeks...
Hey. Some things just have to be said.
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I've little time for the monarchy but it sickens me that for all people's criticism of the press for their harassment of Diana, they lap up the same intrusiveness when it comes to her sons.
Interestingly enough, when I first heard the story on the radio it was immediately after a story about Jordanian athletes being charged with voyeurism...
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The only feeling this affair (snigger) provokes in me is intense gratitude that we can get all het up about it instead of something horrible that could've happened to drown it out, but didn't. Slow news days are always a cause for rejoicing.
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Originally posted by angelfish:
I think it is so sad that he should behave in this way, after all that his sainted mother, Diana Princess of Wales and Queen of hearts(PBUH) sacrificed to ensure he was brought up correctly. She must be turning in her flower-strewn island grave.
I seem to recall that Diana was no prude and liked to party.
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
No - but with someone who works with children and/or vulnerable people, you might appreciate the safeguarding/child protection aspects of someone who behaves like that.
Evidence of that kind of behaviour would be automatic disqualifier for most school posts even if no offence was committed.
Really? 3/4 of the people in my state would never get a teaching job, if that were the case. Since the behavior in question is simply having fairly vanilla sex with other consenting adults.
I don't know how to break this to you, but I can think of several people of both genders, who I have worked with, who are very likely candidates for a nekkid billiard party. (Big Ups to M. And C, at ___ ___ Preschool) With other adults.And I can't think of one I would have had a problem with babysitting my nephew.
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[/QUOTE]And certainly the entire navy! [/QUOTE]
Heard that. ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by QLib:
Harry has never to my knowledge claimed to be a saint, nor has anyone else claimed it for him. How would prancing around naked prevent you caring about orphans anyway?
And he was not misbehaving in a public place.
[X-posted with The Rogue]
No he hasn't made the claim but his "publicity" has implied as much. We had been fed a diet of "nice young man" to counterbalance the nazi uniform debacle.
No he wasn't misbehaving in a public place but it has become public and made him (and by extendion his family and his nation) a laughing stock. For goodness sake who wants to be ruled by a dynasty who can put their crown jewels into ONE cupped hand?
EM - you have just got yourself another hell-call.
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Ah, yes, "a lack of wisdom, control and poor decision making," in places where strangers are around and cameras are likely to be. All while people rush to the defense siting youth, naivity, and kindness to orphans, in spite of the fact that it's is a full grown adult whose main role in life is to represent the country well.
He's just like his mum then, isn't he?
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Me too. She was a class act who used her own hands to cover the nakedness of her male friends. ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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Before the Victorian era and the promotion of the Royal Family as the ideal example of good British Christian values, few people expected the Royals to be paragons of moral virtue. Good Charles II was well known for his multiple affairs and we all know Henry VIII's luck with women.
Harry's recent incident is tame compared to the incident where he was photographed wearing a Nazi uniform. I'm more amazed by his chutzpah at thinking he could outswim American gold medalist Ryan Lochte in Las Vegas than the photos of him in his birthday suit.
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He's having fun and enjoying life. If you're not the heir but the spare why not say wtf? He probably had more fun than most of us that night.
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Big deal! What is particularly craven is the British press towing the line; not that it would have made me buy a paper anyway. There is no such thing as privacy anymore and I would have thought he would know this all too well.
One argument I always give for my republicanism is that monarchy is cruel on the royals. I fear we might re-visit the old question; "What is Princess Margaret for?" Apparantly getting pissed a lot, being for ever on holiday and the odd dodgy shag. That's a Club 18-30 fortnight in Ibiza; not a life.
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At least he's attractive enough to get away with it. Rather cute, in fact. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Young man gets nekkid, in private, in company of other adults consenting to the activity, in Vegas.
Bonus: young man has a form worthy of admiration .
I wouldn't have done it in my own youth (much less now), but I am so not seeing what the fuss is about. That's Vegas, baby.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by shamwari:
So what do Shipmates think?
Is is behaviour acceptable, excusable or immoral?
