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Left at the Altar
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His family?
His father wished he was a tampon.
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QLib
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There is a wider issue here regarding error of judgement. Is it really wise for a person in his position (potential leader of men kin the military, member of the royal family ect etc) to get so drunk that this should appear like acceptable behaviour.
I'm stone-cold sober, and I think it's acceptable behaviour. And there's no law against getting drunk, either; his only military/royal obligation is not to do it while he's on duty or in public.
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Sine Nomine
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If you're going to have naked pictures of yourself published worldwide better to have it happen while you're in your 20s.
But I truly can't understand how Prince Harry could not know that people are waiting to take advantage of him. You would think this is something he would've learned from earliest childhood.
My understanding is that this is why his father and grandmother pretty much only socialize with people of similar backgrounds to theirs whom they've known since childhood and trust. Not casual pick ups at a resort hotel swimming pool.
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daisymay
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I think that it should be forbidden to take and public the photos of anyone who are not at that time wearing no clothes, particularly of young ones. Just because he belongs in the Queen and King family, there seems to be lots of publicity about them. It's more available than it used to be before computers and mobiles and TV etc etc.
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sebby
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Originally posted by beatmenace:
I was wondering if the Royal Bodyguards were doing during this. Where i work you can't get into some parts of the organisation without handing over your phones to security, so wouldnt it have made sense for HRH's goons to confiscate any phones - preumably they are Special Branch and would have had a good idea of what was happening - they are picked for being smart. They should certainly have done so afterwards if it was known that photographs were actually taken. (Doesnt exclude the possibility of MMS being sent out though).
Although its quite possible they were not aware of it which is even more of a glitch. Now its known you can get to this member of the Royals with a simple 'Honey Trap', potential kidnappers will no doubt have taken note carefully.
It is probably time for Harry's polics special protection team to bow out in favour of something more professional run by the military.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Daisy May, do you quite mean what you actually said ... that it should be forbidden to take photos of people who are not wearing no clothes?
The mind boggles! I can certainly think of many politicians and celebs who I would far rather see clothed, thank you very much.
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sebby
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haha agreed. But this is 2012 not 1897 (VICTORIA's diamond jubilee).
If one doesn't like naked pictures then don't take any. Or use the off button. Or don't pull magazines off the top shelf guiltily looking around to see if anyone is watching.
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QLib
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
I truly can't understand how Prince Harry could not know that people are waiting to take advantage of him. You would think this is something he would've learned from earliest childhood.
Yes, but he might have decided not to let that fact rule his life. Ok, so it was still unwise but, as long as we in Britain have royals, do we really prefer them to have the kind of narrow and restricted circle you describe? quote:
... only socialize with people of similar backgrounds to theirs whom they've known since childhood and trust.
I think that's intolerable in twenty-first century society - besides, if that had been the case, William would never have married Kate.
It's possible that Harry has over-relaxed a bit, following the phone-hacking revelations, which meant that they had wrongly been suspecting friends and other acquaintances of at best indiscretion and at worst betrayal. If he made a conscious decision to trust people and take the risk that goes with that, then I take my hat off to him (or would do, if it wasn't for the Quaker 'hat honour' thing. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) )
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Originally posted by (S)pike couchant:
It's probably worth pointing out that HRH never wore a 'Nazi uniform', i.e. a uniform that was ever at any point in history associated with membership of the NSDP. What he did wear was an Afrika Korps uniform. It's an important distinction, because the Afrika Korps was a regular army unit and its commander was never a member of the Nazi Party and was indeed no great fan of Adolf Hitler. Indeed, the Afrika Korps was perhaps the only major unit of the German armed forces during the Second World War that has been treated largely sympathetically by Anglo-American popular culture, and not wholly undeservedly so. Rommel's claim that the North African campaign was 'Krieg ohne Hass [war without hatred]' was, of course, not true — there has never been a war without hatred — but efforts were made to ensure that it was fought with greater respect for humanitarian conventions than was normal during the Second World War.
Rommel is widely admired amongst professional soldiers, as he was admired by his contemporary enemies, so an officer cadet like Henry Wales would certainly know all of this.
As a choice of costume, it didn't show great judgement, but it is emphatically not the case that he went around dressed as a Concentration Camp guard or something like that.
For heavens sake he was at a fancy dress party - does it really matter if he went as an Afrika Corps soldier, Rommel, Adolf Hitler, Eva Braun or the devil himself?
I once went to one as Che Guevara but I can assure you I was not identifying myself with his politics in doing so. Slightly annoyingly most of the other guests thought I was Frank Spencer.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
Ah, yes, "a lack of wisdom, control and poor decision making," in places where strangers are around and cameras are likely to be.
