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mousethief
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There's only so many times someone can say "it's not what you say it's the way you say it" and have it ignored.
EE, if you would stop being so self-righteous and listen to what others are saying you just might learn something. These people haven't jumped on this thread for no reason at all. There's a common denominator here, and it's your posting style. But you refuse to hear, instead responding with snideness, tu quoque, and abuse. No wonder people are calling you names and getting frustrated. Take your fingers out of your ears.
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Martin60
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And, Ma'am, like EE I'm a prat, for letting him get to me, for letting his prattishness evoke mine.
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Niteowl
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Originally posted by mousethief:
There's only so many times someone can say "it's not what you say it's the way you say it" and have it ignored.
EE, if you would stop being so self-righteous and listen to what others are saying you just might learn something. These people haven't jumped on this thread for no reason at all. There's a common denominator here, and it's your posting style. But you refuse to hear, instead responding with snideness, tu quoque, and abuse. No wonder people are calling you names and getting frustrated. Take your fingers out of your ears.
This. EE, people started out saying this and you returned with snide remarks and the comments got nastier. There were even examples of your insulting posts given. What you don't get is your points are lost in your snide remarks. If you preach "the good news" in this style you'll drive people away. As I said, take a look at yourself instead of looking for fault with everyone else. The proverbial look at the log in your own eye.
[ 25. February 2013, 03:33: Message edited by: Niteowl ]
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mousethief
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I propose that in addition to ITTWACWS we add the acronym YBMTMBIAE - You're Being Mean To Me Because I'm An Evangelical.
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Replace "Being Mean To" with "Persecuting". It shortens the acronym nicely and gets rid of those confusing BM/MB pairings.
YPMBIAE
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Evensong
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He's not an evangelical......he's far too reasonable.
Besides - they're usually allergic to philosophy.
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alienfromzog
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Originally posted by Evensong:
He's not an evangelical......he's far too reasonable.
Besides - they're usually allergic to philosophy.
I'm an evangelical... I'm reasonable and definitely not allergic to philosophy.
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Sioni Sais
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Hostly Notice
EE announced yesterday that he has posted on this thread for the last time.
I'll let this thread trundle along for 48 hours pending a response form EE or something else worthwhile.
Otherwise it goes the way of all CTH threads.
Sioni Sais
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mousethief
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Replace "Being Mean To" with "Persecuting". It shortens the acronym nicely and gets rid of those confusing BM/MB pairings.
YPMBIAE
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Martin60
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Why do I feel like I'm part of a lynch mob?
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Why do I feel like I'm part of a lynch mob?
Because you don't understand what a Hell thread is about?
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Martin60
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Whatever you say mousethief.
And in the meantime, how should we love EE regardless?
[ 25. February 2013, 20:51: Message edited by: Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard ]
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mousethief
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Don't ask me. You clearly don't value my opinion.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Hostly Notice
EE announced yesterday that he has posted on this thread for the last time.
I'll let this thread trundle along for 48 hours pending a response form EE or something else worthwhile.
Otherwise it goes the way of all CTH threads.
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Before I go to bed I thought I'd let you know that, in EE's absence, nothing so far is persuading me to let this thread live.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Evensong:
He's not an evangelical......he's far too reasonable.
It's in his bloody name, Sherlock.
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'e is Etymologically, not Stereotypically.
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Martin60
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mousethief. How do I not when you KNOW I do? Is a Hell thread loving the 'other' to repentance?
And mousethief, that's you projecting. Quite big time actually. Hmmm. And that's me pushing back. Which I despise.
I always thought Hell would be a redeeming place where we all look after each other in our brokenness.
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Is a Hell thread loving the 'other' to repentance?
No - there is no love lost in hell.
I don't feel I was being unkind to EE - I just wondered what he got out of being here. I also wanted to let him know that discussing anything with him is frustrating. It would be good if he popped to heaven now and again for a friendly discussion.
Maybe a PM would have been kinder?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
I always thought Hell would be a redeeming place where we all look after each other in our brokenness.
I'd say we're rather more inspired by the passage about casting a believer out when they won't accept correction.
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Martin60
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Aye. Damn them. Outer darkness is too good for them ... I know there's a time for punishment, for humbling, for penitence, for begging. It's good for the soul.
But our doing this isn't it. Isn't done in mercy, justice, hope, love.
Just like Christianity in the tyrannical, imperial main.
