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Zappa
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Originally posted by Percy B:
I hadn't realised the Jesus Army still existed, I'd not heard about them recently so in a sense they maybe are a surviving small Christian denomination, even though I'd originally thought of groups that had been around for 50 years or more.
A reasonably notorious shippie was/is an member and an advocate thereof
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ExclamationMark
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Originally posted by Enoch:
1. I think the Jesus Army were originally Baptist.
2.They may even still be in some way.
1. Yes they were - a village baptist church near northampton. Bugbrooke Baptist Church.
2. No they aren't. They left the BUGB many moons ago and are now no longer a congregational governed church but elder governed.
They have a number of community houses in parts of Northants and own a few businesses including (I think) Towcester Building Supplies.
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Moo
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After the San Francisco earthquake, some people said it was God's judgment on the city for its wickedness. Other people pointed out that churches had been destroyed while bars had not.
There is a funny little poem which unfortunately I cannot locate right now. It asked why, if God had punished San Francisco for being "frisky", He wrecked many churches and "spared O'Brien's whiskey."
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Lyda*Rose
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
1. I think the Jesus Army were originally Baptist.
2.They may even still be in some way.
1. Yes they were - a village baptist church near northampton. Bugbrooke Baptist Church.
2. No they aren't. They left the BUGB many moons ago and are now no longer a congregational governed church but elder governed. (L*R emphasis)
They have a number of community houses in parts of Northants and own a few businesses including (I think) Towcester Building Supplies.
It's hard to be an Army without a chain of command.
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Percy B
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I see from a web search that the Community of Christ still exists in some places, and its been around for a century or so now.
The Sutton in Ashfield church says it was founded in 1905.
It's website seems a little shy of mentioning its links with Mormonism. But maybe that's a bit unfair. Maybe they have detached themselves and become a small independent church.
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deusluxmea
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Originally posted by Percy B:
I see from a web search that the Community of Christ still exists in some places, and its been around for a century or so now.
I seem to recall a Community of Christ church around the Ryde area of Sydney. A friend of mine who was into Christian City church was asked to perform for them and got a mighty shock to learn about their Mormon roots.
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Freddy
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Originally posted by Percy B:
The Quakers survive and make a special contribution.
Are Quakers rare in the UK? Here in Philadelphia they are quite important.
The prep school belonging to our small Swedenborgian denomination, the Academy of the New Church, is part of the Friends League, all of whose schools are Quaker except ours.
And of course Pennsylvania is known as the Quaker State, with a brand of motor oil named after it, not to mention the oat company.
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Freddy
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Originally posted by W Hyatt:
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Originally posted by Squirrel:
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Originally posted by Percy B:
In John Dalton Street in Manchester Uk there is New Church House.
Are they Swedenborgians? I ask because the New Church, Swedenborgians website makes no mention of a Manchester congregation.
They are not a group I know anything about, but from the website appear inoffensive!
When I last looked into the topic there were at least three branches of the New Church, all of whom follow Emanuel Swedenborg's teachings. They're all small, but I believe the one based in Pennsylvania is growing in number.
I'm pretty sure the New Church House in John Dalton Street is Swedenborgian and is connected with the branch of the New Church based in the U.K. There are at least three other independent branches based in the U.S., of which two are based in the tiny borough of Bryn Athyn, Pennsylvania just north of Philadelphia. Of these two, I believe the General Church of the New Jerusalem is by far the largest world-wide and is the branch to which Freddy and I belong, and yes it is growing, especially in Africa and the Far East.
Just to add to this, there has never been a single Swedenborgian church. Swedenborg never had any followers or started any church. He just wrote books. But he was a famous Swedish scientist and member of the Swedish government, so his books became well known.
After his death readers in a number of different countries soon started groups and churches, but most readers remained within whatever denomination they belonged.
The differences between the groups has mainly been that they exist in different countries, but another major difference is the attitude to what he wrote. Some groups see the books as interesting thoughts and ideas, but don't hold to their claim to be a revelation from God. Other groups take every word as divinely revealed.
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Carex
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Originally posted by Percy B:
I see from a web search that the Community of Christ still exists in some places, and its been around for a century or so now...
Is that the group that used to be known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? There was one across the street when I was growing up, and later I noticed it had changed its name.
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Gee D
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Originally posted by deusluxmea:
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Originally posted by Percy B:
I see from a web search that the Community of Christ still exists in some places, and its been around for a century or so now.
I seem to recall a Community of Christ church around the Ryde area of Sydney. A friend of mine who was into Christian City church was asked to perform for them and got a mighty shock to learn about their Mormon roots.
Yes, you're right. A quick check on Google maps shows a church at Drummoyne, a couple of suburbs closer to the city than Ryde. There are 2 others in the Sydney area, one about 75 km north, and another about 250 km further north than that. There may be others interstate.
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SvitlanaV2
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Originally posted by Freddy:
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Originally posted by Percy B:
The Quakers survive and make a special contribution.
Are Quakers rare in the UK? Here in Philadelphia they are quite important.
The prep school belonging to our small Swedenborgian denomination, the Academy of the New Church, is part of the Friends League, all of whose schools are Quaker except ours.
And of course Pennsylvania is known as the Quaker State, with a brand of motor oil named after it, not to mention the oat company.
In the UK Quakers have a strong identity, and a significant historical heritage and influence, but they're relatively few in number now. They seem not to be included in ecumenical gatherings. This is probably because they're no longer identified exclusively with Christianity.
(I've read that American Quakers are more 'orthodox' than British ones in terms of Christian belief, but I don't know how true that is.)