Exactly how many strangers with cameras do you expect to be in a hotel room with you, Twilight? Suddenly it feels like your behaviour on vacation might be a good deal more interesting than the prince's.
See, I wouldn't invite all my new best friends I'd just met in the hotel bar up to my room and trust them not to take my picture after I took all my clothes off. And I'm not even a famous person and as far as I know AARP magazine doesn't do centerfolds so there wouldn't be all that much money in it for the photographer.
Irregardless of Henry VIII's cavorting and Adam and Eve's swiving in the nude, Prince Harry, God bless his freckled bum, has every reason in the world to know that every single thing he does is of interest to the press and possibly embarrassing to his family. He's just dumb sometimes is all.
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Left at the Altar
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1. Irregardless isn't a word. At least, not a proper word.
2. Why should he not be able to get his kit off without fear of it being on the front page of a rag the next day?
3. How do you know he just met them?
4. Even if you were famous, no one would want to take snaps of you in the nuddy. Me neither. So we are hardly qualified to judge.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Both Prince Charles and Angela Merkel were (separately) nude victims of photography, albeit with telefoto lenses, so it is nothing too revolutionary--- although perhaps Prince Harry's physique would attract more interest among the prurient and curious.
Photographs of the Passion-bearing saints Nicholas and Alexei taken while skinnydipping are also available. There is a photograph of the nude Pierre Trudeau emerging from the lake on one of his canoeing trips but it is not in the public domain, owing to its pre-digital existence and the care with which it is guarded.
Still, as our local barista noted after she had posed for a photography student friend, she takes satisfaction in knowing that she is no longer blackmailable. When asked what she would do should they surface on the net, she told the two of us waiting for our cortados that she would insist on an archival-quality print for her files. I think that this is useful advice.
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Sine Nomine
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
I truly can't understand how Prince Harry could not know that people are waiting to take advantage of him. You would think this is something he would've learned from earliest childhood.
Yes, but he might have decided not to let that fact rule his life. Ok, so it was still unwise but, as long as we in Britain have royals, do we really prefer them to have the kind of narrow and restricted circle you describe?
"Not letting that fact rule his life" sounds great but reminds me of gay friends in the 80s who said they wouldn't use condoms because "You wouldn't take a shower wearing a raincoat." Of course they're all dead now. Sometimes those catchy phrases don't work out so well in practice. I agree there certainly should be a balance between button-downed fear and reasonable prudence. In his position I would want to err on the side of caution because the fall out from lack of caution surely cancels out the fun of throwing caution to the wind. Of course if he was drunk he was making crappy decisions anyway. I've done plenty of things drunk I knew better than to do sober.
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
... only socialize with people of similar backgrounds to theirs whom they've known since childhood and trust.
I think that's intolerable in twenty-first century society - besides, if that had been the case, William would never have married Kate.
Intolerable to whom? To your idea of whom the royal family should be friends with? My best friends are certainly drawn from people I grew up with. Frankly the fact that there's never been a 'tell all' book about the queen shows (to me) that she picks her friends wisely. As to William and Kate, he took his time there ("Waity Katie") presumably to be sure. And he did meet her at university, not at a hotel pool in Vegas.
William and Harry do seem to be replaying Lilibet and Margaret Rose. Good prince/Bad prince.
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Sine Nomine
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Originally posted by Left at the Altar:
2. Why should he not be able to get his kit off without fear of it being on the front page of a rag the next day?
That's disingenuous, LATA. There are plenty of ways he could get his kit off without fear of it being on the front page of a rag the next day. This wasn't one of them however and he was foolish to think it was.
(I know 'irregardless' isn't a proper word, but it should be.)
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Twilight
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Originally posted by Left at the Altar:
1. Irregardless isn't a word. At least, not a proper word.
Now I see why you can't bring yourself to admit that Harry did a silly thing. You've saved all your judgmentalism for people who use incorrect words.
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2. Why should he not be able to get his kit off without fear of it being on the front page of a rag the next day?
Because he's a member of the British royal family. Why can't I live in a castle with lots of servants and have tons of money? Because I'm not.
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3. How do you know he just met them?
Said so in the paper.
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4. Even if you were famous, no one would want to take snaps of you in the nuddy. Me neither. So we are hardly qualified to judge.
I already said as much, no need to rub it in, although I don't see how no one wanting to take our pictures makes us less qualified to judge. You sound as though you think Harry posed willingly in exchange for money. Are you confusing him with this month's Playmate?
