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Originally posted by deano:
You seem to be losing more and more of your credibility with every post you make.
Credibility in your eyes, perhaps. But as a statement of fact it would help if other people supported your thesis.
Your credibility in my eyes, however, is remaining pretty constant.
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Originally posted by comet:
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Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
you're one sick little motherfucker, aren't you?
It was a tough primary school. You didn't graduate, you survived.
Well, explains a lot about your general attitude to others.
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I like a good Ad Hominem attack as much as anyone, especially as a diversionary tactic.
But!
Why has Obama - Man... of Hope! - not expended any political capital on fixing the problem outlined by the OP?
Why didn't he take advantage of an election year to try to fix it, as I doubt anyone would want to be seen opposing fixing this. But he didn't.
Has any Democratic congressman tried to introduce any legislation fixing this?
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Originally posted by deano:
Why didn't he take advantage of an election year to try to fix it, as I doubt anyone would want to be seen opposing fixing this.
Yeah, right, because it's not like any right-wingers would try to depict him as a communist, or any crazy shit like that.
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by deano:
Why didn't he take advantage of an election year to try to fix it, as I doubt anyone would want to be seen opposing fixing this.
Yeah, right, because it's not like any right-wingers would try to depict him as a communist, or any crazy shit like that.
Aww bless, was he too frightened of the nasty fascists then? Did some bigger boys tell him not to try fixing it or they would call him names?
Or perhaps he doesn't actually give that much of a shit about the issue?
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or perhaps he wasn't aware of this issue, as I wasn't until the article came out and this thread started.
But of course, he's president so he knows Everything.
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Niteowl
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Originally posted by deano:
Why has Obama - Man... of Hope! - not expended any political capital on fixing the problem outlined by the OP?
Why didn't he take advantage of an election year to try to fix it, as I doubt anyone would want to be seen opposing fixing this. But he didn't.
Has any Democratic congressman tried to introduce any legislation fixing this?
There is very little accomplished during an election year - particularly when a president running for re-election wants it and the other side wants him to look bad. We've had a do nothing Congress who spent the year prior to the election doing nothing but campaigning for their own seat or for their "side". After the election there was this thing called a "fiscal cliff" game of brinksmanship. Obama spent a chunk of political capital ensuring the higher taxes for all didn't go into effect on 1/1. Congress, being congress, kicked most of the problem up 2 months for the new congress to deal with. In short order we have the debt ceiling which has been hit and needs to be raised and the rest of the fiscal cliff mess that congress didn't deal with last year. It's going to be an absolute disaster. Obama by himself cannot do anything that is assigned to the legislature - you'll note his "executive orders didn't do anything for gun control and he can do nothing by himself on budgetary or banking issues. Congress must do it - and they've been doing a bang up job of doing nothing. There is no such thing as negotiation or compromise any more. Both parties want their way or nothing. So, they do nothing or kick the can up the road for a few months.
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by deano:
Why didn't he take advantage of an election year to try to fix it, as I doubt anyone would want to be seen opposing fixing this.
Yeah, right, because it's not like any right-wingers would try to depict him as a communist, or any crazy shit like that.
Aww bless, was he too frightened of the nasty fascists then? Did some bigger boys tell him not to try fixing it or they would call him names?
Or perhaps he doesn't actually give that much of a shit about the issue?
I have a suggestion - sit down, do some research and learn how our system of government works. Especially what a president can and cannot do. I know the campaign ads make it seem like he can do everything, but in reality he cannot.
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by deano:
Why didn't he take advantage of an election year to try to fix it, as I doubt anyone would want to be seen opposing fixing this.
Yeah, right, because it's not like any right-wingers would try to depict him as a communist, or any crazy shit like that.
Aww bless, was he too frightened of the nasty fascists then? Did some bigger boys tell him not to try fixing it or they would call him names?
Or perhaps he doesn't actually give that much of a shit about the issue?
You asked why he didn't do it in an election year, and my point was merely that, in an election year, his first duty was to win the election. This would include not giving very stupid opponents - barking fascists or otherwise - any extra ammunition to use against him. Because some people, deano - and this may shock you - will use anything going to try to score cheap political points, however inconsistent that makes them appear.
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Okay, so can you confirm that the President has no such thing as political influence or political capital?
