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Percy B
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A question as well as a request for help about the presence light before the blessed sacrament.
I recently visited a chapel where the light was provided from a flame burning from a wick which went into a smallish clear jar filled presumably with oil.
It look lovely - clear and bright. Is it possible to get such a 'system' or how odes one do it oneself. Basically I guess the answer is bottle, oil, wick. But the more specific is what thickness, what type of oil?
Help on doing it GREATLY appreciated folks.
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Percy, you've struck a chord in my memory. In my genuflexious youth I was part of a team of sacristans and one of my tasks was to refill the lamp in front of the tabernacle.
So, each day after school, I would stop off at the church to refill the lamp. It was a messy business because there was no pulley system so I had to use a stepladder to get the glass down from the lamp. If no flies or moths had got themselves immolated in the flame, it was a quick job to refill the glass with oil. I'm pretty sure this was olive oil which came in a large tin.
The same company which sold us the oil also supplied the cork disc to float on the surface of the oil. The top of the disc was covered in metal apart from a small hole in the middle. Over this hole would be placed a tiny metal cross which had an equally tiny wick in it. The trick was to get the refilled glass back into the lamp without spilling any oil. Then I had to manoeuvre the floating wick to the centre of the glass before lighting it. That way you avoided the lamp chains getting soot stains on them.
Once a week the lamp glass would have to be scrubbed clean, a job I'm afraid I left to my grandmother (oh, the guilt ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) ). Despite the kerfuffle involved, I used to love the golden glow that lamp gave off. For me, it was such a palpable sign of the Presence.
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Oo, happy memories for me too.
I seem to remember that the lamp oil was rather expensive, so we experimented with some alternatives. We had some luck, as I recall, with a substances marketed as 'Spry: crisp 'n dry'... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
The slightly fish-shop odour could be disguised with liquid incense from a shop in Walsingham. This came in numerous flavours, including my favourite - cannabis. I couldn't get the Vicar to see what a wheeze it might be to deploy this one during the annual Police Carol Service.
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Originally posted by Divine Praises:
Percy, you've struck a chord in my memory. In my genuflexious youth I was part of a team of sacristans and one of my tasks was to refill the lamp in front of the tabernacle.
"Genuflexious"? I love it! ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif)
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Percy B
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Originally posted by Ceremoniar:
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Originally posted by Divine Praises:
Percy, you've struck a chord in my memory. In my genuflexious youth I was part of a team of sacristans and one of my tasks was to refill the lamp in front of the tabernacle.
"Genuflexious"? I love it!
What a magic term ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Ah! I am not getting positive vibes about this idea! Daily attention, funny smells... Doesn't sound as appealing as I hoped.
Shame the light I saw from the lamp looks crisp and sharp and bright. And better than some of those waxy 7 day big candles.
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Does anyone know at what point, if at all, it becomes unsafe/undesirable to continue using a chalice with a scratch in the gold plating inside the bowl? I don't mean the tiny little scratches that seem to get in there all the time.
(I always wonder how those scratches get there - aside from small ones from cleaning, since gold is awfully soft, after all. But a deep scratch? Maybe someone with really long, hard nails intincted. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) )
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Originally posted by churchgeek:
Does anyone know at what point, if at all, it becomes unsafe/undesirable to continue using a chalice with a scratch in the gold plating inside the bowl? I don't mean the tiny little scratches that seem to get in there all the time.
(I always wonder how those scratches get there - aside from small ones from cleaning, since gold is awfully soft, after all. But a deep scratch? Maybe someone with really long, hard nails intincted. )
Usually wiping with a damp cloth with some speck of grit involved in some way will do the trick with gold plate. A cloth must ordinarily be absolutely clean and dry. A slightly used or soiled towel can easily scratch the gold you speak of. Unfortunately, the only remedy is replating.
I doubt that intinction or finger nails at the administration of the sacrament are involved, but nails might be involved with scratches when the interior gold of a chalice is cleaned in the sacristy after use.
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I know what you mean about the little scratches in the cup of the chalice. They seem to be rather common and are proably the result of a combination of a slightly damp cloth and stray piece of grit. There really is nothing for it but to try and avoid using a damp cloth, and to brace yourself to have the chalice regilded from time to time.
I know I am probably in the minority on this one, but it is a favourite rant of mine. However, why is it that the most paranoid "Germophobes" persist in self-intinction? Commonsense should tell you that the practice 'dunking yer own' is a darn good way of sharing whatever one has on one's fingers with the rest of the congregation. If folks must intinct then I would rather they held the host in their hand and let the priest dip it and place it on their tongue. The old 'front edge trick' prevents one coming into contact with the comuunicants spital and keeps the Communion as being something one receives rather than one takes for one's self.
