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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
For anyone who's not keeping up: "scientismist" = "person who I can't get to agree that my subjective experience is equivalent to hard empirical evidence."
WRONG!!! But I can't be bothered to argue with someone who's being deliberately disingenuous.
Mark, I've yet to hear anything from you that convinces me that your use of the term differs in any significant manner from what I've described.
But feel free to ascribe your inability to communicate the distinction with disingenuity on my part. It saves you from having to make any kind of watertight case, at least.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Porridge:
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
That's what you call "being disingenuous", and I see a lot of it on here, especially coming from scientismists/atheists, like SusanDoris and Porridge.
I'm not a scientismist.
Well, if you are an atheist but you aren't a scientismist, where does your moral code come from?
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Mark Betts
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Mark, I've yet to hear anything from you that convinces me that your use of the term differs in any significant manner from what I've described.
But feel free to ascribe your inability to communicate the distinction with disingenuity on my part. It saves you from having to make any kind of watertight case, at least.
(Sigh!) It's like having to spoon feed a baby:
Wiki article on Scientism
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Posted
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Mark, I've yet to hear anything from you that convinces me that your use of the term differs in any significant manner from what I've described.
But feel free to ascribe your inability to communicate the distinction with disingenuity on my part. It saves you from having to make any kind of watertight case, at least.
(Sigh!) It's like having to spoon feed a baby:
Wiki article on Scientism
I thought you couldn't be bothered to argue? Please keep your promises!
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Mark Betts
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
I thought you couldn't be bothered to argue? Please keep your promises!
I suppose it's too much to hope for, that you might just shut up and read it!
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Posted
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
I thought you couldn't be bothered to argue? Please keep your promises!
I suppose it's too much to hope for, that you might just shut up and read it!
I know what scientism means. I'm talking about the way you use it on here.
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Porridge
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Posted
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Porridge:
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
That's what you call "being disingenuous", and I see a lot of it on here, especially coming from scientismists/atheists, like SusanDoris and Porridge.
I'm not a scientismist.
Well, if you are an atheist but you aren't a scientismist, where does your moral code come from?
Who says I have a moral code? Quit spreading dirty rumors!
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Mark Betts
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Posted
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Porridge:
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
That's what you call "being disingenuous", and I see a lot of it on here, especially coming from scientismists/atheists, like SusanDoris and Porridge.
I'm not a scientismist.
Well, if you are an atheist but you aren't a scientismist, where does your moral code come from?
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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lilBuddha
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Posted
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I am looking out of the window for the horsemen of the Apocalypse (unlikely to see them flying past the fifth floor on the courtyard side, I suppose, but still...) - I agree with Evensong about something.
I'm sure Susan Doris is a perfectly nice lady but her debate style is like whackamole. She pops up over and over and over and over again, saying exactly the same thing, no matter how many times people engage with her to tell why it's a strawman argument. It gets tedious.
Mark Betts [[LIKES]] this.
Of course you like this. It describes your debate style perfectly. The difference being SD actually debates* as opposed to merely spewing pejoratives.
*In accordance with the guidelines of offering a definition of unfamiliar words...
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debate- a contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
(Sigh!) It's like having to spoon feed a baby:
It's more like the baby has grabbed the spoon and is flinging apple sauce all over the kitchen.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Of course you like this. It describes your debate style perfectly. The difference being SD actually debates* as opposed to merely spewing pejoratives.
*In accordance with the guidelines of offering a definition of unfamiliar words...
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debate- a contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
Quotes File.
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SusanDoris
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I wish I was any good at being witty, but I'm afraid that wasn't in my genes, so I do hope you can imagine some clever comment I might have made if I was! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
I've a foot in both camps as I agree with some of the criticisms of SusanDoris. But I don't think she's inane. I think she's cheerfully confident of her worldview, and I think that gets up a lot of people's noses - as cheerful confidence about anything usually does. I also think she adds something useful to the boards by way of discussion.
