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Doublethink.
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Well speaking as a fat person ...

The big problem is a convenience. If I go to a drive through Macdonalds, it is usually because I have finished work late, then driven for an hour to gett back to my home town and I am tired and hungry. If I could drive through a restaurant that offered tasty healthy food I'd buy it. But there isn't one. MaccyD's salads are fairly horrible so I rarely have them. The same is true of ordering take out - its next to impossible to order a decent meal, on the rare occasions I have ordered a salad with some sort of protein included it been big enough to feed four and soaked in dressing.

Cooking from scratch is mildly off putting usually because of the length of time it takes to prepare. It is possible to cook fresh veg and potatoes and meat in a microwave - but I am buggered if I can find decent recipe books for doing this. In particular what you need is a recipe that tells you the sequence to put the food in. So you can get a dish and put a jacket potatoe, then take it after 3 minutes and add a chopp, take it out after another 3 minutes and add frozen peas and take it out again after 3 minutes. But it is very difficult to get the timings right when you have to guess.

My usual lunch tends to be bought sandwich, crisps and a canned drink or flavoured milk. Why ? Firstly because the hospital canteen is appalling and you have to preorder if you want meat and salad (which is difficult to do if you don't predictable lunch break). Secondly, because there isn't an obvious convenient alternative to a sandwich, especially if you want to reduce your carb intake.

Most solutions involve me being organised enough to get up earlier than the last minute and prepare food before I go to work. This is not going to happen.

When I was seriously dieting a year ago, I tried for ages to find convenient alternatives - especially stuff you could just pick up and eat. Best bet seemed to be nuts and cold sliced meat - however, that will be processed salted meat.

Exercisewise, schools obsess about sport and don't actually help you develop any kind of solo daily exercise routine - and find something that suits you. Again time is the biggest issue. I managed to get up at 6:15am three times a week for a bootcamp for about six months but I couldn't sustain it. Driving to things is largely about time.

Then there is genetics, some people are exercise responders (in terms a of body shape) some people are not. On the basis of experience, I know I am an exercise responder - of I have regular training my body shape changes quite radically - but that doesn't happen for everyone.

Also I strongly second Twilight on the confusing advice (especially around fruit.)

ETA The other thing that is infuriating is inaccurate information. So the expectation that you can lose 2lb a month for 6 months is false. In fact your metabolism adjusts, and weight loss slows after the first couple of months. But no bugger warns you about this, so then you think the diet isn't working and are more likely to give up.

Then there is the bollocks about having to drink 2 litres of fluid a day. This is rubbish based on a misinterpretation of an old study. In fact you need the *equivalent* of two litres of fluid from you the combination of what you eat and drink (dependent on temperature etc).

Tea and coffee are not 'dehydrating' they are diuretics - they still count towards how much you drink you just pee slightly more.

[ 20. April 2013, 10:34: Message edited by: Doublethink ]

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For me, a lot of it is being organised and thinking in advance. When we were first married and very poor, we got into the habit of making menus for the whole week, meaning we only bought exactly what we needed and had already worked out what to do with leftovers. The habit has stayed with us, so we make menu lists every week and buy food accordingly.

Also, very often, I will prepare food in the morning before going to work (it's usually me because my time in the morning is more flexible than Macarius') - soup, say, or mince and onions, so in the evening, it just needs a light put under it.

It means we are less likely to get a take away.

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Slow cookers are fabulous - all can be prepared in advance and thrown into the crockpot in the morning. A delicious, healthy meal is ready whatever time you return home.

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[Checking in, 3 lbs up from yesterday -- it was a magical night]

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My niece had to leave her job as paramedic due to having lifted too many fat people and permanently injuring her back. Fat is not a personal issue - it affects everyone who deals with you.
Well I'm sorry. Just like I was sorry for the x-ray tech who had to lift me when my leg was broken in two places, all the ligaments torn and the knee displaced. In the midst of my pain I had to hear her say I was the heaviest thing she ever had to lift. I guess she never had to x-ray any men. My husband out weighs me by an even 100 lbs.

If this is why fat is not a personal issue, then motorcycle riding, contact sports, lawn mowers and Karl's penchant for bicycling in traffic aren't personal issues either.

I went from a two pack a day smoker who was using up all the government's money in sick days and healthcare, to an overweight person who was using up all the government's money in sick days and healthcare in a matter of months. It would serve them all right if I keep this weight off and live to one hundred, sucking up social security every month along the way.