Most British people know of the Quakers not because of their theology, but because of their past contribution to British business and banking, and because of their commitment to social welfare issues. My city, Birmingham, saw the creation of Quaker businesses that are now world famous (e.g. Cadbury's, whose main product is chocolate, and Lloyds Bank), and there are Quaker-founded institutes of adult education. Bourneville in Birmingham is a desirable suburb founded by the Quaker Cadbury family, and it has a distinctive atmosphere and look. But it was never created for the 'Quaker community', but for the employees of Cadbury's, most of whom weren't Quakers.
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Doublethink.
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There are less than 20,000 Quakers in the UK ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Enoch
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
In the UK Quakers have a strong identity, and a significant historical heritage and influence, but they're relatively few in number now. They seem not to be included in ecumenical gatherings. This is probably because they're no longer identified exclusively with Christianity.
(I've read that American Quakers are more 'orthodox' than British ones in terms of Christian belief, but I don't know how true that is.)
Most British people know of the Quakers not because of their theology, but because of their past contribution to British business and banking, and because of their commitment to social welfare issues. My city, Birmingham, saw the creation of Quaker businesses that are now world famous (e.g. Cadbury's, whose main product is chocolate, and Lloyds Bank), and there are Quaker-founded institutes of adult education. Bourneville in Birmingham is a desirable suburb founded by the Quaker Cadbury family, and it has a distinctive atmosphere and look. But it was never created for the 'Quaker community', but for the employees of Cadbury's, most of whom weren't Quakers.
Although the Quakers are a fairly small denomination, they still have a broad coverage. There are at least four Meeting Houses in this city.
They also run schools with a high reputation.
I understand though that there's a certain amount of tension between those Quakers that are still specifically Christian, and those that would possibly class themselves as benevolent universalists.
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Penny S
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The Religious Society of Friends is included in Churches Together in England, after some discussion by other members, having been included in the previous British Council of Churches. I see from Wikipedia that the new body included the Catholics as full members, which they had not been in the BCC.
I do remember that Quakers had some concern about the exclusion of the Unitarian Church, a founder member of the BCC from the new body, and were not sure about the rightness of being members when the Unitarians were cast out. The issue was a credal one.
The national membership is not always evident in local ecumenism (it is where my meeting is), I see from a document Quakers in Local Churches Together.
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Sandemaniac
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Originally posted by Enoch:
They also run schools with a high reputation.
Having been to one, you will excuse me for honking in derision. There was, however, universal rejoicing when the games master shot himself in the eye with the starting pistol.
I have to say that the only spirit that ever visited me in a Quaker meeting was the Oh God of How Much Longer?
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Penny S
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
I have to say that the only spirit that ever visited me in a Quaker meeting was the Oh God of How Much Longer?
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This reminds me of the situation in schools where a child would complain of something, which others found interesting, being boring. The most recent example being of a child claiming that swimming was boring. The others explained that he always said that when he didn't like things.
There are two sorts of being bored in my opinion - one when the activity is lacking stimulus, the other when the person concerned has brought their own boredom to the party. People who are not in Meeting of their own choice may well be in the latter camp. Even some who have chosen may be one some occasions. But that doesn't mean the Spirit isn't there. And when there is a truly gathered Meeting, that presence is irresistable.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
I have to say that the only spirit that ever visited me in a Quaker meeting was the Oh God of How Much Longer?
Not everything suits everybody - have you ever tried meditation, if so did you find it useful ?
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
Having been to one, you will excuse me for honking in derision. There was, however, universal rejoicing when the games master shot himself in the eye with the starting pistol.
I wouldn't have thought a Quaker school would have a starting pistol.
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I have to say that the only spirit that ever visited me in a Quaker meeting was the Oh God of How Much Longer?
Plenty of people have expressed similar sentiments about school chapel in CofE, RC and all manner of other sorts of schools over the years. It's hardly fair to blame the Quakers alone for boring the spotty generation.
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Percy B
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Does anyone know if that 7th day baptist church in Tottenham is still going. Now there is a survivor from the 17th century, and a lone survivor in England I would think.
It was old dissent and kept Saturday as the Sabbath - which would mark them out well from other churches, except the seventh day Adventists of course.
It's listed still on finda church but v little details and I can't find a website.
Anyone know more about them. It would be fascinating to know how children are brought up in that tradition.
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Sandemaniac
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Originally posted by Penny S:
People who are not in Meeting of their own choice may well be in the latter camp.
I think you have hit the nail on the head, Penny S. As someone who pretty much only sits still when they are eating, reading or sleeping, I found silent assemblies and meetings intolerable. Whilst I have the greatest of respct for what the Quakers do, wild horses would not get me back in a meeting. I have similar views on meditation - give me a task that I can get lost in and maybe I will find an inner calm and contentment. I certainly need it at the mo.
As, however, I am in danger of making this a me me me thread, I'll just note that Karl's link made me ROFL.
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Jengie jon
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According to this paper Seventh Day Baptists seem to be well and truly dead. It is a genuinely a non-conformist history paper and therefore although a history it has none of the neat lineage that we associate with text books. Rather what it covers is a complicated pattern of alliances and disputes going over three centuries.
It also appears that while churches bore the label Seventh Day Baptists, there was no such denomination. Rather they tended to be members of the bigger Baptist Union
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Percy B
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Yes that paper does suggest that.
However our friend Google suggests early notice of their demise may be unfounded BUT more recent reports may be true. This website suggests the church is alive and well.
I even came across photos of people standing outside a large house with a church notice board outside. However nothing recent, suggesting it may now be closed. Anyone know?
I wonder if the church had appeal to people from the Carribean where the 7th day Adventists are strong.
Whatever they are the only Saturday as sabbath group associated with a main stream denomination I have ever heard of.
I have yet to hear of 7th day Anglicans ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Firenze
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But the link to the church website itself is dead.
I think that as this thread is not so much in its seventh day as its fifth month, we might give it a well-earned rest.
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