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Alogon
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Originally posted by Cod:
Bollocks. Can you imagine a single mother from a run-down estate holidaying in Las Vegas?
Probably not (I've lost track of what point one is trying to make with this image), because she can't afford to go there. But millions of people can and do. It must be said that many of these people do things in Las Vegas that they wouldn't do elsewhere. Las Vegas does that to people.
If you have never been in Las Vegas, you have no idea of the atmosphere deliberately created by the towering casinos and other corporate influences out to bleed you white. In this playground, the power of Vance Packard's "hidden persuaders" is focused on its visitors by some of the wiliest and most well-heeled corporate interests in the world. It can be seen at its most intense and insidious. Needless to say, not all of it is even hidden. Some of it is inescapably blatent, but be assured that everything you can see is just the tip of an iceberg.
Part of the process is a bidding to kick up your heels and see what you can get away with. I remember, having been there at about Harry's age and done a thing or two myself that I'd rather not think about.
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Sine Nomine
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(I keep hoping someone will try and sneak a picture of me in the locker room of the Y so I can be outraged and flattered all at the same time, but there does indeed seem to be a lack of interest, more's the pity.)
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Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras
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Originally posted by Left at the Altar:
His family?
His father wished he was a tampon.
Wished he were a tampon. Please use the proper subjunctive form.
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lilBuddha
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Skipping whether he should have done what he did, the location of said actions does not excuse anything.
Las Vegas is not like The Hangover, it is not like the commercials. Buying into any of that says more about the customer than the salesman.
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Sine Nomine
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
the location of said actions does not excuse anything.
No, but strip pool in Southend-on-Sea doesn't sound nearly as sinful – or exciting.
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sebby
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Whether his action was prudent or not is one thing, but all he did was take his clothes off and get pissed.
We all know he is royal, and popular, but he is doing no more than soldiers do off duty.
I remember decompression after returning from Afghanistan in Cyprus. The stage was rushed by most of 40 Commando Royal Marines stark naked. They stayed like that the whole evening and so did their officers. Photos were taken. No officers on that occasion happened to be royal, so there was no media or prurient public interest. There was no violence, no unpleasantness, and as there was a five can rule, no drunkeness. Oh, to please those who want to be morally outraged so easily in 2012, I think a few people...how can I dare tell you?...smoked cigarettes.
When the army trains in BATUS (British Army Training Unit Suffield) in Canada for a couple of months or longer at a time, it is quite common for squaddies to go to Las Vagas and sometimes blow the whole month's salary or more. They are not particularly privileged financially, as they are paid less than traffic wardens.
It may well have been that Harry had just finished his time in BATUS. He has certainly trained there, and done his own fair share of cleaning floors and non glamorous non royal (but military) admin.
As for making it a case of good prince/bad prince, or slurring his character, just lighten up a bit. I doubt that many shipmates (male) wear stained cardigans and shuffle around in slippers and are called Victor Meldrew, or (female) have buns and thick specs, thick black stockings, flat shoes and a school marmish manner, but the posts on this topic do suggest it somewhat.
So Harry showed his willy. Big deal - and I gather it wasn't.
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Originally posted by George Spigot:
Being naked with another adult in a hotel room can disqualify you from working with children? Is this true?
As far as I am aware - not yet. But I am not entirely sure.
However it just might be that there are a few human beings, not many but in Britain at least quite noisy and sometimes influential, who have either (a) inherited a rather nasty malicious gene or (b) been the product of a fairly distorted nurture or a combination of both, who would like to see this as true.
Now that homosexuality is seen - certainly amongst most of the young - as no big deal and a part of the variety of the human condition, the muggles who suffer from (a) or (b) or both, seem to have transferred their loathing and dislike from gay people and non married consensing adults, to seeing a child molester under every bed, or a potential abuser lurking behind the visage of anyone they might regard as having a more interesting life than themselves.
They are skillful in harnessing a contemporary obesssion with anything that has the word 'child' or 'vulnerable' in it to their own prejudice and po-facedness, to produce an atmosphere of suspicion and nastiness that some - some - have take seriously.
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Alogon
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Skipping whether he should have done what he did, the location of said actions does not excuse anything.
Why doesn't it, at least in part? We're not talking about breaking the law, you know. All I'm saying is that people don't just happen to do silly things in Las Vegas. They are systematically inveigled to let down their guard by sophisticated means that we can barely appreciate without a degree in marketing psychology. This is by careful design. Only the success of these techniques can explain the existence of this burgeoning metropolis in a desert in the middle of nowhere, with merely finding enough water for everyone to drink a major headache. It's the biggest monument to frivolous folly in the western hemisphere, of not the world.
