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Thread: Café now testing
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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Seems to be working at present.
I think there are three main categories of problem here:
- The software crashes. It happens, when it happens it throws everyone out and sends us an email, and it restarts itself 30 minutes or so later. We have rewritten all the code at least once since the version currently running the café, so we don't anticipate trying to fix the current version - we hope to do a wholesale upgrade in the next few months.
- Individuals can't get in because of firewall issues, java issues, ISP issues or r-in-month issues. We can only try to fix those problems one case at a time, and, in any case, the problem isn't something we can control
- Sometimes Internet connections blip, and chat-type connections are much more sensitive to that than website browsing. That's just life.
So unless the café goes down for everyone and doesn't come back up, as happened last week, or unless it starts going down for everyone several times a day, there isn't a lot to say, which is why I haven't been following this thread that closely.
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rebekah
Shipmate
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I can't get into the cafe either. My computer seems to be treating it as a file (a file of which is it quite suspicious too!) and asks me, if I really want to open it, what programme I want to open it with, and I don't know what to reply.
Any suggestions?
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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That's an easy one. You need to upgrade java. Google 'download sun java' and follow your nose.
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Alex Cockell
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quote: Originally posted by rebekah: I can't get into the cafe either. My computer seems to be treating it as a file (a file of which is it quite suspicious too!) and asks me, if I really want to open it, what programme I want to open it with, and I don't know what to reply.
Any suggestions?
Rebekah - what operating system are you running on your PC... and what version of Sun Java?
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Sioni Sais
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I'm in, but no one else is (they must see me coming).
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Zeke
Ship's Inquirer
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Am I understanding correctly? You mentioned to Sir Kevin that Mac OS 10.4.11 is too old to use the cafe? So we need to pay for some kind of sprocket or something from Apple? I sure didn't expect to have this kind of trouble before the thing was even 2 years old! I guess we will have to see how much it costs....apparently we didn't get the latest OS when we bought the computer in the first place. At least this is one of the first situations in which it's actually been a disadvantage to have a Mac.
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Alex Cockell
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quote: Originally posted by Zeke: Am I understanding correctly? You mentioned to Sir Kevin that Mac OS 10.4.11 is too old to use the cafe? So we need to pay for some kind of sprocket or something from Apple? I sure didn't expect to have this kind of trouble before the thing was even 2 years old! I guess we will have to see how much it costs....apparently we didn't get the latest OS when we bought the computer in the first place. At least this is one of the first situations in which it's actually been a disadvantage to have a Mac.
Yup.
You'll have to buy a service pack from Apple (actually, going from 10.4 to 10.5 is like going from XP to Vista).
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB576?mco=MTcwNDk1Mw
Will cost you 85 quid.
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rufiki
Ship's 'shroom
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Did we capsize, or did I just fall?
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Wesley J
Silly Shipmate
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Option a), m'dear.
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Wesley J
Silly Shipmate
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It's back on. As if we didn't have anything else to do...
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Zeke
Ship's Inquirer
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I spoke to a person at Apple about Leopard--it costs $129.00, but she says I may get a discount on it if I complain enough about getting an outdated OSX when I bought it.
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Emma-Jean
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I just get "Unknown Error: User attribute is of the wrong type", I used to be able to get on though... what's that about?
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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'User attribute is of the wrong type' usually means that there's some exotic character in your user name (which is what you should be using to log on, not your screen name).
OS 10.4 should be able to cope with the café. But...
... my wife failed to get into our French St Pixels service on Saturday and, on my return, it looks like java has broken on my (OS 10.4) Mac. This is probably good news, because, with Gwaelod's help, I might work out what the problem is and how to fix it.
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Emma-Jean
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Is it the hyphen then? Is there a way to work around it?
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Melon
Ship's desserter
# 4038
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PM me your user name and I'll look into it.
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Gwaelod
Shipmate
# 6140
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I've just made a few changes to counteract the bugs Apple introduced in their latest Java 5.0 version, and the Cafe now works with Mac OS 10.4 again.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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I think the café should now work for those with hypens in their user names.
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Wesley J
Silly Shipmate
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Monsieur Le Melon/M Le Pease: Rufiki's posted over here about another Java problem which affects the Cafe. Can you help? Thank you.
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rufiki
Ship's 'shroom
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I managed to get into the cafe! The problem appeared to be with the shortcut I had set up. Have now got in using the Java control panel, which is less convenient but at least I know the problem is my end.
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Jahlove
Tied to the mast
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No big deal but just a bit puzzled as to why I can receive *private conversatio*n messages but not initiate them - double clicking an avatar does absolutely nothing.
I have:
Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_07 Mac OS X (10.5.5)
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Paul.
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# 37
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I have the same issue, on Linux, but with the same version of Java.
Just adding a datapoint. I rarely want to PM someone anyhow.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
# 4038
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I cannot replicate that error (Linux with java 6).
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Alex Cockell
Ship’s penguin
# 7487
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AAAGGGGGGHHHHH! Just got dumped!
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Wesley J
Silly Shipmate
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Indeedy. Rough seas, eh?
[ETA: Ok again.] [ 19. November 2008, 22:25: Message edited by: Wesley J ]
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Sir Kevin
Ship's Gaffer
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How come the cafe just blows up in my face and gives error messages instead of opening as it did earlier this week?
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Melon
Ship's desserter
# 4038
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It is protecting the other users?
Apart from the Russian Roulette that is Apple Java support, we've identified an occasional issue on St Pixels where users have ended up running several copies of the software at once. Rebooting your machine (if you don't usually switch it off) would fix that (and switching off your computer would help save the planet, or something, too).