Thank you, and yes you're right, it's all in the genes! And at my age, I don't have time to be gloomy!
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Dammit, Susan! Why can't you be wracked with self-doubt like a proper Ship of Fools theologian?!
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Originally posted by Leaf:
Look at SusanDoris. She's an incurable optimist! With cute shoes! She uses lots of smilies ! What's not to love?
Ah, now here I have to tell you that the feet aren't mine. Someone found them on the internet for me years ago for my avatar! *wonders whether to add a smiley*
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You can get so used to her woolly-headed persona that, unless you look closely, you may miss the slight edge of madness in the constant smile... and the fact that she is always trying to push you off a cliff.
Smiley unavoidable here.
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SusanDoris
Incurable Optimist
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Originally posted by Evensong:
So you are unable to see that the majority of faithful Christians on this ship do not believe God and science/nature/creation are incompatible or mutually exclusive?
On the contrary, I think I can see it clearly and understand it too, since that was my view when young.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
For anyone who's not keeping up: "scientismist" = "person who I can't get to agree that my subjective experience is equivalent to hard empirical evidence."
Well, I must say I like that definition!
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mousethief
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Posted
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
(Like anyone is really going to change their mind in a Ship discussion.)
MadGeo did. Well to be precise many Ship discussions over the course of many weeks.
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
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Originally posted by Porridge:
I'm not a scientismist.
They all say that.
Only the true Messiah denies his divinity! He is! He is the Messiah!
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Originally posted by SusanDoris:
Ah, now here I have to tell you that the feet aren't mine. Someone found them on the internet for me years ago for my avatar!
Follow the shoe! Follow the shoe!
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Jay-Emm
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I'm wondering if there's a language issue here:
there is a vocabulary that allows *theists in part to qualify statements, talk in the abstract.
We (*theists) may be wilful jerks , or misjudge where compromise is, or presume other groups agree or otherwise foul up. But language allows us to say "Anglicans believe ...", "if Christianity is true then..." or use the 'god' of the ontological proof, or focus on the mundane.*
But with Atheism on the other hand, I'm struggling to find any framing statements that don't devolve into new-speak or sound unnatural.
*I may be wrong here, I only know what I mean and interpret...in which case we have an excuse. And from the atheist perspective things might be reversed.
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Lyda*Rose
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Posted
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
(Like anyone is really going to change their mind in a Ship discussion.)
MadGeo did. Well to be precise many Ship discussions over the course of many weeks.
That doesn't really surprise me. Mad Geo is exceptional. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
BTW what did he change his mind about? I know at some point he changed from a Theist to an Atheist, but that may not be it.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
BTW what did he change his mind about? I know at some point he changed from a Theist to an Atheist, but that may not be it.
He went from being a right-wing, "I did it all by myself and so could you if you weren't so lazy" bootstrap type to admitting that luck plays a huge part in people's success, and having more compassion for people down on theirs.
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Evensong
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Posted
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Originally posted by SusanDoris:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
So you are unable to see that the majority of faithful Christians on this ship do not believe God and science/nature/creation are incompatible or mutually exclusive?
On the contrary, I think I can see it clearly and understand it too, since that was my view when young.
So you are being disingenuous then when you present your either or arguments.
Leaf is right. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
An no amount of smiley's will hide that
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Posted
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
(Like anyone is really going to change their mind in a Ship discussion.)
MadGeo did. Well to be precise many Ship discussions over the course of many weeks.
I broke up with the church thanks in large part to the Ship.
probably don't want to use that in the PR, though.
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Bostonman
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Evensong,
For a post-modernist, you're pretty focused on certain binaries (sincere/disingenuous being the key one here), pretty convinced that your truth is more objective than SusanDoris's or the others posting on this thread, that logic is central (cf. Derrida's decentering), that the motives of the author are important (cf. Roland Bathes, "Death of the Author"), and that "science" or "reason" and "faith" or "religion" are meaningful concepts that exist outside the power-knowledge complexes that create them and can therefore be somehow objectively reconciled (cf. Foucault on, well, anything).