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Some suggestions:

Lunch: I just warmed some potato from the load I did in the pressure cooker, melted buttery stuff & a bit of sea salt, added to some salad with balsamic vinegar & opened a large can of pilchards in rich tomato sauce. (Last 3 items from the 98p shop).

Cost of meal: about £1
Time taken to prepare: under 3 mins, i.e. less than the time taken to visit a take-away place.
Healthy: yes!
Taste: very nice!

Evening meal alternative - cook a load of beef mince*, add value sultanas, onion, tomato & a bit of spice & herb to taste.

* Sainsbury & Tesco do three 575g packs of lean steak mince for £10. One off does 3 good meals & keeps for 5 days in the fridge.


I get 7 or 8 lemons for £1 from the local Pakistani shop - mix sugar in a little warm water, add cold then add the juice of 1 lemon (this preserves the vitamin C) - I've been doing this for 9 months and havn't had a cold.

Lidl GranArom coffee (£1.99 for 200g) is also as good if not better than Nescafe, Douwe Egberts & others if you don't skimp on the quantity of granules.

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No freezer? There are several local places that do re-conditioned fridge/freezers & ovens. The last one I bought for £150 lasted 13 years. People on benefit get 50% price reduction at this one.

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:

Boogie
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My niece had to leave her job as paramedic due to having lifted too many fat people and permanently injuring her back. Fat is not a personal issue - it affects everyone who deals with you.
Well I'm sorry. Just like I was sorry for the x-ray tech who had to lift me when my leg was broken in two places, all the ligaments torn and the knee displaced. In the midst of my pain I had to hear her say I was the heaviest thing she ever had to lift. I guess she never had to x-ray any men. My husband out weighs me by an even 100 lbs.

If this is why fat is not a personal issue, then motorcycle riding, contact sports, lawn mowers and Karl's penchant for bicycling in traffic aren't personal issues either.

Exactly - everything we do affects other people. So, although these things are personal choices, they are not personal issues.
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quote:
Originally posted by M.:
For me, a lot of it is being organised and thinking in advance. When we were first married and very poor, we got into the habit of making menus for the whole week, meaning we only bought exactly what we needed and had already worked out what to do with leftovers. The habit has stayed with us, so we make menu lists every week and buy food accordingly.

I think habit is the key. Problem is bad habits get fixed too and IME it takes effort to change. One thing that's helped me is having shopping delivered. I started this when the weather was really bad and I now have an online order delvered about every two weeks which just needs topping up with fresh milk and one or two other things. I bought more convenience foods when I was physically going to the supermarket and also spent more.

Doublethink, I agree about the faff with preparing vegetables. I doubt if I'd ever eat a sprout if I had to prepare the things but frozen baby sprouts are great. I've got into the habit of steaming them with whatever else I'm having in the way of veg. You can get ready-prepped fresh veg in microwaveable bags too. I don't know why but some vegetables just feel burdensome. I have no issue with fresh carrots or sweet potatoes but I can't cope with a turnip or a cauliflower - I feel tired just looking at them.

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quote:
Originally posted by NJA:
Some suggestions:

Lunch: I just warmed some potato from the load I did in the pressure cooker, melted buttery stuff & a bit of sea salt, added to some salad with balsamic vinegar & opened a large can of pilchards in rich tomato sauce. (Last 3 items from the 98p shop).

Cost of meal: about £1
Time taken to prepare: under 3 mins, i.e. less than the time taken to visit a take-away place.
Healthy: yes!
Taste: very nice!


And how many of those you profess to be concerned for will have sea salt and balsamic vinegar to hand? I'm not sure too many would agree about tinned pilchards being "very nice".

Instead of banging a drum about how poor people can eat well for less, how about banging a different drum about ease of access to better food, reducing the cost of better food and getting people out of poverty?

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Well, I am about to go to Sainsbury's - so need a plan for this week.

I am going to buy a load of frozen stuff that cooks quickly. Veg, mince you can cook from frozen, and fish fingers.

Stuff to make lunches with, baked beans, tuna in water not oil, nuts of some form, hummous.

Breakfast, ie., packs of cottage cheese, some sort of meat based thing.

Fruit - not oranges as the last lot I got where far too bitter.

Oh and microwavable quinoa - though it costs a bomb. Good carb substitute.

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Two friends were recently discussing the sight of obese Americans visiting a certain part of France. Only slightly exagggerating, one remarked that he could barely get past on the pavement one was so wide.