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I was, of course, joking about the fingernails and intinction.
But I do wonder, is there a point where a scratch is deep enough to harbor anything icky? Is there a point when it should be replated for that reason, rather than aesthetic ones?
Or, can a scratch be deep enough to jeopardize the metals - either the plating or the metal beneath it - by holding water and tarnishing/rusting?
I guess the first question actually doesn't only apply to plating. A solid gold or silver chalice could also have a deep scratch (or pock-mark). Would that ever be a reason in itself to stop using the chalice and/or have it fixed?
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So, related to hierarch would the Catholic Church consider it's priests to be sacerdos or kohen or both?
I think in this context sacerdos is the Latin equivalent of cohen. Presbyteros is more the Greek/Latin equivalent of elder, or possibly rabbi.
In some languages, it would be difficult to say 'consider it's priests to be sacerdos or kohen'. It's English that it seems to have conflated the two concepts of ministry into one word. Presbyteros definitely doesn't originally mean cohen/hiereus/sacerdos. Priest derives from presbyteros but has absorbed the other meaning because whatever different English or Anglo-Saxon word existed for 'a person who sacrifices animals' has disappeared out of the language.
We'll need input from someone who actually knows the answer to this one, but I am under the impression that in Latin, the Roman Catholic Church does use sacerdos in some context as a term to describe its clergy.
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Enoch -
Thanks for your reply. My knowledge of such things is not even limited. It's non-existent! So your clarification and reply is most helpful.
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There's a chant in the Roman rite to be sung at the reception of a bishop (famously set by Bruckner) to the words "Ecce sacerdos magnus" (Behold a high priest.
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Originally posted by Percy B:
I recently visited a chapel where the light was provided from a flame burning from a wick which went into a smallish clear jar filled presumably with oil.
Was it one of these? I've been discussing the merits of such a candle in emergency preparation on another forum. The only problem I see from a church standpoint is that the longest burn time I can find online is 50 hours.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by New Yorker:
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We'll need input from someone who actually knows the answer to this one, but I am under the impression that in Latin, the Roman Catholic Church does use sacerdos in some context as a term to describe its clergy.
In Italian, the usual word is 'prete' (clearly derived from presbyteros); there is also 'sacerdote' which AFAIK is rarer. I don't think either of them have connotations that don't belong to the other, but I may be wrong.
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Originally posted by venbede:
There's a chant in the Roman rite to be sung at the reception of a bishop (famously set by Bruckner) to the words "Ecce sacerdos magnus" (Behold a high priest.
I love the Bruckner Ecce Sacerdos Magnus. The most recent time I heard it in a Catholic setting was at the installation of Raymond Burke in St. Louis many years ago, although if I recall correctly it was chopped in half somewhere. The full version, complete with Gloria Patri, was skillfully performed at Church of the Ascension in Chicago on the occasion of Bishop Lee's first visitation to that church. I believe it was the church's Feast of Title, Ascension of our Lord.
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I believe the word for priest in Gaelic is sagart which is clearly derived from sacerdos. In Welsh, on the other hand, the word is offeiriad, (presumably) one who offers.
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As a matter of interest what are the ministers of Welsh chapels called by their connexions? Presumably they wouldn't want a word with such overtones. (Just as Calvinistic minister would not call himself a priest.)
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Originally posted by venbede:
As a matter of interest what are the ministers of Welsh chapels called by their connexions? Presumably they wouldn't want a word with such overtones. (Just as Calvinistic minister would not call himself a priest.)
Gweinidog as a rule, or sometimes bugail.
However 'priest' as a word is but a mangled form of presbyter, which literally means 'elder'. You will find those aplenty in Calvinistic places.
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Which words are used for CinW clergy and on the Welsh side of the pages in the Prayer Book? Is it just offeiriad or are either of the others used in any contexts as well?
Does any shipmate know if there is a Roman Order Mass in Welsh, and whether that also uses offeiriad? Or do they use some other word?
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There is a Welsh version of the Roman Rite. I don't know off the top of my head what word it uses but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't offeiriad. That's what the CinW uses.
As Methodists we generally use minister/gweinidog unless we're being precise in which case we speak of presbyters ("presbyter"(!) in Welsh) and deacons ("diacon" in Welsh).
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Mr. Rob
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Originally posted by churchgeek:
I was, of course, joking about the fingernails and intinction.
But I do wonder, is there a point where a scratch is deep enough to harbor anything icky? Is there a point when it should be replated for that reason, rather than aesthetic ones?