Whatever the answer is, it ought to have precisely zero to do with the individual case. The answer is exactly the same for Prince Harry as it is for you, me, our neighbours, the local supermarket manager and the postman.
Frankly, only asking this question when a high profile person is involved gives credence to the notion that somehow it's more important to answer this question for that person than it is for the general populace. A notion I emphatically disagree with. "Man naked in hotel room" is simply not news. And it doesn't become news just because (1) cameras are now ubiquitous and sitting in everybody's pocket 24/7 and (2) someone without a conscience realised they could make a lot of money just because of who the man in the hotel room happened to be.
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Originally posted by Twilight:
Ah, yes, "a lack of wisdom, control and poor decision making," in places where strangers are around and cameras are likely to be.
Exactly how many strangers with cameras do you expect to be in a hotel room with you, Twilight? Suddenly it feels like your behaviour on vacation might be a good deal more interesting than the prince's.
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Left at the Altar
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Perhaps the more apt question is, Is taking a photo of a naked well-known person in a private hotel bedroom and selling it to the press acceptable, excusable or immoral?
Answer: No, no and yes.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Suddenly it feels like your behaviour on vacation might be a good deal more interesting than the prince's.
I should certainly hope so.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Left at the Altar:
Perhaps the more apt question is, Is taking a photo of a naked well-known person in a private hotel bedroom and selling it to the press acceptable, excusable or immoral?
Answer: No, no and yes.
Indeed. Whoever is responsible can reasonably expect to be taken off the Christmas card list this year.
Mind you, it's possible that the person who gave the photo to the media is NOT the person who originally took the photo. There is at least one precedent here in Australia involving a photo of a footballer, and the photo was effectively copied/stolen from the original phone by an opportunist. That is, someone who wasn't actually a friend of the photo's subject and therefore didn't have any ties of friendship to break.
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Left at the Altar
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True, but I'd have thought that taking a photo of a person playing nudie billiards and passing that photo to anyone else is rather to the wrong side of acceptable.
Even the taking of the photo is dodgy.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
[...] Harry's friends are bound to ride him [...]
Or he them.
But as some say, at least he wasn't wearing a Nazi uniform. Seems he is learning.
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
As teachers used to say "You've let me down, you've let the school down, you've let the head down and you've let yourself down."
And here I was thinking that letting the head down would mitigate the offence somewhat.
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Gramps49
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1. Nice Bod
2. He is really a redhead
3. He is more of a sinner than a saint, here.
4. He needs to grow up.
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
It seems that his antics are being excused as "letting off steam" befoe a new posting.
There's a whiff of hypocrisy in the reaction: picture a single mother from a run down estate in the same circumstances - the approbrium from the Daily Toilet papers would be along the lines of "Feckless chavs scum etc."
Most employment contracts now have a clause of "conduct" which, if any behaviour is deemed demaning or disrespectful to the employer, renders the individual liable to discipline for misconduct or gross misconduct. Picture a teacher from Markland High School caught in the same way wearing the school tie and plastered over facebook. Good bye career.
Why is Harry Battenburg treated differently? He's not exactly a good advert for the armed forces.
Bollocks. Can you imagine a single mother from a run-down estate holidaying in Las Vegas?
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There is a wider issue here regarding error of judgement. Is it really wise for a person in his position (potential leader of men kin the military, member of the royal family ect etc) to get so drunk that this should appear like acceptable behaviour.
It shows a certain level of naïveté to think that if you are who he is and behave in that way, then people will not take photographs and sell them for not insignificant amounts of money. AFAIK, anyone else behaving in at way doesn't have his behaviour and genitals plastered all over the press in quite the same way.
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I've never been a huge fan of Harry's but
You missed the final 't'.
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Left at the Altar
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Meh, it's no one's business. So he gets down and gets dirty with the gals. Big deal.
It would be bad enough having cameras dog you all day in public, and much worse to have your buddies snap you tackle-out over a harmless game of nude pool.