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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Is there a problem? I was in earlier today on wi-fi, but couldn't get in with a mobile connection. Now wi-fi has stopped working.
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Emma Louise
Storm in a teapot
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I cant download the cafe on my computer... but I have done in the past!! It went to computer hospital to be stripped and had new things put in it.
When I click on the cafe bit I get asked;
"do you want to save this file or find a program online to open it?" with options of find/save/cancel.
If I save it it then tells me its an "unknown file type" and "cannot open this file" with the option of looking online for the right programme....ARGG
I've tried it in IE and in firefox, same problem...
What should i do?!
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KenWritez
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My WinXP PC wants to upgrade its Java to 6.10. Any known issues between the Cafe and this version of Java?
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Ship cafe won't let me login Says I am unregistered.
Specifically, it says:
Socket thread started Buffer position = 0 Received XML = '<contexts> <user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a2731" name="reception"/> </contexts>' Context changed event fired <commands/>
Round trip = 0 milliseconds Buffer position = 0 Received XML = '<abilities> <user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a2732" name="visitor"/> </abilities>' No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities' Buffer position = 0 Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands> <xcr:command name="commands"/> <xcr:command name="describe_commands"/> <xcr:command name="describe_command"/> <xcr:command name="registered"/> <xcr:command name="unregistered"/> </xcr:available_commands>' New commands incoming Command list complete for current context New commands event fired <registered pass="x" user="y"/>
Round trip = 328 milliseconds Buffer position = 0 Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>' Disconnected
(Where x is my password and y my username.)
I am using Java 6, only thing that has changed since last time I used the cafe is that I updated my email address in profile and therefore had to change my password back from the auto-generated one once I logged in again.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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You don't log in with the username as it appears on the boards, you use the one you registered with.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984
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Yup, didn't use Doublethink, used the other one.
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Sir Kevin
Ship's Gaffer
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quote: Originally posted by Melon: Apart from the Russian Roulette that is Apple Java support, we've identified an occasional issue on St Pixels where users have ended up running several copies of the software at once. Rebooting your machine (if you don't usually switch it off) would fix that (and switching off your computer would help save the planet, or something, too).
I must do that more often at home. At school, I always shut down the computer for the weekend. I really do try to be green! My house is green and so is the roof and one of the cars.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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quote: Originally posted by Emma Louise: When I click on the cafe bit I get asked;
"do you want to save this file or find a program online to open it?"
What should i do?!
Install Sun Java.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984
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I'm still unable to get into the cafe - and this thread seems to ahve eaten the post I put up saying that
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984
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Resaved my profile and password, cafe now working. Not sure why it worked, but it worked.
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Gwaelod
Shipmate
# 6140
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quote: Originally posted by KenWritez: My WinXP PC wants to upgrade its Java to 6.10. Any known issues between the Cafe and this version of Java?
We're now onto Java 6.11 which I've tested without issues.
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Twilight
Puddleglum's sister
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It's interesting to know that other Mac users have cafe trouble. The pace of most cafe conversation is uncomfortably fast for me, in any case, but I'm happy to know why I was never able to get to this one.
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Gwaelod
Shipmate
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quote: Originally posted by Jahlove: No big deal but just a bit puzzled as to why I can receive *private conversatio*n messages but not initiate them - double clicking an avatar does absolutely nothing.
I have:
Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_07 Mac OS X (10.5.5)
I've just been trying this with OS X (10.5.6) with the latest Java update and all seems to work fine. Remember you can't have a private conversation with yourself, not in the Cafe anyway.
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lily pad
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We were both in the cafe, on Sunday, I think it was, and she had to type in the main chat window to ask me to initiate a private conversation with her. She couldn't begin one with me from her computer. I had no trouble. As I understand it, this is an ongoing thing.
(edited because "was" and "is" are two different things and both words are not required) [ 23. December 2008, 18:59: Message edited by: lily pad ]
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Alex Cockell
Ship’s penguin
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Just crashed out... and can't get back in.
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Jahlove
Tied to the mast
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quote: Originally posted by Gwaelod: Remember you can't have a private conversation with yourself, not in the Cafe anyway.
Shame
(srsly tho', that function don't function for me - but, as mentioned, no big deal)
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Imaginary Friend
Real to you
# 186
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The cafe just crashed on me, and won't let me log back in. The error console gives the following message when I try to reconnect:
code:
Socket thread started Buffer position = 0 Received XML = '<contexts> <user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a189" name="reception"/> </contexts>' Context changed event fired <commands/>
Round trip = 812 milliseconds Buffer position = 0 Received XML = '<abilities> <user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a190" name="visitor"/> </abilities>' No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities' Buffer position = 0 Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands> <xcr:command name="commands"/> <xcr:command name="describe_commands"/> <xcr:command name="describe_command"/> <xcr:command name="registered"/> <xcr:command name="unregistered"/> </xcr:available_commands>' New commands incoming Command list complete for current context New commands event fired <registered pass="*****" user="davelarge"/>
Round trip = 1188 milliseconds Buffer position = 0 Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>' Disconnected
(Note that I've blanked out the password field, but what was written there was correct.)
Any thoughts?
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lily pad
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Sorry you crashed. We are still in. Maybe try again after rebooting?
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Curiosity killed ...
Ship's Mug
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dave - you were showing as still in the café until very recently - you're now showing as left, so you should be able to get back in now.
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Imaginary Friend
Real to you
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Ah, I tried again just now and it was working fine. No one else there though
Sorry about that, one and all. Nothing personal, I promise.
[Edited to add: Also, sorry for borking the thread width with the code in my previous post. ] [ 24. December 2008, 22:10: Message edited by: davelarge ]
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Wesley J
Silly Shipmate
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Crashed currently.
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