The larger question to ask is what business a member of the British royal family has there in the first place. Is he there officially? Whose idea was it? Never to vacation in such a useless place would be my advice to anyone.
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Originally posted by Alogon:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Skipping whether he should have done what he did, the location of said actions does not excuse anything.
The larger question to ask is what business a member of the British royal family has there in the first place. Is he there officially? Whose idea was it? Never to vacation in such a useless place would be my advice to anyone.
See a couple of posts back.
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Originally posted by bib:
Harry is a very silly young man who has made too many bad choices. I think it is time the Family pulled him into line.
Why? He's not behaving any differently from many of his ancestors.
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Sodom and Gomorrah should consider themselves distinctly hard done by considering what Las Vegas seems to get away with.
If Prince Harry wanted to frolic with other billiards playing naturists he would have been better served by a German spa where nobody would have batted an eye. Bad Staffelstein is very nice and low key and is close to his ancestral home of Coburg.
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Originally posted by Cod:
Can you imagine a single mother from a run-down estate holidaying in Las Vegas?
If she lived in the American equivalent near me, definitely, especially this time of year. Right now you can get a room for one adult and two children at Circus Circus (very kid-friendly place) for $24/night, and the round-trip drive from SoCal would cost $65 in gas (that's in my 21-year-old car -- it would be more in a car with a/c). I know lots of people who don't have much money who go to Vegas; it can be a very affordable vacation.
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ISTM that Harry is doing exactly what royal second sons have done for centuries: fill up the non-official time with entertainment
For instance, that was the job that the man who became Henry VIII had until his older brother died.
In other times, the actual heir had to do this, Edward VII because he had to wait for over 50 years, and Charles II because he had to something while in exile.
Similarly, ISTM that officers are just as likely as "other ranks" to let off steam, as has been pointed out upthread. Even your basic mess dinner has been known to get a little strange on occasion.
Strip billiards is a bit of a new twist, but times have changed somewhat. Any of the above-mentioned wpould have throughly enjoyed it, I'm sure.
And what else would they do to keep the rest of "us" interested? Read excerpts from Hansard?
There is an issue with the taking and publicising of the photos, but the royal participation is just "business as usual".
At least, unlike the rest of his family, and too many of the posters here, he is relentlessly cheerful.
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@Sine Nomine
That has got to be the most confused comparison I have ever heard in my entire life. Not letting the press dictate how you live your life is like dyeing of aids because you decided not to wear a condom?
Really?
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by bib:
Harry is a very silly young man who has made too many bad choices. I think it is time the Family pulled him into line.
Why? He's not behaving any differently from many of his ancestors.
.. including some very recent ones. Wisdom and restraint are rare in the British royal family and Harry has a bit of a track record: what's the news story?
I expect his commanding officer will have a quiet word with him, and he may find a 'miscellaneous item' on his mess bill.
eta: Horseman Bree posted:
'Similarly, ISTM that officers are just as likely as "other ranks" to let off steam, as has been pointed out upthread. Even your basic mess dinner has been known to get a little strange on occasion.'
I have more knowledge of the goings-on in RAF Sergeants' messes, and they tend to be older and more staid than the young bucks in the Blue and Royals, but a 'German Night' during the South Atlantic war was pretty chaotic. Something to do with a consignment of schnappes and an announcement that Goose Green had been retaken.
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
What gives him the right to make those kind of demands?
**NEWSFLASH**
Charles is Harry's dad in case anyone was unaware!
There has been speculation as to whether that is the case.
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Mark Betts
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
**NEWSFLASH**.....
No pun intended, in case anyone was wondering.
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It seems there is speculation that the photos may have been doctored.
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Mark Betts
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
What gives him the right to make those kind of demands?
**NEWSFLASH**
Charles is Harry's dad in case anyone was unaware!
There has been speculation as to whether that is the case.
Oh yes, I'd forgotten about the ginger Major James Hewitt - and he was pretty thick as well! Then again, there's nothing other than wild rumours in the public domain, so it's only fair to presume these are groundless. If you really want to put an end to it once and for all, invite Charles and Harry onto the Jeremy Kyle Show for DNA results.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Perhaps it is time for +Richard of London, as Dean of the Chapels Royal (and catechizer of HRH), to dig up some Hanoverian sermons exhorting Continence Among Princes as the theme for a course of Advent addresses. Prebendary Scott, as the sub-dean and Her Majesty's Domestic Chaplain, can handle daily addresses at Matins and Vespers. At the same time, the chaplain of the Blues and Royals (the regiment in which HRH serves) will likely eagerly grasp the opportunity to preach a course of sermons on Sobriety and Avoidance of Loose Women-- surely texts are lying around in the archives crying out to be brought back into service.