Ceci n'est pas une "How do you like THEM apples?"
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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Originally posted by Bostonman:
Ceci n'est pas une
Use English or provide translations.
Even when I applied Google Translate to that one (and got "this is not a"), and recognised the relationship to some Magritte paintings, the overall sentence made little sense. So I don't have high hopes for you producing something in English that's actually worth reading.
But the point is that Shipmates should not be expected to go to Google Translate. They should be able to immediately see whether or not you're talking out of your arse in the Ship's native language.
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Bostonman
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My apologies. "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" is a Foucault essa, titles after a painting by Rent Magritte. Just a post-modernism joke.
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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As Bostonman apparently doesn't know what the word TRANSLATE means, the title of the essay, and of the painting, is "this is not a pipe".
As to what the fuck "this is not a how do you like them apples" means, you're on your own folks.
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Bostonman
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Man, I really screwed that one up, didn't I? I could blame typing on a phone rather than a keyboard but the fault is all mine. "This is not a pipe" is is in fact the translation. As for "How do you like them apples?" it's a quote from the movie "Goodwill Hunting"...the protagonist gets the phone number of a girl and holds it up in the window to his rival with the words "Do you like apples? I got her number. How do you like THEM apples?" Sometimes translation can help for American as well as French!
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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Honestly, it's like trying to have a discussion with a performing seal...
I know the origins of both halves of your demented sentence, okay? That doesn't automatically mean it makes a lick of sense when you mash the two together.
I'll sign off from this ridiculous exchange now with this thought: Blessed are the poor, for they a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Bostonman:
My apologies. "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" is a Foucault essa, titles after a painting by Rent Magritte. Just a post-modernism joke.
René. Not Rent.
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Porridge
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Otherwise, though, perfect.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Porridge:
Otherwise, though, perfect.
Not really. I think "titled" and not "titles" is meant.
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Bostonman
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# 17108
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Posted
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Bostonman:
My apologies. "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" is a Foucault essa, titles after a painting by Rent Magritte. Just a post-modernism joke.
René. Not Rent.
Yeah, auto-correct and all that. Clearly I've managed to flush any attempt at a substantive point down the toilet through my own total idiocy in the last few posts and a throwaway sentence/totally nonsensical joke at the end of the one before those.
But hey, the point should stand on its own. Or so the post-modernists would suggest (assuming I could spell their names)
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Bostonman:
But hey, the point should stand on its own.
If I'd seen the movie you mention and was able to claw my way through your spelling and grammar errors, perhaps.
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Golden Key
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Posted
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Originally posted by Porridge:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Well, if you are an atheist but you aren't a scientismist, where does your moral code come from?
Who says I have a moral code? Quit spreading dirty rumors!
There, there. A moral code doesn't have to espouse good morals. It can be 99 Theses For Bad Beings (tm), or even be an amoral code. (99 Amoral Aphorisms for Anthropoids?)
Relax!
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Originally posted by Bostonman:
Clearly I've managed to flush any attempt at a substantive point down the toilet through my own total idiocy in the last few posts and a throwaway sentence/totally nonsensical joke at the end of the one before those.
Don't worry, you made your point.
Evensong wears Postmodernism like clothes, to dress up the shameful parts of her theology. It is not be taken seriously. Neither is Postmodernism itself, of course. Like most things of French origin, it makes sense only after a bottle or two of good Bordeaux - and causes severe headaches in the morning.
But we were talking about SD, the conversational equivalent of Carroll's Cheshire cat. Well, I do not know if one can behead a grin without a thought...
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orfeo
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Nice of you to add a spot of racism into the mix, Ingo.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Nice of you to add a spot of racism into the mix, Ingo.
Typical German.