The problem is everyone thinking that he ought to be completely different from your average 20 something bloke.
The royals have bedroom romps, wee, poo, fart, pick their noses and do all the other stuff that their loyal and disloyal subjects do in private (and "in private" can mean "with a few close friends"). It may come as a surprise to learn that, when a Prince and a Princess love each other very much and want to have a little baby, they do what everyone else does - take off their Nazi uniforms and shag on the billiard table. The only difference is, everyone seems to want to watch.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by shamwari:
So what do Shipmates think?
Is is behaviour acceptable, excusable or immoral?
Whatever the answer is, it ought to have precisely zero to do with the individual case. The answer is exactly the same for Prince Harry as it is for you, me, our neighbours, the local supermarket manager and the postman.
Frankly, only asking this question when a high profile person is involved gives credence to the notion that somehow it's more important to answer this question for that person than it is for the general populace. A notion I emphatically disagree with. "Man naked in hotel room" is simply not news. And it doesn't become news just because (1) cameras are now ubiquitous and sitting in everybody's pocket 24/7 and (2) someone without a conscience realised they could make a lot of money just because of who the man in the hotel room happened to be.
Exactly my point. The inexcusable behaviour is from those who took the photos and especially those who sold and distributed them.
The Sun has now printed them - shame on them. "In the public interest"?
Utter nonsense.
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Originally posted by Lothiriel:
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Originally posted by angelfish:
I think it is so sad that he should behave in this way, after all that his sainted mother, Diana Princess of Wales and Queen of hearts(PBUH) sacrificed to ensure he was brought up correctly. She must be turning in her flower-strewn island grave.
I seem to recall that Diana was no prude and liked to party.
Yeees. Keep up.
This morning The Sun have printed one of the photos, citing freedom of the press. I love the way they try to justify smut with their high-sounding ideals. Opportunistic money-grubbing scumbags.
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Someone way up the thread said William was a 30 going on 60. I think that is a critical point. If it had been William, even before his marriage, it would have been more of a problem. William is expected to maintain the dignity of his position as the family.
Harry, OTOH, is not. He is in the impossible position of being a spare, having no real life plan, unless some disaster happens. If things go according to plan, he has to find his own role in life, while having most possibilities denied him.
And, for those who have forgotten our history, Edward VIII was a party creature not unlike Harry. He caused chaos because he was in line, and George VI had to take on the challenge. That was a difficult situation, but if they had been the other way round, it would not have caused any real constitutional problems.
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Originally posted by angelfish:
This morning The Sun have printed one of the photos, citing freedom of the press. I love the way they try to justify smut with their high-sounding ideals. Opportunistic money-grubbing scumbags.
Yes, well, News International thought the "freedom of the press" meant that they could tap into the mobile phones of anyone they pleased, even murder victims.
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Nowhere have I seen or heard any comment on the morality of what he did.
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Moralality? To quote a former tennis star 'are you serious?' Perhaps we should cover our piano legs as it is only 2012.
To bring in 'morality', perhaps we ought to have the identity of the person who decided to sell the photographs and earn about £10,000 out of them. Publish a photo of the person(s). Let's see.
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Originally posted by Cod:
[QUOTE]1. Bollocks.
2. Can you imagine a single mother from a run-down estate holidaying in Las Vegas?
1. Quite right - that's what he appeared to be grasping.
2. Location and actual behaviour are immaterial. it's the differential response that is the worst part about the whole thing. Perhaps one person's high jinks and skinny dipping really is another's feckless behaviour, bad example and obnoxious nudity.
The other point - that few people have picked up on - is that Prince Charles allegedly asked for the pictures not to be reported. They weren't, at least until the Sun broke ranks. I'm surprised that the Express hasn't run a Diana story on the back of it.
What gives him the right to make those kind of demands - no "ordinary" UK citizen has that opportunity or even that power. That has made the whole sad issue even sadder.
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Left at the Altar
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If someone handed photos of me starkers to the press, I think I'd ask for them not to be published too.
