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Sleepwalker
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Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
I just don't feel any commitment to the dance coming from Louis. He works hard at getting the technique right, but still isn't bringing his face to the party.
Well, I certainly noticed his face on Saturday night! I thought he did tender very well! And he changed his expression and posture when the tango started. I'm not sure what people are expecting. He isn't a girl.
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Even his Charleston face looked like a mask he was wearing for the occasion,
But that is exactly what it was! It was supposed to be exaggerated as he was playing a silent movie mad doctor. He played that very well.
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Sleepwalker
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Originally posted by Heavenly Anarchist:
Just caught up with the show. A few thoughts:
Louis is hot!
Most definitely!!
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I'm hoping the final 4 will be Dani, Louis, Kimberley and Denise.
Same here, simply because they are the best four dancers, and by some distance.
It is annoying me that is it Lisa? The one from Emmerdale? Keeps getting 9s when all she brings is loudness and enthusiasm. Her dancing is verging on the awful. She should have been in the dance off instead of Denise on Sunday.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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Lisa's faces and jazz hands are getting to me too. She is now the worse dancer by far.
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balaam
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Lisa is sadly out.
As it is a dance competition it isn't surprising. Not that she was bad, but the others were so good.
But a dance show could not go out at prime time on a weekend if it wasn't also about entertainment. In past years John Sergeant and Ann Widdicombe have provided the entertainment. This year was different, the entertainment was by someone who could dance.
I supposed it is right that the best dancers should be in the final. But I'll miss Lisa, she was so much fun.
As for the winner next week, my head says Kimberley, but my heart says Dani.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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The ones who 'entertain' usually go out at this stage so that the final has the best dancers so it is no surprise that she went this week.
I think the competition is open, though Louis obviously has lots of public votes.
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I think it depends on how they do the voting in the final. It should be between Denise and Kimberley, because they are the best two ( although not by a lot ). Kimberley seems to have been improving at just the right time, so may get it.
Of course, if it is based on public vote, this changes things, because Denise is not getting the public vote. It it not clear who of the others is getting the most votes.
The best 4 are in the final. And they are all very good, on a good day.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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I believe it will be public vote so Denise doesn't stand a chance despite her obvious talents.
I think Kimberley was the best on Saturday, despite her soft core ( she sometimes seems to relax her middle and go floppy). I don't like the way she pouts though. I did love Dani's Argentine Tango and Louis' Foxtrot was charming.
Louis is rumoured to be topping the votes and he must be doing well as he was bottom 2 on the board but has never been in the dance off. Dani also hasn't been in the dance off. I think it is very open.
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SusanDoris
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I'm probably mis-remembering, but I thought there were usually only three couples in the final. Can someone remind me what the process will be next Saturday, please?
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Heavenly Anarchist
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They decided to change it to 4 a few weeks ago, it was originally advertised as 3 on the website as usual. The rumour mill says this was because they knew Denise wasn't popular and didn't want her to go out despite being one of the best dancers. But who knows why they changed it.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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I 'think' they are doing judges' favourites and their own favourites, then show dance. I'm guessing there will be vote offs at each stage but don't really know, I think they usually vote someone off after the first 2 dances when there are only 3 of them, then a public vote between the last 2 after the show dance.
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SusanDoris
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Heavenly
Thank you. I must say I haven't been as interested this year as I usually am and have not voted. The friend, with whom I confer during and at the end of every Saturday show, and I think that James doesn't have the charisma that Pasha for instance has; but we're both pretty old, so we might be quite wrong!!
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A large harrumph from the Snagses and friends (Strictly final being a social occasion).
I like Louis, and he deserved to be in the final, but I have to say I think that both Denise and Kimberley would have been more deserving winners overall.
Good show, though, despite all the inevitable filler.
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View of the family synoddy was that the right person won. On the show dance alone he and Flavia were outstanding but the family think Louis has been on the longest journey, and coupled with his lack of show biz background, they liked his range of dance style displayed tonight.
Second choice was Kimberley with Denise a long, long way back in third.
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balaam
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Originally posted by SyNoddy:
View of the family synoddy was that the right person won. On the show dance alone he and Flavia were outstanding but the family think Louis has been on the longest journey, and coupled with his lack of show biz background, they liked his range of dance style displayed tonight.
Second choice was Kimberley with Denise a long, long way back in third.
Denise wasn't that bad. The judges votes, only one point between them after three dances, show just how close it was.
