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Eigon
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I don't often venture into Ecclesiantics, but I have a puzzle to solve. A friend is doing research into a Lord Chief Justice called Lord Kenyon, who died in 1802. In his obituary in the Times, his excessive meanness was mentioned, with the phrase "it was Lent in the kitchen, and Passion Week in the parlour."
We can work out Lent in the kitchen - but what on earth does "Passion Week in the parlour" mean?
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Bishops Finger
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A general sense of gathering gloom and impending disaster, perhaps? (Taking 'Passion Week' to mean 'Holy Week', that is).
Sounds a right bundle of laughs.....
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Gracious rebel
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Could it possibly be a reference to lack of fancy decorations (ie when the altars are stripped etc) if it was to indicate his stingyness in home decor.
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dj_ordinaire
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An excellent thought GR, but at that stage such practices were unknown in the Established church and Roman Catholic practices would *never* have been referenced in the 'Times'. There could however have been a practice for removing home decorations in the run up to Good Friday perhaps?
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Fast versus feast maybe ?
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Custard
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Passion Week (agreed that it's Holy Week) would be a time of solemnity - Passion Week in the parlour would mean that all the conversation was serious, without entertainment or anything like that.
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Chapelhead
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I believe that until the second half of the nineteenth century theatres in England could not open during Passion week (the rules had been gradually eased - at the beginning of the century the prohibition would have included all Wednesdays and Fridays in Lent, but the restriction became limited to closure on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday).
So 'Passion week in the parlour' would suggest no frivolity in a room where relaxation and enjoyment might have been expected.
[ 22. October 2012, 21:36: Message edited by: Chapelhead ]
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Eigon
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Thanks - that makes sense!
My friend's mind was going along the lines of uncomfortable furniture.
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Wm Dewy
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Could "Passion Week" have meant the week between Passion Sunday and Palm Sunday? Or not that early in the nineteenth century?
In my memory Passiontide is two weeks before Easter, but since the 1979 Prayer Book Passion Sunday and Palm Sunday are the same day.
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Ceremoniar
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Passion Week is traditionally the week before Palm Sunday. Until 1970, the 5th Sunday in Lent was known as Passion Sunday and the last two weeks of Lent were called Passiontide. This is still observed in EF churches and some traditional AC parishes. During Passiontide, statues, images and crosses are veiled in violet, and several modifications are made to the liturgy, such as the dropping of the Gloria Patri wherever it appears.
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Mama Thomas
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And a great recovery in the CofE. Common Worship
has restored Passiontide, starting the Sunday before Palm Sunday as a time of special solemnity.
Having only one Sunday to sing those glorious hymns of the Passion hymns means that generations now have have gone without them until this restoration.
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Enoch
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I think Chapelhead has got it right. There's not much point in looking at post Oxford Movement ideas to get an impression of the religious assumptions of 1802.
The prayer book in 1801 did not recognise Palm Sunday in the modern sense but did have daily epistle and gospel for what we would now call Holy Week. The gospel readings are very long. It was customary at that period to include Antecommunion even if the Lord's Supper was not being celebrated, and nobody else was attending. So it is possible that these might have been read each day after Morning Prayer.
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Mamacita
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quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:
Thanks - that makes sense!
My friend's mind was going along the lines of uncomfortable furniture.
Since the original question has been answered satisfactorily, it seems reasonable to close the thread.
Mamacita, Eccles Host
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