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Freddy
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As long as you keep the Christmas carols out of the Sunday morning services, I think you're on solid ground.
At my church Christmas carols are sung at every service in December.
In fact almost a quarter of all the songs in the hymn book are Christmas songs, so there is a large supply.
People would be quite unhappy if we did not sing them throughout the month.
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Liturgylover
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The trouble with Christmas Day carol services, and indeed with Christmas Day worship, in some places is the total lack of public transport.
Or draconian yellow line restrictios and exorbitant 24/7 car parking charges. One of my members actually came out of church a couple of years ago and found that her ar had ben ticketed. She had assumed that charges would not apply. It did rather spoil her Christmas.
That would be awful - I am glad to say that in London, as well as the congestion charge being suspended from Christmas Eve until January 2, parking restrictions are also lifted and not enforced from Christmas Eve until 27th, and on all Sunday and Bank holidays, which makes driving in to attend a special service very pleasant and stress-fress.
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Belle Ringer
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Originally posted by Freddy:
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Originally posted by Vulpior:
As long as you keep the Christmas carols out of the Sunday morning services, I think you're on solid ground.
At my church Christmas carols are sung at every service in December...
People would be quite unhappy if we did not sing them throughout the month.
The 1940 Episcopalian Hymnal puts Joy to the World in the General Hymns section. The 1982 moves it to Christmas. But that does raise a question which hymns are Christmas by secular expectation instead of by actual words? A song that goes from birth through crucifixion through resurrection and possibly also coming again does not need to be limited to Christmas even though the first verse is birth related.
In the local Methodist church the new pastor allows one Christmas song (or 3 hymns total) each Advent Sunday, the old pastor banned Christmas until the 24th. I can see arguments for both sides. They do the doxology to "O Christmas Tree" all of Advent.
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Olaf
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In the local Methodist church the new pastor allows one Christmas song (or 3 hymns total) each Advent Sunday, the old pastor banned Christmas until the 24th. I can see arguments for both sides. They do the doxology to "O Christmas Tree" all of Advent.
I've really relaxed "in old age" on the point of Christmas hymns in Advent. On Advent 4, for instance, the First Reading was from Micah ("But you, O Bethlehem"), so we used "O Little Town of Bethlehem" and "Once in Royal David's City." A cheat perhaps, but given that it was December 23 and some of the people there were invariably counting that as "Christmas Church," we thought it to be a decent pastoral compromise. "Joy to the World" is in the Advent section of our hymnal, so we used that somewhere in Advent, too.
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Percy B
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With some Anglicans keeping Christmas / Epiphany to 2 Feb...when was latest Carol service encountered?
A friend said they had a Christingle at Candlemass...
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Zacchaeus
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Originally posted by Percy B:
With some Anglicans keeping Christmas / Epiphany to 2 Feb...when was latest Carol service encountered?
A friend said they had a Christingle at Candlemass...
I don't think Christingle services are specifically meant as carol services,they can be held any time.
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Percy B
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But they are strongly associated with Christmas I think.
However I don't know a lot about their history. I thought they were a mid European Protestant Christmas event.
I personally have not come across Christingle services away from Christmas or Epiphany. They do seem moe to do with darkness than a summer evening may permit.
If Carols are in some ways about folksy lighter traditional religious songs then maybe an Easter Carol Service is not a daft idea !
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ken
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Originally posted by Zacchaeus:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Percy B:
[qb] With some Anglicans keeping Christmas / Epiphany to 2 Feb...when was latest Carol service encountered?
I don't think we've ever had a carol service as such after about 6pm on Christmas Eve. Carols are sung on Christmas Day, and perhaps on any Sundays that come between Christmas Day and New Year's Eve. After that its wise men and candles for a bit, but not actually babies in mangers.
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If Carols are in some ways about folksy lighter traditional religious songs then maybe an Easter Carol Service is not a daft idea !
Well, there are Easter carols. Quite a lot of them. But most congregations won't know them.
It does give you the chance to use both Love is come again (which also works at Advent and Christmas) and the Best Traditional Carol Of All, Tomorrow Shall Be My Dancing Day which works at almost any season of the year. Unfortunately the wonderfully bouncy tune just demands to be played in a morris dance style with whistle (or recorder) and drums. And an electric bass. Sorry.
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Baptist Trainfan
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I'm sure that the Introduction to the (original) "Oxford Book of Carols" included a plea for Easter carol services.
Anyway, here is something relevant, albeit from a Reformed viewpoint.
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ken
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
... the (original) "Oxford Book of Carols" ...
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Liturgylover
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Originally posted by Percy B:
With some Anglicans keeping Christmas / Epiphany to 2 Feb...when was latest Carol service encountered?
A friend said they had a Christingle at Candlemass...
Well, St Albans Abbey had what they describe as an Epiphany and Candlemas Carol service on 3 February. And St John Chipping Barnet (surely one of the last parish churches with an exclusively male choir?) have an annual Easter Carol Service. I have the service order of hymns and anthems if anyone is interested.
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