Can you confirm that the President under no circumstances ever asks a member of congress to introduce a bill on his behalf, or ever will?
Can you confirm that the relationshiip between the White House and Congress is strictly limited to what the Constitution allows and that no informal contacts ever take place to work out the best way of tackling issues?
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by comet:
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Originally posted by deano:
Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
you're one sick little motherfucker, aren't you?
It was a tough primary school. You didn't graduate, you survived.
So physical violence because of perceived homosexuality is OK? As someone who was on the receiving end of violence frequently at school because of my sexuality, you make me sick. Of course you would value 'being tough' over being kind deano, of course you would.
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Originally posted by deano:
Okay, so can you confirm that the President has no such thing as political influence or political capital?
This president had NO political capital during his first term, particularly when the other side made their only goal making him a one term president. This term he started out with very little and pretty much spent it getting as much of the financial cliff crisis solved in a way that didn't hurt middle income or poor people, but not enough to convince congress to get the job done. He's only introducing gun control now, not because he has political capital, but because if it isn't pushed now it never will be. Priorities. the Bankster issue hasn't been on the radar or even on the news til now so I'm not sure it's even crossed the president's desk. A better strategy for those hurt by this would be letters to congressman who can actually do something - not only with legislation, but for individuals as well.
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Can you confirm that the President under no circumstances ever asks a member of congress to introduce a bill on his behalf, or ever will?
The President has asked for Congress to do many things in various speeches, however, you'll notice how many of them get done - pretty much none. Your post, however, asked why didn't the President didn't do anything in an election year (or after) had nothing to do with this and has pretty much been answered. Perhaps as this gains more traction in the press it will become an item that crosses the Presidents desk and he will apply pressure for Congress to do it's job (not that that will do any good). The place to start asking why they didn't do their job is with Congress, not the President. He has a lot on his plate from world problems, other serious domestic problems and a U.S. economy that is once again about to go into meltdown because Congress can't do it's job and pass a budget, deal with the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling.
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Originally posted by deano:
Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
you're one sick little motherfucker, aren't you?
It was a tough primary school. You didn't graduate, you survived.
Well, explains a lot about your general attitude to others.
His posting style indicates he hasn't grown up past grade school.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
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Originally posted by Justinian:
As if robosigning and foreclosing wasn't enough. Banksters have been foreclosing on people, kicking them out of their homes, then reversing the foreclosure and reopening the mortgage. I'm fealing physically sick over this twist. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
Seems there should have to be a signed acknowledgement of being crawfished on, just like any other transaction. A bank saying they sent a notice in the mail doesn't cut it. Or shouldn't. It was always my understanding that in real estate if it ain't in writing, it ain't. So, where did these folks sign off saying it was there property again?
Mortgages are not simple contracts. Contracts are not the sum total of liability. While there are people who have taken advantage of the strange limbo the housing market collapses have created, many are simply screwed by the systems. Why is this difficult to accept?
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by comet:
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Originally posted by deano:
Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
you're one sick little motherfucker, aren't you?
It was a tough primary school. You didn't graduate, you survived.
So physical violence because of perceived homosexuality is OK? As someone who was on the receiving end of violence frequently at school because of my sexuality, you make me sick. Of course you would value 'being tough' over being kind deano, of course you would.
Oh get off your high horse. I’m talking about what 8 year olds in the less politically correct 1970’s in a pit village in the north of England were like.
The point was to highlight the inane, witless whining about the “act” comment above was comparable to what 8 year olds did in the playground at my school.
Anything else you read into it is your problem. Why do you even look in Hell if you are so sensitive to everything?
Deal with it.
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by comet:
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Originally posted by deano:
Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
you're one sick little motherfucker, aren't you?
It was a tough primary school. You didn't graduate, you survived.
So physical violence because of perceived homosexuality is OK? As someone who was on the receiving end of violence frequently at school because of my sexuality, you make me sick. Of course you would value 'being tough' over being kind deano, of course you would.
Oh get off your high horse. I’m talking about what 8 year olds in the less politically correct 1970’s in a pit village in the north of England were like.
The point was to highlight the inane, witless whining about the “act” comment above was comparable to what 8 year olds did in the playground at my school.
Anything else you read into it is your problem. Why do you even look in Hell if you are so sensitive to everything?
Deal with it.