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Niteowl
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Aye. Damn them. Outer darkness is too good for them ... I know there's a time for punishment, for humbling, for penitence, for begging. It's good for the soul.
But our doing this isn't it. Isn't done in mercy, justice, hope, love.
Just like Christianity in the tyrannical, imperial main.
Sometimes "this" is mercy. There have been some who have come to SoF with posting styles similar to ee and after a hell thread (or 2) with people point blank stating it's their posting style, NOT their beliefs, opinions, etc. (though some pile on with insults just because it's hell) they get it and change and over time earn the respect of their shipmates. Others simply prefer to maintain their abusive styles and feelings of superiority.
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Martin60
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True Niteowl. That covers me.
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Evensong
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
He's not an evangelical......he's far too reasonable.
It's in his bloody name, Sherlock.
He is obviously wrong, dear Watson.
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
So what makes you an Evangelical then?
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Actually that was a seriously curious question.
But you weren't to know that I spose.
The sweet, curious and endearing expression on my face obviously didn't come across right.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Evensong:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
He's not an evangelical......he's far too reasonable.
It's in his bloody name, Sherlock.
He is obviously wrong, dear Watson.
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
So what makes you an Evangelical then?
Actually that was a seriously curious question.
But you weren't to know that I spose.
The sweet, curious and endearing expression on my face obviously didn't come across right.
Compare the first and second halves of this post.
I don't think EE is the only one lacking a bit of self-awareness around here...
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The Great Gumby
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Yeah, but Evensong's self-awareness issues are hardly news. Anyway, she's probably just about to explain that she's being facetious, or postmodern or something.
(I love the delicious mindfuck of a self-proclaimed postmodernist dogmatically asserting that someone who calls himself evangelical must be mistaken. It's so... Evensong.)
[ETA: Holy crosspost, Batman!]
[ 26. February 2013, 13:31: Message edited by: The Great Gumby ]
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I's still like to know what SDFH is. Martin?
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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
[ETA: Holy crosspost, Batman!]
Leave me out of this train wreck, Gummy Bear.
BTW, I agree with the substance of your post.
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Gamaliel
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Before this thread is closed and condemned to the lost eternity it deserves, I'd like to vent.
I do have a sense of humour and I did recognise the smilie and was simply responding with a comment to acknowledge the point EE was making before moving onto the subject in hand.
It's typical of his posting style to isolate a single comment and to use it as a lever to prise the discussion into the direction in which he wants it to go or as a baseball bat to beat his opponents, real or imagined, about the head.
EE isolated my friendly comment, 'I thought we'd put the tongues thing to bed, EE' and used it against me. In fact, he took it completely out of context. Just as he does the proof-texts that he habitually wields.
He then gets all upset when people come back at him. But then, so what else is new? This has been his style since he first joined the Ship. To adapt the old hymn, 'He knows no other argument, he knows no other plea, EE is an arsehole and that's how he'll always be.'
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Drifting Star
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
I's still like to know what SDFH is. Martin?
I assumed that was the 'Spiritual Director From Hell™' that Evensong referred to.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Why do I feel like I'm part of a lynch mob?
Niteowl's reasoning is part of the value of Hell. The service to the offending poster. Another value is service to the offended poster. Not only as a vent, but as a check to over-reaction. It can allow us to explore the anger and frustration caused by another. This is important, by understanding the cause can one begin the cure. Ignoring the negative does not typically remove it.
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Martin60
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Aye lilBuddha. And hypocrite that I am I just snorted out loud at Gamaliel.
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Niteowl
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Niteowl's reasoning is part of the value of Hell. The service to the offending poster. Another value is service to the offended poster. Not only as a vent, but as a check to over-reaction. It can allow us to explore the anger and frustration caused by another. This is important, by understanding the cause can one begin the cure. Ignoring the negative does not typically remove it.
Very true. Also, there is the service to the all of the other boards that the safety valve of hell provides in keeping any nastiness from spilling over in them.
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Evensong
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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
I's still like to know what SDFH is. Martin?
Well if you google the term it comes up as some kind of file. So I thought maybe Martin was referring to the picture in my sig.
But it could have been the spiritual director from hell too. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
*He's playing the "I shall be mysterious and take the silent route" card at the moment tho.*
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
And mousethief, that's you projecting.
No. When you say "whatever you say," you are being dismissive. If you're going to use English you are responsible for what you say in it. You might want to go back to gobbledygook.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Evensong:
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
I's still like to know what SDFH is. Martin?