The other friend replied 'You have to hand it to the Americans. At least they are still mobile . The British would probably sit in front of the TV, and pester the poor NHS'.

A self admitted obese friend went recently to the doctor. The South African GP barely looked up and said 'I suppose you want me to give you drugs. You are fat and lazy. Reduce your food intake and go for a walk'. The friend has seen this as a shocking and well timed wake-up call.

Charles II said to his nephew-in-law the tubby Prince of Denmark 'Walk with me; hunt with my brother; do your duty by my niece, then you won't get fat, Sir'.

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Apart from a lack of exercise, probably the next biggest things that contributes to being overweight is constant snacking. As far as meals are concerned, it's much cheaper to make home made food than buying takeaways, especially if you make enough for two or three days. Things like soups and stews are great. Three meals a day are ideal, with the size of the meal being progressively smaller as the day goes on that you have the breakfast of a king and the supper of a pauper. It's all rather simple. I don't know why it's been forgotten.

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It's a wonder any thin people ever died.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
Apart from a lack of exercise, probably the next biggest things that contributes to being overweight is constant snacking... Three meals a day are ideal, with the size of the meal being progressively smaller as the day goes on that you have the breakfast of a king and the supper of a pauper. It's all rather simple. I don't know why it's been forgotten.

I could blame the fridge and freezer. There is just too much food in the house and it's too easy to put something in the micro/oven rather than grabbing a piece of fruit.

I could blame the fridge & freezer, but it's probably me.

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quote:
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It's a wonder any thin people ever died.

Do I detect sarcasm there? [Smile] Of course thin people die, At some point we're all brown bread and I don't think anyone would suggest that being thin equals healthy per se. I also think we should be able to enjoys things, including food, but we also know that over eating, over drinking etc. is bad for us. It's a cliché but I think there is much truth in all things in moderation.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
Apart from a lack of exercise, probably the next biggest things that contributes to being overweight is constant snacking... Three meals a day are ideal, with the size of the meal being progressively smaller as the day goes on that you have the breakfast of a king and the supper of a pauper. It's all rather simple. I don't know why it's been forgotten.

I could blame the fridge and freezer. There is just too much food in the house and it's too easy to put something in the micro/oven rather than grabbing a piece of fruit.

I could blame the fridge & freezer, but it's probably me.

No, that's true as well. I suppose I should be grateful that I'm bad with money and so only buy enough food for the day. My fridge is hardly ever full, but on the rare occasions it is (usually when my mum comes to stay) I'm constantly going to the fridge.
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Maybe I'm blessed with a decent metabolism, but as a rough guide, I find this keeps my weight under control...

First: either have a plate with a broad rim and only ever have food within that or buy a smaller plate.

Second: take time over food - its not a race.

Third: eat at set times of day.

Breakfast In winter, porridge - low GI, slow release energy. Can be prepared in a microwave in less than 3 minutes. Alternative 1 egg scrambled on a slice of toast.
In summer, fresh fruit followed by a slice of toast or small bowl natural yoghurt.

Lunch - take into work with you. In winter: home-made soup to be heated in microwave OR a pre-done jacket potato with filling (sheese/chopped spinach) that just needs re-heating. In summer: tub of salad.
Always a piece of fruit and have a glass of water.

Dinner - a one-pot meal can take as little as 15 minutes to cook (single serving)

  • chop/finelyslice 1 stick celery, 1 medium size carrot, half a pepper, 3/4 mushrooms:
  • taken in that order, cook over high-ish heat in smidgeon of oil till just cooked
  • add handful of frozen peas/baby broad beans plus seasoning (garlic, ground corriander, Chinese 5 spice) stirring until veg defrosted (c 1 minute)
  • add tablespoon soy sauce and 2 handsful of beansprouts - keep stirring for further 2 minutes
  • at this point you can add handful of leftover shredded chicken or whatever
  • cook 1 further minute
  • READY!

If you are very hungry you can either add a handful of straight to pan fine noodles with the beansprouts or serve with rice (plain or egg-fried).

And the fruitbowl should be the place of first resort if you get peckish.

No, I'm not whippet thin (love affair with dark chocolate still ongoing) and nor do I stick to the above all the time (second love of a hot bacon and egg sandwich) BUT if you manage it for roughly half the time you'll keep weight under reasonable control and, if you don't enjoy cooking, won't be tied to the stove.