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
What gives him the right to make those kind of demands?
**NEWSFLASH**
Charles is Harry's dad in case anyone was unaware!
There has been speculation as to whether that is the case.
Oh yes, I'd forgotten about the ginger Major James Hewitt - and he was pretty thick as well! Then again, there's nothing other than wild rumours in the public domain, so it's only fair to presume these are groundless. If you really want to put an end to it once and for all, invite Charles and Harry onto the Jeremy Kyle Show for DNA results.
I'm pretty sure that if there was serious doubt about the paternity of HRH, the Royal Family could easily arrange for DNA tests.
Prince Andrew BTW, has red hair, so the red-hair gene is in the Royal Family so red hair alone does not suffice for questioning Prince Harry's paternity.
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I think Major Hewitt's military record shows that he wasn't even in the country when Prince Harry was conceived.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Spike:
I think Major Hewitt's military record shows that he wasn't even in the country when Prince Harry was conceived.
... and military service records are never wrong.
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What we REALLY need is for him to get so worried about the press that he starts employing decoys and using back exits. Let’s hope he doesn’t make a mistake one night and a/ use a drunken driver b/ let the driver get distracted c/ forget to put his seat belt on d/ piss off MI5.
God forbid our puerile hunger for titillation should kill another one. Oh the drama! Murdoch (the pimp to our desires) killing royals for 2 decades, catchy huh?
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[Tangent] quote:
Originally posted by Horseman Bree:
ISTM that Harry is doing exactly what royal second sons have done for centuries: fill up the non-official time with entertainment
For instance, that was the job that the man who became Henry VIII had until his older brother died.
Wasn't Henry just under 11 when his brother died? [/Tangent]
I bet Prince Hal would have played strip billiards in Las Vegas.
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Originally posted by QLib: quote:
I bet Prince Hal would have played strip billiards in Las Vegas.
Damn right.
[Tangent]Henry Fitzroy?[/Tangent]
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Having started this thread with a series of questions and in all seriousness it seems to me that one issue above all others emerges.
What constitutes morality?
So, in order not to derail this thread which might run and run I am starting another on what I see is a fundamental question.
Surprisingly the heart of morality (as far as I am concerned) has little to do with sexual misdeamours.
But I think it is also more than whether you vote GOP/Tories.
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Time was when an officer and a chap caught like this would have been led to an empty room with a loaded revolver and a bottle of whiskey. He'd know what to do.
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark: quote:
Time was when an officer and a chap caught like this would have been led to an empty room with a loaded revolver and a bottle of whiskey. He'd know what to do
Er... What time?
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
Time was when an officer and a chap caught like this would have been led to an empty room with a loaded revolver and a bottle of whiskey. He'd know what to do.
Any officer and gentleman given the option would give the paparazzi a stiff drink, then shoot him.
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
Time was when an officer and a chap caught like this would have been led to an empty room with a loaded revolver and a bottle of whiskey. He'd know what to do.
Was this before or after making love to prostitutes on the regimental colours? That used to be a sport in the 19th Century.
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Originally posted by sebby:
Oh, to please those who want to be morally outraged so easily in 2012, I think a few people...how can I dare tell you?...smoked cigarettes.
It may well have been that Harry had just finished his time in BATUS. He has certainly trained there, and done his own fair share of cleaning floors and non glamorous non royal (but military) admin.
As for making it a case of good prince/bad prince, or slurring his character, just lighten up a bit. I doubt that many shipmates (male) wear stained cardigans and shuffle around in slippers and are called Victor Meldrew, or (female) have buns and thick specs, thick black stockings, flat shoes and a school marmish manner, but the posts on this topic do suggest it somewhat.
Remember that scandal in Columbia a short while back where some U.S. Secret Service men had hired some (legal) prostitutes? Eleven men were either fired or reprimanded. Harry isn't the only military officer ever expected to conduct himself in a manner becoming. Not that I think the prince did anything worth getting in trouble at his job, but this idea that military men with stressful jobs should be excused from normal rules of society is a very slippery slope.
As for those who "want to be morally outraged," where exactly are you finding this?
A small minority of people on this thread have suggested that Harry might be a bit immature for his age but I haven't seen one hint of moral outrage.
What I actually do see is lots of people who want to be the voice of modern, forward thinking, open mindedness -- trying to make a big stand against the badly dressed prudes of their imagination. Sadly for you and Left-at-the Altar that ship sailed in 1967.
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