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Adeodatus
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quote:
Originally posted by Amos:
I've drunk very strong G&T in stylish London department stores with curly-headed FIF ******s in rabat and cufflinks.

I wonder if that was the ****** who took part in the following exchange, heard in a bar at Sunday lunchtime some thirty years ago -
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"Will you have something, Father?"
"Thank you very much. A double gin."
"Um ... would you like anything in it?"
"Yes. Another double gin. Very generous of you."



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You could try Churchill's (the PM, not the dog) recipe for a dry martini:
-pour 2 measures of gin into a glass;
-glance at bottle of vermouth;
-drink.

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Following A.Pilgrim's request in the Styx, I have reopened this thread and am sending it to Heaven.

seasick, Eccles host

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I had my last Martini last night--giving it up for the season and all that. Miss it already!

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quote:
Originally posted by Amos:
I have drunk pink GIN in a Cambridge college during the great Bitters Drought of 20**. I've drunk very strong G&T in stylish London department stores with curly-headed FIF ******s in rabat and cufflinks. I've drunk GIN with senior Evangelicals in their clubs, and with bright young scholars of Wesley House and Westminster College. But best by far is the GIN that the landlady of my local hands me when I stick my head round the door of the pub after Evensong on a Sunday in Ordinary Time. Three cheers for GIN, the Focus of Unity!

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A.Pilgrim
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Originally posted by A.Pilgrim:
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Originally posted by Scots lass:
There is another way. Peel of 2 lemons and 2 seville oranges, 10oz sugar and a litre of cheap gin, left for a fortnight and shaken/stirred every day gets you Orange Gin which is a thing of great joy. The longer you leave it the better, but after a fortnight it's pretty good... (I made a second batch today, just in time to get the last of the seville oranges)

Thank you, Scots lass, I'll definitely try that! Now, I saw some seville oranges in the supermarket last Friday, must rush down there tomorrow to see if they've still got some. Otherwise it will be a whole year before I can get any again. [Waterworks]

Way-hey! I've got the seville oranges, and the concoction is in process. Now, what do I do with two peel-less seville oranges? I've already made my marmalade this year.
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Originally posted by Ariston:
Voice of experience here: for most fruit or other liqueurs, you probably want to use the highest-octane alcohol you can find. Everclear (193 proof grain alcohol) is far and away the best potable solvent you can use. Granted, for sloe gin or blackberry whiskey (note the "e"—bourbon is superior to Scotch or even rye in this case, due to its natural sweetness), you'll want, well, gin or bourbon,* but for orangecello, creme de cacao, hibiscus liqueur, or anything herbal, go for the neutral spirits.

I'm sure that's good advice, Ariston, and I'd be interested in following it, but I guess that you are writing from a US POV as I don't recognise your suggested spirit. And if my calculation is correct (50% Alcohol By Volume equals US 100 proof) it is 96.5% ABV [Eek!] [Ultra confused]
The only suitable spirits available in the UK stronger than 40%ABV are (AFAIK) cask-strength single malt scotch whiskies at around 60%, and I just couldn't force myself to commit the sacrilege of using one to make a fruit liqueur, not to mention the cost...
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Mmm, gin....I'd like a double served with a good measure of cloudy apple juice, topped with elderflower fizz please.

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Our collection currently includes Hoxton gin, which is flavoured with grapefruit and coconut.

Makes an interesting G&T.

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I'm fond of a martini, about a 4:1 ratio, preferably Plymouth GIN and Noilly Prat (though I've recently read it's quite easy to make one's own vermouth, and I intend to try it). When I can't afford Plymouth, I buy Monopolowa, which is remarkably similar for about half the price.

I square the "olive or twist" circle by using lemon-stuffed olives.

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I'm also a Plymouth GIN fan, though I think their old bottle was better than their new one from an aesthetic viewpoint. I'm currently out of it, but I'll be taking care of that tomorrow. In the meantime, Woodford Reserve Bourbon made a more-than-adequate substitute for my Friday pre-weekend tipple.

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If it doesn't mean if I have to surrender my GIN card, I'm happy to admit I'm rather fond of the Woodford Reserve too.

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Tanqueray on ice with two olives. Perfect end to a busy day.l
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quote:
Originally posted by A.Pilgrim:
quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
Voice of experience here: for most fruit or other liqueurs, you probably want to use the highest-octane alcohol you can find. Everclear (193 proof grain alcohol) is far and away the best potable solvent you can use. Granted, for sloe gin or blackberry whiskey (note the "e"—bourbon is superior to Scotch or even rye in this case, due to its natural sweetness), you'll want, well, gin or bourbon,* but for orangecello, creme de cacao, hibiscus liqueur, or anything herbal, go for the neutral spirits.