So why aren't you pointing out how wrong those 8 year olds were if you don't agree with it? Yeah, what a laugh being politically incorrect was when you could beat up gays any old time.
And a) I'll be in Hell if I bloody well want to be and b) I wasn't aware that objecting to homophobic violence was 'being so sensitive to everything'. Most people consider that to be basic decency. Perhaps you should try it some time.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by comet:
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Originally posted by deano:
Then lad 2 would realise he'd been had and him and his mates would kick the living shit out of lad 1 and we all laughed.
you're one sick little motherfucker, aren't you?
It was a tough primary school. You didn't graduate, you survived.
So physical violence because of perceived homosexuality is OK? As someone who was on the receiving end of violence frequently at school because of my sexuality, you make me sick. Of course you would value 'being tough' over being kind deano, of course you would.
Oh get off your high horse. I’m talking about what 8 year olds in the less politically correct 1970’s in a pit village in the north of England were like.
The point was to highlight the inane, witless whining about the “act” comment above was comparable to what 8 year olds did in the playground at my school.
Anything else you read into it is your problem. Why do you even look in Hell if you are so sensitive to everything?
Deal with it.
So why aren't you pointing out how wrong those 8 year olds were if you don't agree with it? Yeah, what a laugh being politically incorrect was when you could beat up gays any old time.
And a) I'll be in Hell if I bloody well want to be and b) I wasn't aware that objecting to homophobic violence was 'being so sensitive to everything'. Most people consider that to be basic decency. Perhaps you should try it some time.
Because then it would be a different thread - a Dead Horse! This is about zombie mortgages, my discussion of what Obama and the democrats did about them, and pointing out how childish some posters were.
You want to turn it into a DH thread. Why? To divert attention from the real scandal of the US left not caring about the people with zombie mortgages of course!
You don't want the Democrats to be exposed as the uncaring, unfeeling fools they are, so you hijack a thread with a strawman.
Start your own thread and maybe I'll get interersted in what you have to say.
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I have zero problem with the US government being called out for their zombie mortgages - that's a good thing. So it's not a strawman at all, neither am I trying to make it a DH thread - just commenting on your general lack of humanity and how it hurts others. Not that Jesus is concerned with that or anything.
But to take it back to the OP, it's not about the left in the US - which is a tiny group of people since most Democrats are not left-wing. Do not confuse liberalism with being left-wing, the two are different. It's about the Republicans hating Obama so much that nothing is getting done in Congress about it.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I have zero problem with the US government being called out for their zombie mortgages - that's a good thing. So it's not a strawman at all, neither am I trying to make it a DH thread - just commenting on your general lack of humanity and how it hurts others. Not that Jesus is concerned with that or anything.
But to take it back to the OP, it's not about the left in the US - which is a tiny group of people since most Democrats are not left-wing. Do not confuse liberalism with being left-wing, the two are different. It's about the Republicans hating Obama so much that nothing is getting done in Congress about it.
Oh I could buy that if were even trying to do something, but he isn't. He isn't shouting this from the rooftops!
Will he mention the iniquity of it in his inauguration speech next Monday? No.
Will he mention the iniquity of it in the State of the Union in February? No.
But he will be mentioning other things he wants to do, in spite of an adversarial Congress. Why not add fixing zombie mortgages to the things he wants to do?
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Originally posted by deano:
It isn't terribly difficult to follow Ken, so do try to keep up. I know you tend to feel self-concious and humiliated when around actual thinking Ken, but you don't need to lash out. It's unseemly.
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Originally posted by deano:
You seem to be losing more and more of your credibility with every post you make. I love it!
Hey moderators, can I just hurl some random insults at him please??? Pretty please, just a few, just for laughs??? Go on!! You know you want to see it!
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Originally posted by deano:
I like a good Ad Hominem attack as much as anyone, especially as a diversionary tactic.
Evidently. You like doing your own personal attacks, but when they're done at you, you play the victim or say people are avoiding the issue.
You were the sort who got confused with some primary school-type game, I daresay.
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I guess we shouldn't expect too much from institutions whose very purpose it is to magic money out thin air and then charge compound interest on it. There are no extrinsic titles that could justify this kind of charge on fiat money. It's usury in all its ugliness.
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Originally posted by deano:
]Because then it would be a different thread - a Dead Horse! This is about zombie mortgages, my discussion of what Obama and the democrats did about them, and pointing out how childish some posters were.