Or, can a scratch be deep enough to jeopardize the metals - either the plating or the metal beneath it - by holding water and tarnishing/rusting?
I guess the first question actually doesn't only apply to plating. A solid gold or silver chalice could also have a deep scratch (or pock-mark). Would that ever be a reason in itself to stop using the chalice and/or have it fixed?
Well give some indication if you are joking or not. That would be a help, right?
A scratch "deep enough," as you put it, to harbor imbedded matter should be sent off immediately for re-plating. If that presents a problem, borrow another chalice to use until the former one is returned.
Chalice cups are never made of solid gold. The weight would unbalance the chalice, and the cost would be prohibitive. Chalice cups, however, frequently made of
vermeil (fer-meh)
... a plating of at least 10k gold fused over sterling silver.
A chalice, such as one that has been lost, defaced or buried, should have the metalwork restored and then be re-consecrated as an original vessel for altar service would be.
Did you find one in a grave? I've actually seen a chalice that was dug up. After re-plating you would never know ...
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If the chalice is properly washed and dried immediately with proper care, I can't imagine that the scratch would create any problems for the metal--or for drinkers, either. Unless it goes so deep that you are looking at an actual leak through any minute...
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Which words are used for CinW clergy and on the Welsh side of the pages in the Prayer Book? Is it just offeiriad or are either of the others used in any contexts as well?
Does any shipmate know if there is a Roman Order Mass in Welsh, and whether that also uses offeiriad? Or do they use some other word?
The Preface to the CinW's Green Book uses "offeiriad".
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The Church in Wales uses offeiriad in places where the task is restricted to an ordained priest (or bishop), and gweinidog (minister) where any person may lead.
Yes, there is a (beautifully presented!) Roman Missal in Welsh, and offeiriad is also used there for words only to be spoken by a priest.
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Originally posted by Oferyas:
The Church in Wales uses offeiriad in places where the task is restricted to an ordained priest (or bishop), and gweinidog (minister) where any person may lead
Morning prayer from the aforementioned green book, I've noticed.
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Okay, super random question--
I'm going to be shaving my head this spring as a for St. Baldrick's, a group that raises money for pediatric cancer research. Some of you may remember I did this in 2011. However, in 2011, I wasn't an Eucharistic Minister.
I'm comfortable running around with my little bald head bare. However I'm wondering if I should cover it while I'm serving, so I'm less of a distraction to worshipers. And if so, what should I use as a cover? I have scarves, beanies, headbands, hats...
(And for those of you who may not know, I present as female.)
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If you're suggesting traditional, I'd prefer a zuchetto. Or I could just wear one of my footy hats.
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I don't know, but I'd have thought you'd be just as possibly distracting as the only covered server as if you were cropped.
If people say afterwards "Why has that efficient and stylish server got no hair?" then there can be the answer "Well, she's doing it for a good cause. Would you like to contribute?"
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That's a Very Good Idea. Wear your baldness with pride!
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Judgmental as an Eccles regular might be, I honestly wouldn't give your bald head any more than a passing thought, especially if you had already hit me up (as a hypothetical member of your church) for a St Baldrick donation. If you really wanted to wear a hat, I think any plain old hat would be appropriate. A simple knit hat that stays close to the head would probably be best. A zucchetto wouldn't be big enough and would look weird. Besides, everybody knows the zucchetto is not worn during the distribution!
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I also say go bald. Especially as people in your church surely saw you do this before and know you well enough, right?
I know a woman who had chemo years ago, and her hair never fully grew back - it's really patchy. She always wears a hat, and has some really stylish ones. When she's serving, she swaps her stylish hat for a little white knit hat (her hair is white, anyway). No one seems to think anything of it, as far as I know. I think people tend to not question something like that. (Maybe some think she's a hold-over for women having their heads covered in church!)
--Oh, there you go! You can tell people you're following the Scripture that says if a woman has her head uncovered, she may as well be bald!
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Continuing the earlier discussion....
This being a terrible night on TV, I can further report that the (solidly Low Church) Church of Ireland uses Sagart for priest, and Ministir for parts of a service not restricted to the ordained.
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I also say go bald. Especially as people in your church surely saw you do this before and know you well enough, right?
Not to brag *too* much, but our ASA has almost doubled in the last year.
Bald or black cap it is, then.
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The gold plating of the inside of chalices and ciboria is intended primarily to honor the Blessed Sacrament, not to protect the communicants. If the metal beneath the gold electroplating were silver, I would not expect any significant chemical interaction with the wine; if the metal beneath the gold were brass or copper, however, the wine might acquire an "off" taste. Unless the administration of communion were extremely prolonged, I do not think that poisoning would be likely.