I'm sure that's good advice, Ariston, and I'd be interested in following it, but I guess that you are writing from a US POV as I don't recognise your suggested spirit. And if my calculation is correct (50% Alcohol By Volume equals US 100 proof) it is 96.5% ABV [Eek!] [Ultra confused]
The only suitable spirits available in the UK stronger than 40%ABV are (AFAIK) cask-strength single malt scotch whiskies at around 60%, and I just couldn't force myself to commit the sacrilege of using one to make a fruit liqueur, not to mention the cost...
Angus

1. Vodka works, you just end up paying more for the water. Grain alcohol is basically vodka concentrate—just add your own water once you're done!
2. Yup. You did that math right. 193 proof is as strong as you can get alcohol by traditional distillation—there are some nifty chemical tricks you can use to get it to absolute purity, but, since alcohol is mildly hydroscopic—it absorbs water vapor from the air—that won't last long. Needless to say, after you're done doing the soaking, you dilute your Concoction of Death. A lot of diluting, actually. Seeing as your standard liqueur is about 25% alcohol, and you're starting (let's be honest) pretty damn close to 100% . . .

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Originally posted by Ariston:
1. Vodka works, you just end up paying more for the water. Grain alcohol is basically vodka concentrate—just add your own water once you're done!
2. Yup. You did that math right. 193 proof is as strong as you can get alcohol by traditional distillation—there are some nifty chemical tricks you can use to get it to absolute purity, but, since alcohol is mildly hydroscopic—it absorbs water vapor from the air—that won't last long. Needless to say, after you're done doing the soaking, you dilute your Concoction of Death. A lot of diluting, actually. Seeing as your standard liqueur is about 25% alcohol, and you're starting (let's be honest) pretty damn close to 100% . . .

Wow! You mean you can actually buy food-grade 'pure' alcohol for domestic use? Ah, the joys of cross-cultural discovery that the Ship facilitates. [Smile]

Many years ago I did investigate the purchase of some pure ethanol (I forget what I wanted it for now) and you would not believe the bureacratic obstacles. Basically it's unobtainable if you are a private individual, just as if you wanted to buy arsenic. The good ol' UK nanny state thinks that if you could possibly do yourself harm with it, no matter how responsible you might be, you can't have it! After all, you might be so stupid as to drink your 'Concoction of Death' (like it! [Big Grin] ) without diluting it first!! And we can't allow that risk!! No, no no!! [Eek!] at the thought!!

But I'd better not get into a Purgatorial diatribe here. We Brits will just have to resign ourselves to 37.5%ABV gin and vodka for our home-made fruit liqueurs. And when the minimum-price-per-unit-of-alcohol policy comes in, the price will go up even more.
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Originally posted by A.Pilgrim:
The good ol' UK nanny state thinks that if you could possibly do yourself harm with it, no matter how responsible you might be, you can't have it! After all, you might be so stupid as to drink your 'Concoction of Death' (like it! [Big Grin] ) without diluting it first!! And we can't allow that risk!! No, no no!! [Eek!] at the thought!!

Some people would be desperate enough to do it (and have done in the past). This seems like a sensible precaution. You can just see young men egging each other on, can't you? Or alcoholics getting hold of a bottle of this? Or someone accidentally getting the dilution quotients wrong - especially if they'd already had a few? The trouble is that not everyone does act responsibly.
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Wow! You mean you can actually buy food-grade 'pure' alcohol for domestic use?

I have a recipe for coffee cordial that calls for grain alcohol. When I was visiting my daughter in Washington, D.C., she went with me to a liquor store so I could buy some.

When I told the clerk what I wanted, he appeared not to understand me. I had to repeat myself several times. Finally I got what I wanted.

Later my daughter told me that grain alcohol is the drink of choice for die-hard alcoholics. The clerk had probably never before sold any to a white-haired little old lady.

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Originally posted by Ariel:
quote:
Originally posted by A.Pilgrim:
The good ol' UK nanny state thinks that if you could possibly do yourself harm with it, no matter how responsible you might be, you can't have it! After all, you might be so stupid as to drink your 'Concoction of Death' (like it! [Big Grin] ) without diluting it first!! And we can't allow that risk!! No, no no!! [Eek!] at the thought!!

Some people would be desperate enough to do it (and have done in the past). This seems like a sensible precaution. You can just see young men egging each other on, can't you? Or alcoholics getting hold of a bottle of this? Or someone accidentally getting the dilution quotients wrong - especially if they'd already had a few? The trouble is that not everyone does act responsibly.
Granted, not all states allow you to buy 193-proof Everclear. Some only allow 75% pure to be sold, and some ban even that.