You want to turn it into a DH thread. Why? To divert attention from the real scandal of the US left not caring about the people with zombie mortgages of course!
You don't want the Democrats to be exposed as the uncaring, unfeeling fools they are, so you hijack a thread with a strawman.
Start your own thread and maybe I'll get interersted in what you have to say.
You haven't responded to all of the points that have been made refuting your attacks on Obama and Democrats. You love making attacks, but hate responding to sound arguments made in the discussion. You love attacking other posters, but hate it when the tables are turned on you. Pretty much like an 8 year old...
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Jade, rosa and Nightowl! Shame on you. I know this is hell, but to gang up and insult 8-year olds like that.....
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My congratulations and thanks to Craigmaddie for posting on-topic.
And the rest of you remember we hosts have to read this shit. Ho hum, back to the brain-bleach.
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Originally posted by Niteowl:
You haven't responded to all of the points that have been made refuting your attacks on Obama and Democrats.
What points? Nobody has made any points of any note. Plenty of people have stepped up to the plate to defend Obama which I find egregious.
Even your points are derisory and ill-informed! Witness…
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Originally posted by Niteowl:
the Bankster issue hasn't been on the radar or even on the news til now so I'm not sure it's even crossed the president's desk.
But that is refuted by Josephine, so you now have an argument with her…
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He has done some of the things he could do by executive order -- setting up, and then expanding, programs to allow folks to refinance loans that they could no longer afford, as long as those loans were owned or guaranteed by Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae. Any more than that will require Congress to act. And the folks in Congress are too beholden to the banks to do anything meaningful.
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If it hasn’t been brought to his attention, why did he make these changes? Of course he knew about them. The case in the OP goes back to 2010 – 2 years ago!
You can bet your arse that those affected contacted their members of Congress as soon as the letters hit their doormats. That’s the first thing Americans do!
I don’t mind being attacked by anybody. When lefties do it, it reassures me that I must be on the right track.
I especially don’t mind being attacked by dear old ken. It’s like being savaged by a dead-sheep (with apologies to Dennis Healey).
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Originally posted by deano:
You can bet your arse that those affected contacted their members of Congress as soon as the letters hit their doormats. That’s the first thing Americans do!
Shows how much you know about Americans. Most don't even know who their members of Congress are.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by deano:
You can bet your arse that those affected contacted their members of Congress as soon as the letters hit their doormats. That’s the first thing Americans do!
Shows how much you know about Americans. Most don't even know who their members of Congress are.
Bollocks. They find out quick enough when they want to.
Just because YOU don't know, don't assume your fellow countrymen don't.
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YEAH, RUTH!
Seriously, she's right. Maybe some Americans scream to the rooftops about writing their congressmen, but most don't do it.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
YEAH, RUTH!
Seriously, she's right. Maybe some Americans scream to the rooftops about writing their congressmen, but most don't do it.
Even if you are faced with a zombie mortgage? If you can't be bothered to complain to your Congress-critter about something like that, why bother complaining about it at all?
No, the people in the OP probably did contact their members of congress, got nowhere so contacted the media.
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Niteowl
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
YEAH, RUTH!
Seriously, she's right. Maybe some Americans scream to the rooftops about writing their congressmen, but most don't do it.
Even if you are faced with a zombie mortgage? If you can't be bothered to complain to your Congress-critter about something like that, why bother complaining about it at all?
No, the people in the OP probably did contact their members of congress, got nowhere so contacted the media.
It's a minority of people who actually take the time and make the effort to contact their congressman. People are either so taken up with immediate problems or too lazy to write a snailmail letter, writing their congressman isn't what comes to mind. Those who write are generally the few who may actually get taken care of. Quite often it makes the local paper, which would hopefully spur others to contact their local congressman and make the population at large aware of the problem. When the letters hit the proportion of everyone affected by the problem, if it' a really large population, it'll again make the papers, this time national publications. It happens every time their is a large volume of letters being written to congressmen and it ups the chances of both parties actually working together when they see it might be their seat on the line.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
YEAH, RUTH!
Seriously, she's right. Maybe some Americans scream to the rooftops about writing their congressmen, but most don't do it.
I'm pretty sure my half a congressman has me blocked and written down as a stalker.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Niteowl:
You haven't responded to all of the points that have been made refuting your attacks on Obama and Democrats.