But I'm Welsh so I still eat chips - with mayonnaise, of course!
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Oh God. Why do these threads always degenerate into recipes, claims of non-available cross-pond grocery bargains ("I can get a hundred pounds of lentils for a dollar!"), and insufficiently-veiled personal superiority?

People eat crap foods because it's efficient, convenient, and tastes pretty good. People eat crap foods because they like sugar, salt, and fat. People eat crap foods because cooking varied, healthy meals for self/family takes ever-scarcer time, planning, knowledge and effort... for people who would on the whole rather be eating crap foods anyway.

An intervention of the following magnitude might help: a free personal chef, preparing varied, healthy, tasty meals at a set time each day. Perhaps on a stepdown program, where on their non-cooking days they leave a bag of fresh groceries and an easy recipe. That might eventually become habit-forming.

Short of that, I don't hold out much hope for change.

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I'm far from perfect, but can I suggest one very useful option for cooking fairly healthily: stir fries.

As a lousy cook, they're my constant choice for dinner. No recipe required. Take meat of choice (unless vegetarian), vegetables of choice, a bit of sauce of choice (such as soy, sweet chilli, oyster or hoi sin), herbs/spices of choice.

I mix and match things constantly. I have over time come up with some preferred combinations, but the point is there's no strict 'recipe' to follow.

All I need is a wok and, if I have rice, a microwave rice cooker (if I have noodles than they can go into the wok).

It's quite healthy, it's simple and importantly it's QUICK. The only preparation required is chopping vegetables, and cutting up the meat if it isn't already in strips (which it usually is).

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This time of year, if you look carefully around the edges of the seasonal specials section, you can find Reese Peanut Butter Eggs, left over from Easter, on sale for half price.
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I am sorry I have not been able to read all the posts, but I want to interject my experience as a shrinking person. I say shrinking because I am in the process of losing weight. At my highest, I weighed 338 lbs (24st 2lb or 153kg). I have now lost 25 lbs with my goal of reaching 250 lbs (18st or 113 kg).

I have to say getting to the weight I was at took 63 years of trying, so it will be challenge to get down to a more healthier weight.

At 338 lbs a number of things were happening. I had high blood pressure that was not being controlled well with medicine, I was borderline diabetic and I was finding every so often my legs would collapse from under me.

I was eating a lot of sugar and starches. I would have a glass of milk in the morning. Often times I would get three maple bars or at least a McSausage. At noon I would eat a 1/3 lb mushroom cheeseburger with medium fries and a Coke. Around two I would get a latte and three chocolate chip,
Dinner would be largely fried food, mashed potatoes (I love mashed potatoes) with a beer. Then before retiring I would have ice cream or popcorn or gorge on chips.

It actually takes a lot of work and it is very expensive to keep at that weight. It was not fun.

I could go through a gallon of milk in two days.

I finally went to a bariatric clinic and started on a low sugar/low carb diet.

First thing that went out was drink containing sugar. Soda, okay. Latte a little harder, beer was tough (not really). Also, no milk or milk products.

Then we cut out all starches. Initially the doctor just wanted me to have one no starch meal, but wife said if I was going to do it, I was going to do it all the way.

I am essentially eating all vegetables and three portions of meat daily now.

Since I have dropped the weight, I have noticed a number of benefits. Blood pressure is going down. Blood sugars are normal. My knees do not want to collapse on me. I can even climb a flight of stairs without getting winded.

Some things I have learned: Obesity is not a choice. I would say it is like a disease. Craving for sugar or something that converts to sugar is a neurological disorder. If your diet is high in sugars, your brain will automatically wire itself to expect those sugars even more. While I can't think of anyone dying from Obesity, it is the cause of a number of other diseases.

It is a public health issue. Costs of treating diseases caused by obesity are increasing. Some people are saying that my generation will not live as long as the previous generation, and if we do not gain control of it, the next generation will be even less. I live in a university town. I am saddened by how many very large young adults I see waddling to through campus.

It also affects other people in other ways. I would feel guilty knowing I had more than enough to eat while there are other people who are going without. And it is not just a third world phenomenon. 30% of Americans are going hungry every night.

Other benefits I have noticed since I have gotten on this diet: I am trying more foods that I probably never would have eaten. I find vegetables taste much better. We are avoiding processed foods (sugar) and are buying more organic foods as well.

Our food expense is at least a third less. A quart of milk will now last four days. Processed foods are not as cheap as they seem. Fruit is a lot cheaper than ice cream.