Because, believe it or not, there are lots of people who take shots of Everclear straight. Sometimes (at least!) eleven in a night. After that many, you apparently lose count, forget to keep the running tally on your hand, etc.* Oh, and there's always frat house trash can punch:
1 trash can
1 container of Kool-Ade powdered drink mix
1 handle (1.75 liter) bottle Everclear
Water
Mix ingredients together in trash can, reserving some of the drink mix and Everclear. Pour a double shot of Everclear; have volunteer handy. Volunteer should shoot the Everclear, then take a good swig of the punch. If he can't taste the alcohol, add more; if he throws up, add more drink mix. Repeat until set. Probably has a strength of at least 80 proof, judging by what I remember of the taste.

Look, there's a reason why people who usually buy microbrews/good wine/are over the age of 25 usually get looked at funny when we buy the stuff. The number of people making liqueurs or doing science experiments (ethanol's an amazing solvent for a certain class of chemicals) is much, much smaller than the number looking to get truly and seriously fucked up.

*She was mostly fine in the morning, by the way. Didn't have to go to the hospital, though it was a near thing at times.

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I prefer Bombay Sapphire because it's, quite simply, the very best there is! I usually have a double with an ounce or so of Schweppes slim-line tonic. I cannot get the right tonic at our local Irish-owned pubs and they put too much tonic in, so I prefer to drink it at home. I am on an Atkins diet so I cannot afford to have all that sugar!

(It's good enough to drink straight, as I am doing now, when I run out of tonic - remember, there is no such place as Ambridge and where I live it is still O Dark Thirty in the morning - hours to go before sun-up!)

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quote:
Originally posted by A.Pilgrim:
The good ol' UK nanny state thinks that if you could possibly do yourself harm with it, no matter how responsible you might be, you can't have it! After all, you might be so stupid as to drink your 'Concoction of Death' (like it! [Big Grin] ) without diluting it first!! And we can't allow that risk!! !

When I was at university, in La Jolla (the poshest neighbourhood in southern California) we raided the biology labs to get ethanol and we made screwdrivers out of it! Light-years cheaper and less stupefying than real Vodka and likely less sick-making than plain fermented orange juice!

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Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
I prefer Bombay Sapphire because it's, quite simply, the very best there is!

With you on that one, Sir Kevin - my son introduced me to it, and it was bit like the first time I tried Basmati rice. After that, nothing else would do.

Mrs. S, down to her last two litres of Bombay Sapphire

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As someone who used to drink Bombay Sapphire almost exclusively, I will respectfully disagree. It makes a wonderful martini, but it's not all that special in a G&T.

I love beef, but it's not the only meat I will eat (I wouldn't want to give up bacon, for instance). There are a lot of wonderful, small-batch gins available in any large US city if you take the time to look for them. Some of them are, admittedly, swill--but some of them are absolutely divine. It's worth experimenting--some are more herbal, some are more citrus, and some have a wonderfully strong juniper taste (which I happen to like, as long as they don't cross that invisible line toward turpentine).

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Alaska Distillery's Bristol Bay Gin has replace sapphire in my house. it's amazing.

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I love martinis.

Recipe:

Significant quantity of cold gin
Show gin to vermouth bottle (full or empty)
Three olives on a swizzle stick.

Heaven!

In winter a hot gin toddy takes away the blahs.

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Tanqueray 10, tonic water, ice, and a slice of lime.

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In my GIN days, now long past, I used to enjoy a glass of neat Ketel 1 Jonge Jeneveh - bottle out of the fridge and glass out of the freezer - when I got home from work. Later in the evening a glass of similarly cold Oude Jeneveh, but I can't remember the brand I preferred. Oude Jeneveh bears many similarities to single malt whisky but is easier on the palate.

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quote:
Originally posted by Organ Builder:
As someone who used to drink Bombay Sapphire almost exclusively, I will respectfully disagree. It makes a wonderful martini, but it's not all that special in a G&T.

I love beef, but it's not the only meat I will eat (I wouldn't want to give up bacon, for instance). There are a lot of wonderful, small-batch gins available in any large US city if you take the time to look for them. Some of them are, admittedly, swill--but some of them are absolutely divine. It's worth experimenting--some are more herbal, some are more citrus, and some have a wonderfully strong juniper taste (which I happen to like, as long as they don't cross that invisible line toward turpentine).

Long way to go to buy GIN, even for me!

Mrs. S, longtime resident of This Sceptred Isle

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Originally posted by The Intrepid Mrs S:
Long way to go to buy GIN, even for me!

Mrs. S, longtime resident of This Sceptred Isle

Yes, I'll admit I was responding more to Sir Kevin, which was perhaps a bit ill-mannered.

Still, some of those small-batch gins which I love come to us FROM your Sceptred Isle...