What points? Nobody has made any points of any note. Plenty of people have stepped up to the plate to defend Obama which I find egregious.
Even your points are derisory and ill-informed! Witness…
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the Bankster issue hasn't been on the radar or even on the news til now so I'm not sure it's even crossed the president's desk.
But that is refuted by Josephine, so you now have an argument with her…
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He has done some of the things he could do by executive order -- setting up, and then expanding, programs to allow folks to refinance loans that they could no longer afford, as long as those loans were owned or guaranteed by Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae. Any more than that will require Congress to act. And the folks in Congress are too beholden to the banks to do anything meaningful.
This specific problem, isn't what made the executive order round - especially in 2010. The foreclosure mess is many faceted and Obama has done what he legally could to assist those facing foreclosure in being able to renegotiate their mortgages and keep their houses from going under water. That doesn't include this specific problem. Your reading comprehension is deplorable. I didn't defend Obama, I basically gave you a lesson in how the U.S. government is set up, which you obviously didn't pay any attention to and know very little about. Anything that doesn't line up with your hatred of others is brushed off. Do yourself a favor and pick up a book or two on U.S. civics.
For your information, I did not vote for Obama the first time around. I'd have preferred having a decent candidate to vote for as an alternative to Obama this past election, but there wasn't one and with the issues too important I couldn't afford not to vote for him. I am by far a "fan girl". The points I made to you were based on FACTS about the U.S. government along with our current political mess of neither side wanting to compromise for fear of giving the other a political victory. As to citizens writing letters, see my previous post.
You DO have a problem with anyone attacking you as you throw a fit when some someone attacks you - even if it's in response to one of your attacks. Get over it. Ignore Ken if you're that bent out of shape over him that you have to mention him in a post that has nothing to do with him.
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Originally posted by comet:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
YEAH, RUTH!
Seriously, she's right. Maybe some Americans scream to the rooftops about writing their congressmen, but most don't do it.
I'm pretty sure my half a congressman has me blocked and written down as a stalker.
Some of us are unusual, I know and have seen too many of the other type.
BTW, many also don't know that emails get ignored as do most faxes, unless there is a public fax campaign.
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my favorite line, from a phone conversation with him, "you know, you don't get what you want from speaking up and calling me. You get it from hard work."
so far, working my ass off isn't doing me much good.
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Originally posted by deano:
No, the people in the OP probably did contact their members of congress, got nowhere so contacted the media.
Again, you clearly know diddly-squat about Americans. I promise you, the vast majority of people affected by zombie mortgages have not even thought about contacting their Congressional Representatives. Even among people who do write to Congress, this is mostly done in regards to legislation, not for personal problems. I don't know a single person who has ever contacted their Rep. about anything other than legislative issues.
I do, however, know who my Rep. is (that you assume I don't shows you know diddly-squat about me). I haven't written to him about anything yet, because he is a freshman and he is probably still trying to figure out how to work the copy machine and where the men's room is.
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Originally posted by deano:
No, the people in the OP probably did contact their members of congress, got nowhere so contacted the media.
After re-reading the OP link, I think fastest, most efficient way for that guy to get results would be to hit the media. Loud.
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
YEAH, RUTH!
Seriously, she's right. Maybe some Americans scream to the rooftops about writing their congressmen, but most don't do it.
Even if you are faced with a zombie mortgage? If you can't be bothered to complain to your Congress-critter about something like that, why bother complaining about it at all?
No, the people in the OP probably did contact their members of congress, got nowhere so contacted the media.
You know nothing about American government nor American citizens.
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Originally posted by comet:
my favorite line, from a phone conversation with him, "you know, you don't get what you want from speaking up and calling me. You get it from hard work."
so far, working my ass off isn't doing me much good.
I'm sure Mr Congressperson is right and that he got where he is and what he wants through hard work. I doubt it was all his own hard work, by a long measure. Like the banks, he got what he wanted on the back of the hard work of others.
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Originally posted by Niteowl:
You know nothing about American government nor American citizens.
Hush--don't spoil it!!!! He's far more entertaining this way.
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Yeah, deano, tell us about American health care!
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Originally posted by RuthW:
I don't know a single person who has ever contacted their Rep. about anything other than legislative issues.
