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Thread: JULY BOOK GROUP: T. Pratchett's "Thief of Time"
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Golden Key
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Welcome, everyone! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
This month's book is Terry Pratchett's "Thief of Time". It's one of my favorite books, and IMHO has some of TP's best plotting.
Please post on this thread if you plan to participate, just so I have an idea of how many to expect. Anyone may join, and people are free to drop in after we start, too.
We generally start around the 20th of the month. If that doesn't work for you, let me know.
On the 20th, I'll post a list of questions, just to get the conversation going. (This is not a test, and you don't have to answer them!)
Please don't discuss the book before then--don't want to give spoilers, and it's more fun if we start together.
Ready, set, READ!
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Yay !
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I'm in.
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Penny S
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I'll have to hunt in the non-sorted part of my book store. I know I've got it somewhere. One of those I particularly like, too.
(Moved in to new home with no shelves, books packed according to size not subject. Books from father's house as well. Put up some but not all shelves and unloaded books. Collected and shelved history books in chronological order, putting displaced books in gaps created by removal of hostory books. Ditto with weird, mythology and women's ditto. Thus any other themed books will have been condensed together, but not in any order. Some are behind things. Ho hum.)
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St. Gwladys
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If I can find it, I'll join in. The bookcase in the bathroom seems a good place to start...Pratchett himself suggests that all the really good books end up in the "smallest room".
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I've just dug out my copy, haven't re-read it recently,so I'm in too!
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Me, too!
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Penny S
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Found it. After a confusing moment when I found Tony Hillerman's book with a similar title. And read half of it last night. And the small hours of the morning. It is amazing how much time was absorbed by the search and the reading. Thief of Time indeed.
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Darllenwr
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I thought it was constipation was the thief of time.
I'll get me coat ...
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Just Me
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Don't know if I'll actually make it to discussing the book - but reckon I'll re-read it.
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snowgoose
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So many intelligent, interesting people love Terry Pratchett that I thought I would like his books. I tried to read The Colour of Magic and just couldn't get through it--didn't like it at all. Am I reading the wrong book? Is there some other Pratchett novel I should start with? I really feel that I am missing out on something.
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Darllenwr
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The Colour of Magic is an early one in the series, when Pratchett was still feeling his way with the Diskworld. It might be worthwhile trying one of the later books - if you are reasonably clued in to Rock and Roll, you might find Soul Music makes a good read.
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Lord Pontivillian
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quote:
Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
If I can find it, I'll join in. The bookcase in the bathroom seems a good place to start...Pratchett himself suggests that all the really good books end up in the "smallest room".
Last time I saw it, I think, it was on the wall shelves in the middle room.
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snowgoose
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quote:
Originally posted by Darllenwr:
The Colour of Magic is an early one in the series, when Pratchett was still feeling his way with the Diskworld. It might be worthwhile trying one of the later books - if you are reasonably clued in to Rock and Roll, you might find Soul Music makes a good read.
I am about as un-clued-in to Rock and Roll as anyone I know. Would "Thief of Time" be a good one to start with? I don't know how much prior knowledge of the discworld universe is necessary in order to get what's going on in the later books.
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Golden Key
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Some people have to try different Disc World books before they can find the right gateway. I sure did.
"Wyrd Sisters" finally worked for me. It's to do with magic and royalty in the rural kingdom of Lancre.
"Witches Abroad" is another good one with the Lancre witches, out on a mission.
"Carpe Jugulum" has witches and vampires and living your faith. Oh, my!
"Mort" has Death hiring an apprentice.
"The Truth" has the wild city of Ankh-Morpork getting its first newspaper. Think Randolph Hearst. You also get Commander Sam Vimes of the Nightwatch police; and Lord Vetinari, the Patrician and ruler of A-M.
"Moving Pictures" is about A-M's alchemists inventing movies!
That should give you a start. The book we're reading this month could also be a great starter.
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I'll second Thief of Time as one of the Discworld books that's a good 'way in'. As with most Discworld books it helps if you are at least a bit au fait with the concepts that are being played with, in this case martial arts movies and time manipulation. It was the first Discworld book that my flatmate (a decidedly un-prolific shipmate) read and helped her get into them.
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There are four (or five) series of Discworld books, plus a few one-offs.
