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bbio
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ummm - last line should have read - get to KNOW some of the people here!! ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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Kelly Alves
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same thing happened to me, AFF.
Also, we were trying to share links in the cafe today and discovered that it doesn't hyperlink anymore.
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Cruella
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is 0420 (if I have my GMT sorted with this crappy time change sorted out) and I'm in Cafe for a little bit if anyone is around.
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Cruella
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hmmm, another question occurs to me...
when new people arrive can I see them as they arrive? There's no "refresh" anf F5 doesn't do a thing to reload the page soooo....how would I know (in absence of sounds) if someone else shows up, other than closing and re-starting (and restarting takes forever because the program insists on installing each time), how can I know I'm not in Ship Cafe limbo?
[ 24. March 2008, 03:28: Message edited by: Cruella ]
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Autenrieth Road
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You don't have to do a screen refresh as far as I am aware.
People logging in show up automatically. If you are displaying "Who's Here", their icon will automatically appear there. Even if you're not viewing "Who's Here", or if you're in Decaff, when they enter a bubble will come up in the talking area saying "So-and-So enters". And usually they will then say something having entered, and what they say will also show up.
If you arrange your windows to be able to see an appropriate strip of the talking window, the movement of the window contents can sometimes catch your eye in the current absence of sounds.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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As Autenreith Road says, it's not a browser application, so screen refreshes aren't something you need to worry about. The next reworking of the interface will make seeing who is around at the same time as chatting a little easier.
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Anselm
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I was wondering if it was possible to link the cafe to the boards in such a way so that when someone enters the cafe- everyone on the boards is notified so that they can join if they want... perhaps the icons for the cafe that are installed on people's desktops could flash...
well, it was just a thought...
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Jonah the Whale
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My connection broke suddenly when I was in the cafe (wireless problems) and now I can't get back in. I get the login screen but can't get anywhere with it. I presume it thinks I'm still in there. This is my error message (but I changed the password and userid).
Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a799" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>
Round trip = 100 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a800" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="qwertyuiop" user="Jonah the Whale"/>
Round trip = 300 milliseconds
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Doublethink.
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Very swish - but I second whoever said the speech bubbles are a bit of an issue.
Nice to see the cafe back =)
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Cruella
Apprentice
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OK, forget my "refresh" question last night. I saw people show up tonight at will (and thanks all for the great chat!)
Would be nice to have sounds on enter. But would be nicer to figure out how to half minimize the Cafe (I can't do that in either IE or Firefox) I have to half screen here and that's really annoying. But I can live with it.
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Lynn MagdalenCollege
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Sound would be nice - both for entrances and for posts.
It would also be nice if some of the smilies were enabled... and have we lost the ability to post links (or perhaps I didn't try the right thing!) - but thank you, to all you hard workers - you rock!
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Legodude_uk
Protector of Zebras
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quote:
Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
My connection broke suddenly when I was in the cafe (wireless problems) and now I can't get back in. I get the login screen but can't get anywhere with it. I presume it thinks I'm still in there. This is my error message (but I changed the password and userid).
8< snip
Just had a similar problem to Jonah, was in, wireless connection dropped briefly, can't get back in now...
Socket thread started
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<contexts>
<user_context xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1193" name="reception"/>
</contexts>'
Context changed event fired
<commands/>
Round trip = 188 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<abilities>
<user_ability xmlns:xcr="http://xcruciate.co.uk" id="a1194" name="visitor"/>
</abilities>'
No consumer for nodes with name of 'abilities'
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:available_commands>
<xcr:command name="commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_commands"/>
<xcr:command name="describe_command"/>
<xcr:command name="registered"/>
<xcr:command name="unregistered"/>
</xcr:available_commands>'
New commands incoming
Command list complete for current context
New commands event fired
<registered pass="qwertuiop" user="LDuk"/>
Round trip = 390 milliseconds
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<xcr:message category="term" message_id="registered_login_failed">Login attempt failed</xcr:message>'
Disconnected
(password and ID changed)
Thanks for all the work, looks great in there...but add me to the "not sure about the speech bubbles" list
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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The last log looks a lot to me like the password was wrong.
Cruella, you can resize the window using the usual controls top-right, or probably by dragging it to the desired size from the bottom righthand corner.
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Legodude_uk
Protector of Zebras
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Password was right, it has allowed me back in now...although there is no-one to talk to ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Sir Kevin
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Please, sirs, may we have some sound?
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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By memory, if you try to login when the server thinks you are logged in, the server will refuse your login and kick the previous version of you. In other words, if you get thrown out for whatever reason, it's worth having two goes at getting back in.
[ 25. March 2008, 16:35: Message edited by: Melon ]
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monkeylizard
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quote:
Originally posted by Anselm:
I was wondering if it was possible to link the cafe to the boards in such a way so that when someone enters the cafe- everyone on the boards is notified so that they can join if they want... perhaps the icons for the cafe that are installed on people's desktops could flash...
well, it was just a thought...
Neat idea. Perhaps the "Recent Visitors" section on the boards homepage could have the names in bold if that shipmate is also in Cafe.
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Gracious rebel
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Yes it would definitely be nice to be able to see if there is anyone in there already (and also who is there) before you log in, as logging in takes quite a while, and is a waste of time if there is no-one there who you want to talk to.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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But if we do the notifications and everybody works on that basis, no-one will ever log in again...
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Beautiful Dreamer
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It works, but tell me....which are the busier times? It has been a while since I chatted with Shippies so I don't really remember when the most people are in.
And I like the idea of being able to see who's in before logging in. Would that work on Mac and PC browsers? Are there any browsers the chat rooms don't work well with (since I have a Mac and a PC both)?
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Arrietty
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quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
But if we do the notifications and everybody works on that basis, no-one will ever log in again...