Demand and ask are not quite the same.
I think every person has the right to ask that nude photos of them are kept off the front page.
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Let's publish a photo of the person who SOLD the pictures to the press. And publish their address.
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Mark Betts
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
What gives him the right to make those kind of demands?
**NEWSFLASH**
Charles is Harry's dad in case anyone was unaware!
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(S)pike couchant
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It's probably worth pointing out that HRH never wore a 'Nazi uniform', i.e. a uniform that was ever at any point in history associated with membership of the NSDP. What he did wear was an Afrika Korps uniform. It's an important distinction, because the Afrika Korps was a regular army unit and its commander was never a member of the Nazi Party and was indeed no great fan of Adolf Hitler. Indeed, the Afrika Korps was perhaps the only major unit of the German armed forces during the Second World War that has been treated largely sympathetically by Anglo-American popular culture, and not wholly undeservedly so. Rommel's claim that the North African campaign was 'Krieg ohne Hass [war without hatred]' was, of course, not true — there has never been a war without hatred — but efforts were made to ensure that it was fought with greater respect for humanitarian conventions than was normal during the Second World War.
Rommel is widely admired amongst professional soldiers, as he was admired by his contemporary enemies, so an officer cadet like Henry Wales would certainly know all of this.
As a choice of costume, it didn't show great judgement, but it is emphatically not the case that he went around dressed as a Concentration Camp guard or something like that.
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QLib
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...Prince Charles allegedly asked for the pictures not to be reported. They weren't, at least until the Sun broke ranks. ... What gives him the right to make those kind of demands - no "ordinary" UK citizen has that opportunity or even that power. That has made the whole sad issue even sadder.
To ask is one thing, to demand is another and to have the power to force people to comply is yet another. He was entitled to ask; he did not have the power to insist.
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ecumaniac
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
Evidence of that kind of behaviour would be automatic disqualifier for most school posts even if no offence was committed. You'd question decision making skills, maturity, response to peer pressure to name a few.
IWell, It shouldn't be.
But I'm just grumpy that I have to go to a lot of pains to make sure that no photos are taken of me when I'm cavorting naked in hotel rooms. (Step 1 generally involves not cavorting with random girls picked up in the hotel bar)
[ 24. August 2012, 10:05: Message edited by: ecumaniac ]
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sebby
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
I'm not aware of any carefully cultivated image of Harry's. I am British and live in Britain so have I had my eyes closed for the last few years?
Thank you for that, I thought I was going buggy for a sec.
And anyway, what is the implication of "think of the role model", only saintly perfect people can speak up for kids? As someone in the kid field, I want everyone who has vocal chords speaking up for kids.
No - but with someone who works with children and/or vulnerable people, you might appreciate the safeguarding/child protection aspects of someone who behaves like that.
Evidence of that kind of behaviour would be automatic disqualifier for most school posts even if no offence was committed. You'd question decision making skills, maturity, response to peer pressure to name a few.
It might well disqualify for school posts these days - as such a view is such neo-Victorian bollocks.
I didn't need to do anything more than a quick scan of the post to know that the phrases 'vulnerable' and 'safe-guarding' would appear somewhere in quick and breathless succession.
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beatmenace
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I was wondering if the Royal Bodyguards were doing during this. Where i work you can't get into some parts of the organisation without handing over your phones to security, so wouldnt it have made sense for HRH's goons to confiscate any phones - preumably they are Special Branch and would have had a good idea of what was happening - they are picked for being smart. They should certainly have done so afterwards if it was known that photographs were actually taken. (Doesnt exclude the possibility of MMS being sent out though).
Although its quite possible they were not aware of it which is even more of a glitch. Now its known you can get to this member of the Royals with a simple 'Honey Trap', potential kidnappers will no doubt have taken note carefully.
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Matt Black
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Harry is fast-becoming this generation of Royals' Randy Andy.
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bib
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Harry is a very silly young man who has made too many bad choices. I think it is time the Family pulled him into line.
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