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and then his leg fell off
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RuthW
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It's not racism, as the French aren't a race. It's bigotry. And the French aren't entirely to blame; the post-structuralists read Heidegger and Nietzsche.
That said, I wish I could get back all the time I wasted reading French literary theory. All you really learn from it is that if you chase your own tail with sufficient exuberance you end up with your head up your ass.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Originally posted by RuthW:
It's not racism, as the French aren't a race. It's bigotry.
Thank you, I guess. Actually, it was more low-level national rivalry, the sort that might make orfeo tell jokes about Kiwis and sheep...
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Originally posted by RuthW:
And the French aren't entirely to blame; the post-structuralists read Heidegger and Nietzsche.
Nietzsche at least was a brilliant thinker, whatever else one can say about him. Heidegger is just a demonstration that the most confused shit can be made to appear terribly profound if hidden beneath the cryptic and mysterious but merciless and unending rape of language.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
That said, I wish I could get back all the time I wasted reading French literary theory. All you really learn from it is that if you chase your own tail with sufficient exuberance you end up with your head up your ass.
Well, they do make some valid points about literature. The problem was that they found themselves a new hammer, and then the entire intellectual world appeared as one giant nail to them...
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by IngoB:
Well, they do make some valid points about literature. The problem was that they found themselves a new hammer, and then the entire intellectual world appeared as one giant nail to them...
![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif) I actually get this joke.
I credit NDNU.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Evensong:
I blame Bostonman for this sudden spate of erudition.
It's unseemly.
...said the postmodernist.
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Tortuf
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mousy,
I think that was an attempt at humor.
I thought it was funny anyway. But then, I thought Ingo was funny too.
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Sioni Sais
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I'm not sure whether I should simply point out that this from IngoB was the last post about SusanDoris or mention that it started the PoMo/Post-Structuralist tangent.
Anywhere here it is, and this post is no less relevant than the intervening posts.
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kankucho
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quote:
Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
I'm wondering if there's a language issue here:
there is a vocabulary that allows *theists in part to qualify statements, talk in the abstract.
We (*theists) may be wilful jerks , or misjudge where compromise is, or presume other groups agree or otherwise foul up. But language allows us to say "Anglicans believe ...", "if Christianity is true then..." or use the 'god' of the ontological proof, or focus on the mundane.*
But with Atheism on the other hand, I'm struggling to find any framing statements that don't devolve into new-speak or sound unnatural.
*I may be wrong here, I only know what I mean and interpret...in which case we have an excuse. And from the atheist perspective things might be reversed.
A very interesting Purg topic, I'm sure. Or at least, something that evolves by page 6 of most Purg threads where theos and atheos start having a go at each other.
That's all from me. Three pages of watching SuDo being trashed is doing my head in. I'm off to drown some kittens.
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IngoB
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Three pages of watching SuDo being trashed is doing my head in.
SuDoKO.
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Ironic really. Nietzsche is the father of nihilism , which is the father of postmodernism
No it isn't! Modernism is the father of postmodernism; a classic rebellious child response. "You can't tell me what to think, just look at what you think".
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
Ironic really. Nietzsche is the father of nihilism , which is the father of postmodernism
No it isn't! Modernism is the father of postmodernism; a classic rebellious child response. "You can't tell me what to think, just look at what you think".
Modernism is the mother of Pomo. The identity of the father of Pomo is not certain, so "Motherfucker" is a fair description.
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I feel like playing ping pong...
comet, Hellh*st
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Perhaps a group ****er would be in order, now?
Lord Jaysus, we would just like to lift up to you those troubled souls in this thread. They have heavy burdens, and in the Name of Jaysus we ask for healing, Lord! Just touch them! Pour your anointing oil on the stormy seas of their lives! Hallelujah! We feel your mighty presence!
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I wish I was seeking justice loving mercy and walking humbly but... "Cease to lament for that thou canst not help, And study help for that which thou lament'st."
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