You always get a few people who are always logged on in case they miss something. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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daronmedway
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quote:
Originally posted by sophs:
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.
Is this gonna be the case when the cafe goes live? 'cos if so...that sucks.
(The software, not Melon)
I'm on a MacBook and it 'just works' for me... which is rather good.
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Alfred E. Neuman
What? Me worry?
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quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
Please, sirs, may we have some sound?
Really, Sir Kevin! You should give up that AOL account.
"You've got mail!"
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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I'll help you not to get lost in the brackets in the next update.
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Jahlove
Tied to the mast
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Just having a quick look using someone else's puter (mine is not fancy enough to run the java required for this cafe). No-one here though
Strange not to have sounds & just a tiny box for typing & net links not showing *live & clickable*
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Eleanor Jane
Shipmate
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Anyone want a chat? I've got a few minutes to fill...
EJ
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Emma-Jean
Shipmate
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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Very swish - but I second whoever said the speech bubbles are a bit of an issue.
Nice to see the cafe back =)
DT
Why is it that you don't like the speech bubbles? I think they're actually kind of fun.
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Anselm
Shipmate
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Well, the cafe is working so well that I now have to exercise self control in using it.
I second the suggestion of others about automatic hyperlinks - would be helpful. As would an option of notification sounds when someone posts. quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
But if we do the notifications and everybody works on that basis, no-one will ever log in again...
Well, I was kind of joking - but if I knew that there was this facility, then I would actually be more likely to log in (and stay in) since I would know that others could see that I was now in - kind of like sending up a flare.
Normally I am just waiting in the cafe for someone else to coincidentally log in. Not that I lurk there or anything...I do have real life outside the ship...somewhere...if I could only remember where I left it...
Another option would be to hook the Biblical Curse Generator up to the cafe so that if there is only one person in there it will start generating curses. That way the person has something to interact with...
ok -just a thought.
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luvanddaisies
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I, personally, would find it irritating to have a sound whenever someone posted if it weren't possible to turn it off- but would find it helpful to have a sound when someone new appears in the cafe.
Were sounds to be added at some point, would it be possible to make it possible to opt out of one or the other (as opposed to just pressing 'mute' and opting out of both!)
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jlg
What is this place?
Why am I here?
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quote:
Originally posted by Anselm:
Another option would be to hook the Biblical Curse Generator up to the cafe so that if there is only one person in there it will start generating curses. That way the person has something to interact with...
Hey, I like this idea! I would modify it to continue spitting out a random curse (irrespective of number of avatars in the cafe) whenever the conversation was inactive for more than a couple of minutes. It could be useful for those occasions when you find yourself alone in the Cafe with only one other shipmate who isn't known to you, trying to make polite conversation.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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quote:
Originally posted by Anselm:
Another option would be to hook the Biblical Curse Generator up to the cafe
Hold that thought...
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Gwaelod
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quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
Hold that thought...
Did you need any encouragement?
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Ship's desserter
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I'm kicking around the idea of a bot-writing competition.
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luvanddaisies
the'fun'in'fundie'™
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We could have a bot that spouts forth selected gems from the SoF quotes file.
I'll get my coat on now then...
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rufiki
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Yes, or from the SOF marketing straplines thread. Then you could add in the Unix "fortune" phrases, just to confuse people ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
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Ancient Mariner
Sip the ship
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quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Yes, or from the SOF marketing straplines thread
We have another use for the best of that thread, rufiki and they will appear soon. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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ErinBear
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It looks good - I could at least get in there! But I was the only one present, so I don't know yet how it will work for a proper chat. It sounds exciting, though! Thanks for all the hard work which has gone into this.
Blessings,
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Ancient Mariner
Sip the ship
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quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
Like tomorrow soon???
Not quite - too much else to sort out first. It's going to be a long night, just like 10 years ago.
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lapsed heathen
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Good Luck with the new launch.
The new cafe's exelent, nice to have the board avatars, would like some bells and whistles, it helps when youre running multiple windows or a stay on top button?. Smileys and hot links espicaly the linky thing would add to an already cool cafe.
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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Cut and pasted from the Technical thread:
quote:
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
The new layout is working very well for me - but I still can't get into the Cafe. I click on the link, enter my username (which isn't Wanderer IIRC) and password, and nothing else happens. Where am I going wrong?
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Jen.
Godless Liberal
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I'm sorry - I've broken the cafe.
quote:
IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 97
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1
and it won't let me back in.
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Horatio Harumph
Shipmate
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i managed to get back in after a couple of minutes jenny ann, but no one else was there ... (someone else logged back in to say bye)
i have to get off and get ready for work now, so cant try again, but will do tomorrow.
maybe its decided to have a sleep due to the record amount of visitors passing through this afternoon ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jen.
Godless Liberal
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Ahhh, I see.
I thought it might be a sign I should so some more work!
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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The café died an hour or so ago, which was quite good as I planned to kill it anyway in order to do some minor updates...
Tubbs, maybe you were trying when the server was down, or, alternatively, I get that effect when I put in the wrong password (or maybe your username/password contains some character currently being rejected by the server).
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Tractor Girl
Shipmate
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Taking it that is why I am being told my user name has the wrong attribute, will try later.
Melon, thanks for all your hard work on this though - it is v.much appreciated
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luvanddaisies
the'fun'in'fundie'™
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Well, there were 21 in there a few minutes ago, but I've just fallen overboard.
Can't get back in at the moment, but will towel down and try again later.
was running pretty smoothly up to then though.
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GrahamR
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I keep getting:
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java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.Core
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.jnlp.JNLPClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.doLaunchApp(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.javaws.Launcher.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
Which I hope is enlightening to someone else...
I'm running Windows 2000 and Firefox
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