Series One: Rincewind. Starts with the very first Discworld book, the Colour of Magic. It was ok at the time. But while the quality of Pratchett's other novels went up, I don't think the quality of the Rincewind series went up with it. I wouldn't bother with any apart from Unseen Academicals, the most recent, in which Rincewind is only a minor character anyway.
Series Two: The Witches. Technically starts with Equal Rites, but really gets going with Wyrd Sisters. I think Wyrd Sisters was Pratchett's masterpiece - his first novel to be a complete success. My favourite series, although it's now been taken over by a young adult series.
Series Three: Death. Starts with Mort. I personally don't think it becomes successful until Hogfather and Thief of Time, but a lot of people like Soul Music.
Series Four: The Watch. Has now largely taken over the Discworld - I think every second Discworld book that isn't a young adult is now a Watch book if not more. Starts with Guards! Guards! and has been pretty successful all along. Although much as I like Sam Vines as a character, I'd also like to see Granny Weatherwax as a lead in an adult book.
Series (five): Moist. Moist appeared comparatively recently but is the lead in two books: Going Postal and Making Money.
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If you like opera, theatre or musicals then Maskerade is a hoot. Particularly if you know Phantom of the Opera.
Wyrd Sisters is a good one for Shakespeare lovers.
The only two I have never wanted to re-read are the first two (Colour of Magic/Light Fantastic) - after that, things get good!
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Golden Key
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Dafyd--
Have you read "Carpe Jugulum"? Granny W. most definitely has the lead in that.
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Dafyd
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Have you read "Carpe Jugulum"? Granny W. most definitely has the lead in that.
Carpe Jugulum was long enough ago to have a Josh Kirby cover. That must be more than five years ago. (Checks what the date actually was - ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) )
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snowgoose
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Thanks for the advice, y'all. I have just ordered "Thief of Time" from Amazon and should get it Friday or Monday. So I'll be (I hope) reading along with the rest of you.
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St Everild
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I quite like the Witches books for younger readers in the Pratchett oeuvre. They seem to be to be about becoming who you are called to be, and are deeply vocational in its truest sense.
And I love Tiffany Aching...go girl!
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snowgoose
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...and just got "Wyrd Sisters" for my kindle. Don't know anything about martial arts movies, not heavily into musicals (though I do like opera and some theatre), but I love Shakespeare, so I'll probably read that one first.
Thank so much for helping me.
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Mrs Shrew
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I'm in! (I think I signed up for May but didn't join in as I failed to read the book, but I know I will roar through a Pratchett, and I don't think I have read this one!)
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I read "Small Gods" first then every other one didn't seem as good.
I've started Thief of Time today though. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Golden Key
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Re "Thief of Time" and martial arts, etc.:
IMHO, you DON'T have to know anything about them. They've been a minor interest of mine for a long time, and I was a big fan of the old "Kung Fu" TV series (with David Carradine). I almost mentioned in the OP that KF fans might especially like the book, but I was afraid of putting other folks off.
You'll pick up everything you need to know in the book, I think.
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Sir Kevin
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I'll check the local branch library in a few hours: I don't have the budget to buy new books right now and Zeke does not need it for her Nook (e-reader) at the prices they are asking...
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The Thief Of Time is about martial arts? How on earth did I miss that when I read it ?
Time to unearth it from the bookshelf, dust it off and open it again, obviously.....
I would also recommend Wyrd Sisters as one of the best starting points into Discworld. The first two books can be ignored quite safely for a good long while, IMO.
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Ooh, the Pratchetts are one of the few sets of books that are a) together and b) findable since our move! Have pulled this one off the shelf and started re-reading it. I normally read very quickly and miss alot, so am trying to take it a bit slower and take more in. I've already noticed one pun that I'd skipped over on my several earlier readings... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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I shall have a go at this discussion. I've read Thief of Time in the past, and have downloaded the audiobook.
Cattyish, off to the garden with the Thief.
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SusanDoris
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quote:
Originally posted by Darllenwr:
The Colour of Magic is an early one in the series, when Pratchett was still feeling his way with the Diskworld. It might be worthwhile trying one of the later books - if you are reasonably clued in to Rock and Roll, you might find Soul Music makes a good read.
