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Thread: Appointment of Catholic/Anglican Bishop's and ++Cantuar
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Oscar the Grouch
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Originally posted by Angloid:
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Originally posted by CL:
Is that not just a result of the de facto congregationalism of most Anglicans? They don't really care what happens outside their own parish as long as it doesn't affect them.
Almost the opposite. They get on perfectly well with their fellow-Anglicans and don't see the point of the sectarian mentality that tells them they should only relate to a self-selecting group.
I think you're both correct.
In my church, I see some people who have no interest whatsoever in anything outside the parish boundaries. And no matter what I say or do, that will continue. I regularly get people from the diocese to come and preach and talk about what they do and what the diocese is trying to do - it just hits a brick wall.
And yet there are others who DO see themselves as part of a wider Church of England. And - as Angloid says - these people are mostly puzzled and embarrassed by the attempts to create segregation and division.
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Matt Black
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Anyone read the report in Private Eye this week about +Graham's alleged connection with supporters of the Moonies and other cults? What do you make of it?
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Margaret
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I've just seen it and fond as I am of the Eye I can't say it's one of their more accurate reports. Going no further than the second paragraph, Inform isn't exactly controversial, just an organisation that gives impartial advice on NRMs to anyone who inquires, Eileen Barker's Making of a Moonie was published, as far as I'm aware, in the normal way - if the Moonies had funded it they would have been rather disappointed by some of its conclusions - and they didn't "send" her to any conferences; they had a phase when they invited academics and clergy to their conferences (my husband went to several).
I think whoever wrote that item has probably been fed some misinformation.
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k-mann
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Originally posted by Panda:
Indeed, a cleric doesn't actually have to be a bishop before becoming AbC. Technically any (male...!) priest could be a candidate, however unlikely that would be, given the need for some pointy-hatted experience.
Thomas Becket was a deacon when he was given the job, and therefore had to be ordained priest before he could be consecrated bishop but his is not exactly a career path to follow...
In 1998, Ernst Oddvar Baasland was elected the Bishop of Stavanger, Norway, and had to be ordained as a priest before he was ordained as a bishop.
And just one more point, because I’m somewhat anal when it comes to language. +Chrism, you should change your signature. In Nomine Patris Et Filio Sancti means “in the Name of the Father and the Holy Son.” (And Filio is not in the genetive, as it should.) Since you define yourself as a traditional Catholic (within the CofE), I’m pretty sure you would want it to say in Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritūs Sancti, “In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
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Triple Tiara
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That's bugged me for some time as well, as it happens, especially since it reads something like "In the name of the Father, and to the Son, the Holy Ones" - or something like that.
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Matt Black
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Originally posted by leo:
No - for those of us who no longer subscribe, enlighten us, please.
If he is supportive of new religious movements and pastorally engaged with their fallout then he might get my vote (if i had a vote).
Rather crappy link here - reference second from bottom.
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Matt Black
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The link or the content? My 'crappy' reference was to the fact that, unless you're a subscriber, you can't really access the content.
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Amos
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Originally posted by leo:
Neither - merely the fact that he is pastorally involved in those effected by new religious movements.
'affected,' please.
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shameless
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What does the RCC have to do with the election of Bishops if anything?
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Robert Armin
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Has anyone else seen this? It made me laugh a lot - but not as much as when the same footage was used in a Ship context some years ago. Does anyone have a link to that wonderful spoof?
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Matt Black
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Brilliant, particularly the jibe at Tom Wright.
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Panda
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That's a scream... 'don't worry, Vivienne...'
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Robert Armin
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Glad you enjoyed it, Matt Black and Panda, but do either of you remember the SoF spoof that used the same clip? That's what I really want to see again!
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Keeping fit was an obsession with Fr Moity .... He did chin ups in the vestry, calisthenics in the pulpit, and had developed a series of Tai-Chi exercises to correspond with ritual movements of the Mass. The Antipope Robert Rankin
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AngloCatholicDude
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What would happen if they offered it to +Justin Welby and he turn's it down then they offer it to +Graham James or +John Sentamu but he turns it down as well. Would they have to restart the process?
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Angloid
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Isn't it assumed that if they have got as far as being considered, they will have made clear that they would be willing to accept?
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AngloCatholicDude
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Originally posted by Angloid:
Isn't it assumed that if they have got as far as being considered, they will have made clear that they would be willing to accept?
+Justin Welby and +Graham James have both said they do not want they job and if offered they'd have to pray and consider it very carefully
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Panda
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Surely no-one actually wants it. But if they haven't formally said so in order to withdraw their name from the list, they'll still be in the running.
RA, that SoF version must be around somewhere - try asking in the Styx!
[ 17. October 2012, 21:07: Message edited by: Panda ]
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L'organist
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OMG - the clip should be compulsory viewing for ALL bishops and anyone who tries to defend the current situation vis-a-vis numbers of dioceses/bishops etc.
While the bits about Wright, James et al may be lost on non-regulars, the bit about Sentamu is already what many unchurched think...
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AberVicar
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It wouldn't be so funny if it weren't so patently true.
Perhaps now they need to start looking further afield - Cape Town, for example?
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Pre-cambrian
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Has anyone else seen this?
I've seen a number of good spoofs using that clip. (There was a brilliant one about the dog Fenton chasing deer in Richmond Park.) But does anyone know what the original is?
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Amos
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'Downfall'http://www.downfallthefilm.com/
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Pre-cambrian
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Thanks. Looks as if it may be worth getting.
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