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MW Report 2440: Michaelsgemeinde (Schloßkirche), Pforzheim, Germany (Page 2)
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Thread: MW Report 2440: Michaelsgemeinde (Schloßkirche), Pforzheim, Germany
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Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
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Originally posted by leo:
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'You must stay for the entire service, you know.' To which I replied 'Well, of course.'
I'd ask whether the 'entire service' including the 'coffee hour' or whether this was optional.
Otherwise, I'd find a walk in the park more conducive (unless they were serving sherry - then I'd stay.)
Coffee Hour at Hampton Court Palace? The mind reels! On the other hand at ASMS the printed order of service included this notice: 'The licenced establishment in the undercroft opens xx minutes after the end of the high mass.' (or words to that effect) ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Besides which for the past few years sherry and wine have been available in the church garden after Mass, weather permitting.
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Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras
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At an Anglo-Catholic parish of my young adulthood, in Texas, the EYC (Episcopal Young Churchmen -- i.e. the teenagers) on occasion sold bloody marys and screwdrivers (vodka-orange juice) after Mass to raise funds for their activities. Not sure whether or not this was strictly legal, but was much appreciated. IIRC there was sometimes also mimosas/bucks fizz on offer. Otherwise we didn't normally have a "coffee hour".
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Baptist Trainfan
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Originally posted by venbede:
For me, instant coffee is not coffee, just a coffee flavoured hot drink.
Preach it, brother, yay! Freshly-brewed for me, please.
Of course, there are some churches which have two morning services with the "coffee hour" in between. The idea is for members of both congregations to mingle. Won't work so well for multiple Masses, of course.
As a child (MTR Anglican., early 1960s) it was "Tea in the church hall afterwards". Not even sure if C....e was on offer!
PS I once heard John Bell advocating that every church should have coffee "perking" during the service! How would that aroma mingle with the incense? Not a problem for the CofS, of course!
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Zach82
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Instant coffee isn't much of a thing in the United States. Drip coffee machines are everywhere, and every Episcopal church I have ever heard of has one of those restaurant sized percolators. My current parish has three- two for regular coffee and one for decaff!
If you want espresso, though, you have to go to your local mega-church. Or just go to the coffee shop around the corner instead.
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Angloid
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Drip coffee isn't much of an improvement on instant. I usually go for tea unless I can see an espresso machine (and I never have yet, in a church).
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Edgeman
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Originally posted by Utrecht Catholic:
It is not quite clear to me why some people make such a fuss about the "Coffee hour",since it is no part of the service,you can alway leave.
I don't think Our Blessed Lord appreciates you disparaging the eighth sacrament of the church like this.
Coffee hour is something new for us, I don't think we started doing it until our last pastor started it last year, but it's greatly appreciated. A lot of our parishioners are commuters, and it's hard to build a sense of a real parish family when many of us don't even live in the same neighborhoods. It's voluntary of course, but free food is hard to resist.
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seasick
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Drip coffee isn't much of an improvement on instant. I usually go for tea unless I can see an espresso machine (and I never have yet, in a church).
We do have one in of the churches here as it has a coffee bar. It's sadly not used on a Sunday morning though!
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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A church without a coffee percolator? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
That's not possible.
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Bishops Finger
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Alas, it is possible......
.......but we have GIN instead......
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venbede
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I'm not at all sure percolators are used domestically in the UK nowadays. I noticed this morning at the church hall the coffee was made with a plunger.
I have known places where having sipped my tepid brown liquid, I'm not altogether sure whether it is meant to be tea or coffee.
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Zach82
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Percolators are pretty rare for home use in the US these days. Drip machines and French presses are the norm, though those single serving automatic jobbers are on the rise. Percolators remain pretty common for food service though, since they can make a massive amount of the stuff.
As for drip machine coffee being just as bad as instant. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Angloid
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As for drip machine coffee being just as bad as instant.
Well, slight exaggeration. But I am never enthused to attend meetings in hotels or conference centres where that is clearly what is on offer. Especially if it's been put into those flasks with pumps in the lid which I am never able to operate without spilling.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Angloid:
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Originally posted by Zach82:
As for drip machine coffee being just as bad as instant.
Well, slight exaggeration. But I am never enthused to attend meetings in hotels or conference centres where that is clearly what is on offer. Especially if it's been put into those flasks with pumps in the lid which I am never able to operate without spilling.
I think the fault lies there with the flasky things. And the fact that two things that the vast majority of hotels have only in piss-poor forms are coffee and beer. This is a great shame, as that's two food groups out.
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Mamacita
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Originally posted by Angloid:
Drip coffee isn't much of an improvement on instant. I usually go for tea unless I can see an espresso machine (and I never have yet, in a church).
Some of the churches around here talk about installing espresso machines because they think they'll keep the thirty-somethings from running out to St. Arbucks after dropping their little darlings off for Sunday school. As if it's about the coffee. But I digress.
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Olaf
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"St. Arbucks"! ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Well, now I'm tempted to go back to my church, only for the sake of putting a St. Arbucks sign above the coffee pot!
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venbede
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Originally posted by Mamacita:
As if it's about the coffee. But I digress.
Quite. It's not about the coffee. And outside Italian and French bars, nobody can make an espresso in less than five minutes.
You were not digressing. You were taking us back to liturgy.
I'm starting a thread in Heaven.
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Originally posted by venbede:
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As if it's about the coffee. But I digress.
You were not digressing. You were taking us back to liturgy.