When I was teaching, back in the early 1980s, several children in my year 6 class wanted to know if I'd read 'Truckers' and were quite shocked to know that I hadn't heard of TP! I took it on a train and thought what a weird book, but since I had nothing else to read, I carried on. By the time I got to the middle, I was creased up with laughter! So then I started to read straight through the Disc World series but didn't really 'get it' until I'd reached about book 6. Just recently I have read 'Colour of Magic' and 'Light Fantastic' for the first time since then, and realise just how clever they were. I'm not going to participate here, but will definitely be reading the discussion.
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cattyish
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I shall have a go at this discussion. I've read Thief of Time in the past, and have downloaded the audiobook.
Cattyish, off to the garden with the Thief.
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SusanDoris
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Off topic, but just a week ago I learnt that Wincanton is twinned with Ankh-Morpork, and that there is an online Disc World Monthly!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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St. Gwladys
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I still think that Witches Abroad has the best ever quote - to the effect that vampires may rise from the grave or the crypt, but never, ever from the cat. (Sorry, I haven't got the book to hand)
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Welcome to the Ship, PriestWifeMum! We're glad you have made your first post here in Heaven!
For more greetings, you may want to check out the welcome thread in All Saints.
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The Intrepid Mrs S
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To my mind Night Watch is the best ever Pratchett - it seemed to me so complete, and to round out Sam Vimes so well, that nothing before or since has touched it. Having said that, I wouldn't start with that - I'd go for Pyramids which is the one I first read, as everyone knows about Ancient Egypt. Once I realised that the handmaiden's name was Ptraci, I was hooked ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Sadly the latest books are becoming very formulaic*, and Snuff was very much 'going through the motions', in more ways than one.
*and yes, I do understand why that should be so
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The Intrepid Mrs S
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Apologies for the double post but quote:
I've read Thief of Time in the past, and have downloaded the audiobook.
As well as owning all the books, I have them as audiobooks too. In the context of this thread, they are wonderful for making you pay attention - I read fast and find myself missing bits. The audiobooks put paid to that.
And as I am a notoriously bad sleeper, they are fantastic for sending me back to sleep in the middle of the night. And if I don't get back to sleep, then I have something great to listen to while I lie awake
Mrs. S, reaching for the iPod (oh no, I'm supposed to be at work ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Thanks to this thread I've decided to re-read Thief. I may even join in with the Q&A at the end of the month....
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Sir Kevin
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Collecting the book at local lending library tomorrow: city cutbacks mean it is closed today!
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snowgoose
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I have bought "Thief of Time" and am reading "Wyrd Sisters" on my kindle now. I am liking "Wyrd Sisters," so thanks to all who gave me advice on which discworld novel to start with!
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SusanDoris
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quote:
Originally posted by The Intrepid Mrs S:
...I have them as audiobooks too. In the context of this thread, they are wonderful for making you pay attention - I read fast and find myself missing bits. The audiobooks put paid to that.
I would be interested to know who the reader is on your audio books. I've never been one for readin things twice, but having been, like you, a fast reader, I have, thank goodness, discovered the pleasure of starting again, but this time in braille, rather than audio. I use audio books a lot as well, of course.
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Started this last night. Thought I was going to be re-reading it, but turns out I've not actually read it before!
12% in so far, excellent.
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The Intrepid Mrs S
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I would be interested to know who the reader is on your audio books.
It can be either Nigel Planer (remember him from The Young Ones ?) or Stephen Briggs, who I believe has also created stage works from some of the books. My preference is for Planer, although perhaps Briggs does the voices better, because to my ears Briggs tends to make.the.endings.of.the.words.a.bit.too.clipped. IYSWIM. And he can't pronounce 'Artificers' for toffee!
Mrs. S, very picky about the voices of her audiobooks
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Prayer should be our first recourse, not our last resort
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Penny S
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Meanwhile, on Radio Four Extra, at 6pm and midnight, starting yesterday, you can hear "Guards! Guards!", and next week, "Wyrd Sisters".
And "The World of Poo" - see "Snuff" - is out.
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Sir Kevin
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Originally posted by Jenny Ann:
Started this last night...
Me too! I have the day off, so I expect to read a good part of it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Beethoven:
. I've already noticed one pun that I'd skipped over on my several earlier readings...
Just finished re-reading and, silly me, for the first time noticed the major pun involving the title!
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