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Plymouth gin for me please. Don't like the new bottle though. I was always told that it was time to get a new bottle when the friar's feet were dry!
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Originally posted by Scots lass:
There is another way. Peel of 2 lemons and 2 seville oranges, 10oz sugar and a litre of cheap gin, left for a fortnight and shaken/stirred every day gets you Orange Gin which is a thing of great joy. The longer you leave it the better, but after a fortnight it's pretty good... (I made a second batch today, just in time to get the last of the seville oranges)

Thank you, Scots lass, I'll definitely try that! Now, I saw some seville oranges in the supermarket last Friday, must rush down there tomorrow to see if they've still got some. Otherwise it will be a whole year before I can get any again. [Waterworks]

Way-hey! I've got the seville oranges, and the concoction is in process. Now, what do I do with two peel-less seville oranges? I've already made my marmalade this year.

Well, I've made the orange gin, and it's not bad. It was left to steep for 4 weeks, and I ended up using 70cl of gin and 8oz sugar with the 2 lemons and 2 sevilles. I always use less sugar to begin with and then add it to taste after straining. This means that I can adapt to varying levels of sweetness in the fruit (if that's what I'm using) and I can avoid over-sweetening and getting a drink that I find too sickly-sweet. You can always add more sugar, but it's very difficult to take it out if there's too much!

With the seville oranges and lemons I think the flavour is very much like marmalade (which I do like), so I think I'll call it 'Marmalade Gin'. I don't think that it will be one of my top favourites (those are probably blackberry scotch, gooseberry vodka and blackcurrant vodka) but I'm very pleased to have tried it. Are you enjoying yours, Scots lass? [Smile]
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I like a cup of tea

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quote:
Originally posted by Crazy Cat Lady:
I like a cup of tea

Ah well, you'll want
this thread then.

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After returning to the Anglican Church about two years ago, and after reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that most members are very capable pissheads.

I never get drunk, it was the Church Warden's fault, he kept on topping up my glass when I wasn't looking

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... any shipmates out there who remember The Campaign for Real Gin? A real organisation (raised money for medical research) with a splendid ball at the Waldorf and the CRG stakes at Towcester.

Serious stuff now:
Gin Royale
Take a bottle of good (Tanqueray at least) gin: add two handsful of sloes and a flat dessertspoon of caster sugar; agitate in its demi-john before sealing and leaving in a dark place for a week. On day 8 taste and adjust sweetening, if necessary, before adding a half-pound of raspberries and returning to dark place for a further 2 weeks.

On day 22 add another half-pound of raspberries, mix well and taste: adjust sweetness if necessary. Return to cupboard for 1 further week before straining and decanting into sterilised dark glass bottles.

Serve over crushed ice with a twist of lime.

Chin-chin! [Smile]

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Could somebody explain the association between Anglo-Catholicism and gin?

I'm aware of the famous Kenneth Leech quote from the seventies. Had the image of the gin quaffing Anglo-Catholic priest long been a staple when Leech came up his description of one aspect of Anglo-Catholic culture?

Why gin, as opposed to whisky or sherry?

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Just that gin did the rounds in a/c clergy houses, in contrast t the stereotypical RC priest drinking whiskey alone.

Ken's phrase was part of a paper about what he called the 'fussy, precious. gynophobic and unpleasant side of AC culture.' - I have the full paper if anyone wants to PM me.

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quote:
Originally posted by A.Pilgrim:
Well, I've made the orange gin, and it's not bad. It was left to steep for 4 weeks, and I ended up using 70cl of gin and 8oz sugar with the 2 lemons and 2 sevilles. I always use less sugar to begin with and then add it to taste after straining. This means that I can adapt to varying levels of sweetness in the fruit (if that's what I'm using) and I can avoid over-sweetening and getting a drink that I find too sickly-sweet. You can always add more sugar, but it's very difficult to take it out if there's too much!

With the seville oranges and lemons I think the flavour is very much like marmalade (which I do like), so I think I'll call it 'Marmalade Gin'. I don't think that it will be one of my top favourites (those are probably blackberry scotch, gooseberry vodka and blackcurrant vodka) but I'm very pleased to have tried it... [Smile]
Angus

Were I not on Atkins Diet still, I would get my lovely bride to make me up some of that as I am no chef or bartender, as well as being temporarily adverse to sugar...

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Gin...beastly stuff.

Unless you stuff it in a jar with sloes and sugar for a couple of months, that`s when the magic starts.

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,,, of course, there's nothing wrong with a classic G&T as produced by my late great-aunt

  • Swirl 5 drops of bitters around glass
  • add double measure of good gin (always keep in fridge or at least as cold as possible)
  • if you have a glut of it, add a half-measure of tonic
She blamed wartime rationing for the strength of her gins - quinine being hard-to-come-by don't you know.

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