Of the four finalists, three had dance training. Kimberley danced as part of Girls Aloud, Denise and Dani had dance training at stage school: Denise went on to perform in Chicago.
So it was three semi-professional dancers against a gymnast. That the gymnast won is amazing, though I'm guessing the shirt off dance helped. But it was always like this.
To have three performances of that quality in the final though is what we should be crowing about, not just the winner. I think we have seen the best series of Strictly ever, I can't see it ever being better than this.
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The judges marks and comments seemed balanced and fair but poor old Denise just didn't get the popular vote on our sofa! Both teenagers in our house 'took a'gin' Denise, seemingly for having stared in a musical AND wanting to win too much. OK so she wasn't alone in either fault, if indeed they can be considered faults, but their dislike was evident from week 1 and they never relented.
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balaam
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"He's going to perform with his shirt off."
Now imagine a similar phrase being used by a male pro-dancer about a female celebrity. The BBC phone lines would melt.
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Gill H
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Oh, I agree! And frankly it didn't help his case for me. I voted for Denise because I thought she was the best in each dance. I would have loved Dani to win but she wasn't quite as good as the others.
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I think the wrong person won, although any of them were good enough. Of late, Kimberly was the most consistently good. Over the entire series, Denise was the best. But Louis was the most improved, so I can see why people voted for him.
I think it is very significant that on the final leader board, the three couples, over three dances, dropped a total of 5 points. That is the clearest indication of the quality of all the finalists.
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I think the girls should have danced with their tops off too - even playing field.
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Sleepwalker
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Originally posted by balaam:
"He's going to perform with his shirt off."
Now imagine a similar phrase being used by a male pro-dancer about a female celebrity. The BBC phone lines would melt.
The girls performed in short skirts and midriff exposing outfits almost every week so I don't see what's so contentious about a man dancing with his shirt off. If he'd danced naked then fair enough. Although I'm not sure the phone melt would have been down to complaints! Not from the girls at any rate!
Louis was gorgeous and I don't just mean physically. His dancing was amazing, especially given where he started and how difficult he found it to perform. That showdance was incredible. His strength and grace just had me glued to the screen. But he also danced out Flavia's samba extras extremely well in their first dance and although his charleston wasn't as well finished this time as the first time he danced it, he still pulled off a great performance and it was fun.
To combine three different dances and to dance them all to the standard he did given his lack of dance background made him the best of the final three and very much the worthy winner.
That he was hot was a Christmas bonus!
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I agree that out of the final three Louis certainly traveled the longest journey. I remain to be convinced he went far enough to be the best dancer though, and I suspect if it hadn't been a public vote the result would have been different.
However, he was always going to be a popular choice, and I don't begrudge him it. It's just that the objective* bit of me can't help saying to the 'the right guy won' folks things like "Really? You really thought he was the best dancer? Not just the one that had come furthest through starting further behind? Not just the one that you warmed to most personally? Not just the guy you were rooting for?".
All that said, as Balaam said, it was an incredibly strong final, and a very good series throughout. And perversely, if Louis hadn't won, I'd be left feeling very sorry for whichever of Kimberley or Denise also lost out, whereas because he did, I can be consoled that they can both say "Bah, we wuz robbed in a popularity contest!"
As for the shirt-off thing, anyone who seriously thinks it's an even comparison to reverse the genders needs to get their overly precious head out of their right-on bottom ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
*OK, as a non-dance person I appreciate that my objective is probably actually quite subjective
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Gill H
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I am rather tired of all the 'shirt off' remarks. Another site I frequent has a thread running about SCD, where people often comment live. I usually have to wade through several pages of drooling over Artem's abs before I find a comment on any dancing.
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Roseofsharon
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I must be odd.
I don't find the sight of a guy dancing with his shirt off does anything for me - especially if he has been shaved, sprayed and oiled into the bargain.
Having items of clothing torn off mid-dance is equally boring, whether the dancer is male or female. It all seems to be a ploy to distract from the actual dancing
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I'm not a fan of muscles so Artem/Robin/Louis/whoever sans shirt does absolutely nothing for me. I would've preferred Denise to win, but it's the spectacle and (hush my mouth) the "journeys" that interest me...which is why the Christmas Strictly doesn't thrill me as much as the series.
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balaam
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Congratultions go to former Strictly judge Arlene Phillips, who hs received a CBE in the New Yer Honours list "for her services to dance and to charity".
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Heavenly Anarchist
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And to Louis Smith for his award ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Oops, forgot Victoria Pendleton too.
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