Actually, I was thinking unChristian thoughts about those who see fit to drop Jason and Jessica off for a Jesus Injection while then heading out for a latte and ditching the liturgy altogether, or the adult forum. Happy to take credit for a skillful re-direct, though. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
On the other hand at ASMS the printed order of service included this notice: 'The licenced establishment in the undercroft opens xx minutes after the end of the high mass.' (or words to that effect)
Wasn't open the Sunday I visited (some years ago) because of renovations being done in the undercroft. Had to be happy with lemonade in the courtyard, IIRC.
Still well worth the visit. And it warms my heart to know that the history of All Saints', Margaret Street, includes my nearly stopping everyone's heart by dropping a hymnal on the floor with a bizarrely overly loud slam. Must have dropped it just right for maximum acoustic effect.
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FWIW, in the RCC Churches I have frequented (German, Australian, Dutch, British, US, French, Italian, Spanish, Belgian, Filipino, ... probably forgetting some), "coffee hour" was never a feature. RC worship everywhere I've been consists essentially of "in - sacrament - out", with the "out" bit quite commonly resembling a minor stampede. I think there may be such a thing now offered by my current RC parish (in the UK), but it takes careful detective work to find out about it and I have exactly zero interest in it - as is the case for at least 90% of my fellow parishioners.
I feel weirdly compelled to see something amiss with that. But to be perfectly honest, I don't. I just don't think of church as that kind of community, really. I feel no particular loss at not knowing most of my brothers and sisters in Christ from Adam. Hmm. Perhaps it's more like Trekkies converging at a movie theater to see the latest Star Trek movie. It's not really necessary to know everybody who is coming. Actually, it would be annoying and perhaps a bit creepy if there was some kind of forced "social event" attached to seeing the movie. Rather, the community of Trekkies forms precisely in the act of hastening to the movie theatre to see the latest Star Trek movie. Obviously, if it was a very small movie theatre with just a handful of patrons, one would get to know each other fairly quickly. But if it is a big one with many patrons, then not. And that's OK.
Well, perhaps that's just me. It remains fact though that in the RCC "coffee hour" is a rarity, in my rather international experience...
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A slightly different light on the usual absence of a coffee hour in local RC churches comes from the fact that the norm is for one priest to have to say/celebrate 3-5 masses on Sunday morning -- not always in the same building, but usually -- as well as the 1-2 on Saturday night. The usual parish has one priest for 5-6000 families. (And, FWIW, the average priestly age seems to be 70+)
Friends of mine say the routine is 5 minutes to park the car, 45 minutes for mass and 5 minutes to clear the parking lot to allow the next set in. Not really time for coffee or even to shake hands.
John
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Originally posted by John Holding:
Friends of mine say the routine is 5 minutes to park the car, 45 minutes for mass and 5 minutes to clear the parking lot to allow the next set in. Not really time for coffee or even to shake hands.
Yes. That's why my father always backed the car into a parking space so he could make a speedy exit after Mass.
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Augustine the Aleut
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The only RC churches where I have really seen anything comparable to a coffee hour is where they are ethnic or heritage language (national or quasi-national parishes, in canon law terms) parishes. There the churches serve as social centres (and even job markets)-- they transcend even Lutheran and UCC churches for baked treats and snacks and I heartily recommend our local Polish and Croatian churches for goodies. While there is a bit of initial awkwardness for those of us who become visible minorities at a Chaldean or Syro-Malankarese coffee hour, I have found people generally quite friendly and have found myself carrying take-away packages for my sustenance. Shipmates who find themselves at such events will find it difficult to return to the percolator coffee and supermarket cookies of their home diocese (or presbytery).
The other advantage of the older (as opposed to the suburban) RC ethnic or Orthodox church, is that they are usually in a good area for coffee-houses and bakeries should they not host their own. One of my Orthie friends (priestly family) tells me that this is because there are always some carefully fasting parishioners who need their fix to avoid collapsing after the 47th akathist.
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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That may be, Augustine, but nothing beats the particular delight of egg sandwiches and a platter of UCCan baked treats, and the coffee/tea. It is a cultural package, along with the smell of wood combined with decades of ladies' perfume and a bit of dust.
It is home, in a way nothing else can me.
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Originally posted by John Holding:
A slightly different light on the usual absence of a coffee hour in local RC churches comes from the fact that the norm is for one priest to have to say/celebrate 3-5 masses on Sunday morning -- not always in the same building, but usually -- as well as the 1-2 on Saturday night. The usual parish has one priest for 5-6000 families. (And, FWIW, the average priestly age seems to be 70+)
Friends of mine say the routine is 5 minutes to park the car, 45 minutes for mass and 5 minutes to clear the parking lot to allow the next set in. Not really time for coffee or even to shake hands.
John
Well, it works for us. We have four Sunday masses, and the first three are back-to-back: 8:30, 10:00, and 12:00. The half hour break between masses is coffee 'hour'. The Saturday evening mass has coffee afterward as well. I have no idea if the Sunday 8PM mass has any afterward, but I'd doubt it. I think the main reason, personally, is a lack of people to actually attend! In your average U.S. Catholic parish, a good third will leave right after communion and another third will leave during the recessional hymn.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
That may be, Augustine, but nothing beats the particular delight of egg sandwiches and a platter of UCCan baked treats, and the coffee/tea. It is a cultural package, along with the smell of wood combined with decades of ladies' perfume and a bit of dust.
It is home, in a way nothing else can me.
I have found such offerings to be a very agreeable part of a UCC funeral.
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
That may be, Augustine, but nothing beats the particular delight of egg sandwiches and a platter of UCCan baked treats, and the coffee/tea. It is a cultural package, along with the smell of wood combined with decades of ladies' perfume and a bit of dust.
It is home, in a way nothing else can me.
I have found such offerings to be a very agreeable part of a UCC funeral.
Don't forget the church's musty mid-century basement floor tiles! Ya gotta have those.
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