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Does any shipmate know if there is a Roman Order Mass in Welsh, and whether that also uses offeiriad? Or do they use some other word?
This is the Sunday Missal in Welsh, with the order at the front and the 3 year lectionary for Sundays and Holy Days.
The Officiant is referred to as "Offeiriad".
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
Okay, super random question--
I'm going to be shaving my head this spring as a for St. Baldrick's, a group that raises money for pediatric cancer research. Some of you may remember I did this in 2011. However, in 2011, I wasn't an Eucharistic Minister.
I'm comfortable running around with my little bald head bare. However I'm wondering if I should cover it while I'm serving, so I'm less of a distraction to worshipers. And if so, what should I use as a cover? I have scarves, beanies, headbands, hats...
(And for those of you who may not know, I present as female.)
Scarves, beanies, headbands or hats. Surely you jest! However you "present," those head coverings will be the distraction, and not so much your shaved head.
This is merely your own self-consciousness feeling that people will be looking at you in some way that commands their attention other than some brief notice. When I began headshaving years ago I had this feeling that everyone was looking at me because of that. They weren't. They were merely looking at me, but not just my shaved head. If they do remark, then that is your perfect opening for a pitch from you about your worthy cause.
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I didn't think Spiffy was being self-conscious at all. I took it she was being considerate to others.
There is a whopping big difference in the effect of a female and a male being bald.
But I agree, (since Spiffy is asking for advice) no extra covering, which could well only draw attention to her.
Hope you raise lots for your good cause.
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On the off chance someone here might have any idea:
We have a long-handled candle snuffer that I'm told was designed for our high altar candles (which are oil, and really large, dating from the 60s). Instead of a lighter, it has a large ring opposite the snuffer. Any ideas what it might be for? The ring is a similar diameter to the candles. Nobody here knows.
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Does the ring give any indication that something else might have been attached? It may have had refillable canisters, which might have been useful for longer processions.
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Yes! I just asked again this afternoon, and someone did know. There used to be a fuel canister attached, and situated so if you placed the ring on top of the follower (apparently the candles were real wax back then) it would aim straight at the wick. I don't know why we don't use it anymore.
Sorry, carry on.
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Originally posted by Mr. Rob:
Scarves, beanies, headbands or hats. Surely you jest! However you "present," those head coverings will be the distraction, and not so much your shaved head.
A black scarf is more of a distraction than the glare off my bald head? By God, if I wear sneakers while serving, EVERYONE COMMENTS. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Spiffy
Our previous minister was given to wearing sandals while serving in the summer. He did wear socks when he did, though. No one seemed to care that much.
I see nothing wrong with a shaved head myself, but I can only speak for myself. However, there are a number of very nice headcoverings that are out there, I know! Use a head covering that matches the color of the liturgical season!
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Is there a blessing which I may use for adults who have come forward during Communion but who do not wish to receive the elements?
Is there one for children? I occasionally come across parents who want their children to not receive until they have accepted Christ and/or been baptized (this is common in some Protestant denominations). Also, my regular congregation includes one junior member whose mother would allow him to receive, but who is quite shy and usually refuses. I would like to be able to offer a blessing for them, but don't usually know what to say.
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I usually say simply "May Almighty God bless you, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen."
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Does anybody know a place from where spare censer lining bowls may be had?
We have a censer that is of perhaps very little monetary value but of great historical and sentimental value in our little diocese, but trying to use it is an exercise in futility, as the bowl of it is so deep that it is very difficult to accurately place charcoal into it, or incense once the charcoal is in, for that matter. Mucking it out is also a nightmare because it is so deep, and charcoal easily goes out due to the poor airflow.
The original lining bowl must have been quite shallow but this is long gone. Does anybody know where I might get a spare, either new or second-hand?
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A Methodist friend of mine who regularly attends Catholic Masses is quite the connoisseuse of in-place-of-communion-blessings. As I continue my liturgical formation, I asked her for advice on what I should do, which she refused to give. "It's like your wand," she said. "It has to choose you."
At my fake Mass last month, I had a few people come up for blessings. I made a cross of their forehead while saying "May the Lord bless you and keep you, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
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I wonder every week about what is going on with this. What is the blessing at Communion for non-communicants actually for? Of course, in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church it isn't actually a part of the rite at all but an innovation that would appear to be a direct breach of Sacrosanctam Concilium 22 and canon 846. As an "abuse" it might seem to be a fairly innocuous one but as I touch the shoulder of yet another non-communicant and say, as is the habit in our sylvan fastness, "May Almighty God bless you and keep you close to Him always", I really do wonder what it's got to do with the Liturgy of the Mass.
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