Well if you google the term it comes up as some kind of file. So I thought maybe Martin was referring to the picture in my sig.
But it could have been the spiritual director from hell too.
*He's playing the "I shall be mysterious and take the silent route" card at the moment tho.*
First time I Googled it, I got San Diego Folk Heritage.
Just about every three letter and most four letter combinations are used as file types somewhere, so I read upthread and found it. Never underestimate the power of reading upthread.
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
I always thought Hell would be a redeeming place where we all look after each other in our brokenness.
No, that's Heaven.
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Evensong
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Nice one Qlib.
Tho one could argue tis the Christian vocation on earth too.
As in heaven
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Martin60
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mousethief, I'm sorry for being dismissive about your opinion. So what is a hell thread about?
and QLib ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
[ 27. February 2013, 09:16: Message edited by: Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard ]
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The thing that's really pissed me off about EE recently is that they counter nearly every question I raise with some variation of "But what do you mean when you use the word x" or "By who's standard are you judging x". As I've never studied philosophy this means that for me the debate grinds to a complete stop just when it was getting interesting.
To be fair I'd imagin that when I use words like good, bad, judge etc in my arguments EE would say that I'm the one bringing philosophy to the table and they are just responding in kind.
I must admit though that I've learnt a great deal about how to improve my debate skills. The knowledge that EE is on the board now forces me to do things like think hard and avoid obvious assumptions before posting so I'm grateful for that.
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Gamaliel
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This is now becoming very unhellish. I'd second what George Spigot said. I clash with EE at times but he has made me (I hope) engage my brain before posting at times. I can be very broad-brush and make flip and off-hand remarks that can either hurt or confuse.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
This is now becoming very unhellish.
What's unhellish about it?
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Evensong
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Originally posted by George Spigot: The thing that's really pissed me off about EE recently is that THEY (my emphasis) counter nearly every question I raise with some variation of "But what do you mean when you use the word x" or "By who's standard are you judging x".
I too have suspected it is the Queen posting.
Although I suppose it could be an experimental philosophy 101 class in a theological college?
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'They' is frequently used to mean 'he or she'. Get over it.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by George Spigot:
The thing that's really pissed me off about EE recently is that they counter nearly every question I raise with some variation of "But what do you mean when you use the word x" or "By who's standard are you judging x". As I've never studied philosophy this means that for me the debate grinds to a complete stop just when it was getting interesting.
Fun, isn't it. EE just keeps coming up with the old "if there is a God then I win, if there's not a God then the concepts of right and wrong don't exist and therefore I still win" crap. He's continually framing the argument in a way that means he never has to change his mind or admit even the slightest possibility of error. It's arrogant and dishonest and I'm fucking sick of it.
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alienfromzog
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Originally posted by Evensong:
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
So what makes you an Evangelical then?
Actually that was a seriously curious question.
But you weren't to know that I spose.
The sweet, curious and endearing expression on my face obviously didn't come across right.
Ok. Fair enough. I'm not entirely sure that the sweetest, most curious and astoundingly endearing expression works when you began the conversation with the assertion that Evangelicalism = anti-reason and an aversion to philosophy. I am confident that the terms 'unreasonable' and 'anti-philosophy' do not describe shipmates who self-identify as Evangelical. And given that Evangelicalism is very much grounded in a modernist world view, arguably we are a pretty reasonable group... (Well, some of us, anyway)
Please, do not confuse Evangelical with Fundamentalist And there is a huge difference between what gets labelled as Evangelical on this side of the pond compared with the other.
Most evangelicals are fairly orthodox (small o), with an emphasis on the authority of scripture. Most of us would self identify by something like this basis of faith.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by George Spigot:
The thing that's really pissed me off about EE recently is that they counter nearly every question I raise with some variation of "But what do you mean when you use the word x" or "By who's standard are you judging x". As I've never studied philosophy this means that for me the debate grinds to a complete stop just when it was getting interesting.
Fun, isn't it. EE just keeps coming up with the old "if there is a God then I win, if there's not a God then the concepts of right and wrong don't exist and therefore I still win" crap. He's continually framing the argument in a way that means he never has to change his mind or admit even the slightest possibility of error. It's arrogant and dishonest and I'm fucking sick of it.
His arguments are completely dishonest. The only question is if he is lying to himself as well.
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