I have to differ with you, Ruth. Senator John McCain (or at least his office staff) was very helpful when I contacted him about a problem my father was having with the Department of Veterans Affairs.
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Originally posted by deano:
Aww bless, was he too frightened of the nasty fascists then? Did some bigger boys tell him not to try fixing it or they would call him names?
Or perhaps he doesn't actually give that much of a shit about the issue?
Fuck, you're dumb. Are your fingers, like, barfing or shitting? Money bills have to originate in the House of Representatives, which is controlled by the Republicans. Speaker John Boehner, a Republican, decides what bills are brought forward. Boehner has generally followed the "Hastert Rule" which says no legislation is brought forward that won't get the majority of Republican House votes. This has made bipartisan coalitions of centrist Republicans and Democrats a thing of the past.
Now, if you have a mortgage relief bill that a majority of Republican Congresscritters would support, it is unconscionable that you haven't contacted Speaker Boehner to help the homeowners you care so much about.
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Originally posted by comet:
my favorite line, from a phone conversation with him, "you know, you don't get what you want from speaking up and calling me. You get it from hard work."
so far, working my ass off isn't doing me much good.
If you worked harder, you'd have enough to make a decent campaign contribution.
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
Now, if you have a mortgage relief bill that a majority of Republican Congresscritters would support, it is unconscionable that you haven't contacted Speaker Boehner to help the homeowners you care so much about.
No mate, they're your citizens, not mine. Why should I give a monkeys about them if their own Government doesn't.
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You DO have a problem with anyone attacking you as you throw a fit when some someone attacks you - even if it's in response to one of your attacks. Get over it. Ignore Ken if you're that bent out of shape over him that you have to mention him in a post that has nothing to do with him.
Er, I think you seem to be the one throwing a fit!
Here's the very first post that turned this into a slanging match...
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Yes, you are entirely wrong, deano. You are thinking of a Westminster parliamentary system where the party leadership commands a majority, calls the shots and actually gets things done.
No he wasn't, he wasn't thinking at all. He was just hijacking a thread on something he neither knows nor cares about in order to get in a few more racist insults about Obama. Just like the pompous ignorant Tory arsehole he either is, or acts as on this forum.
[Rest snipped for brevity and tedium]
Note, it was posted by your good friend Ken! So I was responding to his Ad Hominem attack, not he to me.
Please read the threads carefully before wading in, it's just good manners.
This is Hell, if I have a pop at someone, then I fully expect to get some back. That's the way it works. Ken had a rant at me so I waded back in. He was expecting it, it's Hell? I'm not going to ignore anyone, that wouldn't be polite.
Anyway, Ken and I have a thing going. He thinks I'm a Nazi and I think he's a Clueless Uninformed Neo Trotskyite.
Kelly, what do you want to know about American Healthcare? Actually scratch that. Raise your own thread.
(Just as an aside, let me clarify where my own knowledge of US politics comes from. For my sins my company sells some software to the US Department of Energy and I spend about a quarter of a year over there on work around that package. Once or twice a year me and some other suppliers meet in Washington with the DoE's Congressional Affairs department to discuss any issues that are pertinent to our packages that Congress has raised. I don't want to over-egg this, there are quite a few of us suppliers there, the questions are low-level stuff that have been on the backburner for a while, and the meetings are with "Assistant to the 3rd Undersecretaries Advisor on..." type levels. But they do like to gossip about their work - don't we all - and we had a pretty good introduction to how thing work when the meetings were set up. As I deal with the Government I like to keep myself up to speed with things over there. So I'm happy that I know as much as the average American about how it works, leavened with a very, very little bit of low-grade "inside the Beltway" yeast.)
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Niteowl
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by Niteowl:
You DO have a problem with anyone attacking you as you throw a fit when some someone attacks you - even if it's in response to one of your attacks. Get over it. Ignore Ken if you're that bent out of shape over him that you have to mention him in a post that has nothing to do with him.
Er, I think you seem to be the one throwing a fit!
Here's the very first post that turned this into a slanging match...
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Originally posted by ken:
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Yes, you are entirely wrong, deano. You are thinking of a Westminster parliamentary system where the party leadership commands a majority, calls the shots and actually gets things done.
No he wasn't, he wasn't thinking at all. He was just hijacking a thread on something he neither knows nor cares about in order to get in a few more racist insults about Obama. Just like the pompous ignorant Tory arsehole he either is, or acts as on this forum.
[Rest snipped for brevity and tedium]
Note, it was posted by your good friend Ken! So I was responding to his Ad Hominem attack, not he to me.
Please read the threads carefully before wading in, it's just good manners.
This is Hell, if I have a pop at someone, then I fully expect to get some back. That's the way it works. Ken had a rant at me so I waded back in. He was expecting it, it's Hell? I'm not going to ignore anyone, that wouldn't be polite.
Anyway, Ken and I have a thing going. He thinks I'm a Nazi and I think he's a Clueless Uninformed Neo Trotskyite.
Kelly, what do you want to know about American Healthcare? Actually scratch that. Raise your own thread.
(Just as an aside, let me clarify where my own knowledge of US politics comes from. For my sins my company sells some software to the US Department of Energy and I spend about a quarter of a year over there on work around that package. Once or twice a year me and some other suppliers meet in Washington with the DoE's Congressional Affairs department to discuss any issues that are pertinent to our packages that Congress has raised. I don't want to over-egg this, there are quite a few of us suppliers there, the questions are low-level stuff that have been on the backburner for a while, and the meetings are with "Assistant to the 3rd Undersecretaries Advisor on..." type levels. But they do like to gossip about their work - don't we all - and we had a pretty good introduction to how thing work when the meetings were set up. As I deal with the Government I like to keep myself up to speed with things over there. So I'm happy that I know as much as the average American about how it works, leavened with a very, very little bit of low-grade "inside the Beltway" yeast.)
You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. I'm not friends with Ken and couldn't care less what transpires between you and him - just offering you some friendly advice that since you keep bitching about him that you simply ignore him. You might find your blood pressure down and the rest of us won't have to read your repetitious posts about how nasty he is to you.
You haven't gotten a very good education on U.S. politics.
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Originally posted by Niteowl:
You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. I'm not friends with Ken and couldn't care less what transpires between you and him - just offering you some friendly advice that since you keep bitching about him that you simply ignore him. You might find your blood pressure down and the rest of us won't have to read your repetitious posts about how nasty he is to you.
Couple of points...
1. Are you going to tell Ken the same thing, seeing as he began this little Ad Hominem-fest as I showed above? Or don't you like to bother other good little lefties?
2. Can't you see that your posts are diatribes against me, and that your posts are repetitious? You are a hypocrite!
3. Lastly, I would like to know where I have been factually incorrect about my knowledge of the US political system. I know the "official", constitutional process governed by separation of powers, and I also know about the "unofficial" process, driven by self-interested politics such as patronage, lobbying and so on. Which bit of my understanding is wrong?
4. Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
I guess Deano has 'studied it out' . ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
(Not sure about the rest of the interview, but the news VTR is kind of funny.)
Sorry Anselmina, I don't do YouTube, it annoys me greatly and I refuse to engage with it.
Is there a precis of what it's about? Or a link to a transcript or something?
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Originally posted by George Spigot:
Fuck em all. I have zero respect politicians right now. Tory's Labour, Libreral are just all the same stinking grey goo. If in future it turns out the greens are just as bad it will be time to storm parliament.
Count me in GS , (might have to wake me up though , I suspect corporate capitalism has a lot more teetering to do before it topples).
What was it they always said about banks ?
Oh yeah . Lend you an umbrella when the sun is shining, and take it back when the rain comes.
Bass-tads.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
So physical violence because of perceived homosexuality is OK? As someone who was on the receiving end of violence frequently at school because of my sexuality, you make me sick. Of course you would value 'being tough' over being kind deano, of course you would.
Sorry to go completely off Hell topic:
But get over yourself Jade, you are not the first, last or only gay person to have had a rough time at school, or in life outside of school, stop bleating about it. It has a time, a place, and a use when used correctly and for the right purposes.
Schools are rough places at times, and yes jokes about being gay were seen as rather funny at the time from what I remember of my school days (both in terms of the age range talked about and going back a couple of years it was the cultural norm), but people grow up, learn that it's not really that ok to do it, and in the main stop doing it, and our current culture has moved mainly away from it, the main problems now being those overly emotional and hormone filled mid-teenagers being the biggest source of issues.
I'm bored of your sob story - I imagine everyone else, in and outside of the LGBT community is aswell.
Rant over.
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