One last thing: my doctor is telling me to avoid artificial sweeteners as much possible. She says the brain cannot tell the difference between any type of sweetener so they trigger even more cravings. Consequently, Diet Coke becomes as self defeating as regular Coke.

Doctor does not want me to weigh myself but once a month when we do an in body scan (this measures body weight, muscle fat and other fats). But I do step on a professional scale once a week. Sunday is the day I do it. Looking forward to seeing tomorrow's reading.

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Gramps49 [Overused] [Overused]

I find the same with artificial sweetening - it increases my sugar addiction.

I'm trying the 5:2 diet at the moment - but find it hard not to binge on the '5'days. The '2' days are surprisingly easy.

Wouldn't it be great if we could just give up food - like giving up smoking! (Just kidding)

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Gramps49 [Overused] [Overused]

I find the same with artificial sweetening - it increases my sugar addiction.

I'm trying the 5:2 diet at the moment - but find it hard not to binge on the '5'days. The '2' days are surprisingly easy.

Wouldn't it be great if we could just give up food - like giving up smoking! (Just kidding)

[Smile]

I'm also doing the 5:2. I like the simplicity of it, you just eat much less for 2 days. I try to stick to a reasonable amount of calories the other days but know that there's no need to feel guilty if i don't. I think the 2 fasting days remind me how I really don't need to stuff my face all day. It has made me far more aware of what I eat and what I actually need.

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As my father (medic) used to say 'simply eat less and walk more'. It's not rocket salad.

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Good luck, Gramps49!

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"The body is the garden of the soul." - Angels in America by Tony Kushner.

If you love yourself and love your body, there's no need for diets or silly rules or forcing or denying yourself. You pay attention to your body and want to do what is good for it. And because it's love, it's important enough to you that you'll find a way to do it regardless of the obstacles. And if you have responsibilities to care for others, that's all the more reason to take care of yourself first: after all, if you don't, in effect, you're killing yourself (slowly) to get out of looking after them.

Christianity makes a big deal of being an incarnational religion, and the resurrection of the body and all that, but then goes on and on about sins of the flesh, thorns in sides, cutting off misbehaving parts, etc. In that mindset, the body is an enemy, constantly undermining the soul's salvation. It makes it easier to believe that the body must be treated with discipline and denial. Instead of nourishment, there's dieting. Instead of the pleasure of the body's movements and activities, there's the unpleasant chore of exercising. No wonder few people manage to sustain diet or exercise programs for the long haul - they're like a constant sub-conscious affirmation of self-loathing.

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Erm - I don't particularly have a penchant for cycling in traffic, but to put it in context, from what I understand I'm statistically more likely to die early or suffer significant disablement from ill-health through inactivity than I am to be KSI'd on the bike, thank you very much.

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Earwig

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
This time of year, if you look carefully around the edges of the seasonal specials section, you can find Reese Peanut Butter Eggs, left over from Easter, on sale for half price.

Twilight, I fucking love this post. [Overused]
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Earwig

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
I don't say any of this from a judgmental standpoint - I have always struggled with my weight and sugar addiction. But I think that makes me even more frustrated with those who don't make any effort to fight it.

People just have different priorites. I think eating products that have lead to animals' suffering and death is wrong, but I struggle with that too. I love cheese and like leather shoes. I get frustrated when I see people who like animals eating meat.

But it's simply not my place to go on about it. Unless asked, I wouldn't tell them how Quorn is healthier and cheaper and much better for the planet. It's only going to get people's backs up, and it's not my place to judge them, anyway.

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I applaud those who watch what they eat for ethical or health reasons.

Me? I'm afraid it comes down to a loathing of shopping for clothes and meanness at paying for stuff that makes me look less than good.

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quote:
Originally posted by sebby:
As my father (medic) used to say 'simply eat less and walk more'. It's not rocket salad.

Apparently some people have found that walking more using a treadmill desk has made it easy for them to lose a lot of weight, to the point where once they've reached their goal weight, they have to start eating more just to maintain it. Apparently since their walking speed is very slow (about 1 mile or 2 km per hour), they do not experience problems with noise or balance and find that they are generally much less tired and more alert. Furthermore, there are reportedly a lot of surprising health benefits.

I'd love to be able to try it out for myself - it sounds like the magical solution everyone wants, yet believable!

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I have two small children, and am permanently knackered. I cook most meals from ingredients, but sometimes it's just easier on my brain and energy levels to shove pizza and chips in the oven. The hardest part of that cooking is figuring out when to put the pizza in (it takes less time to cook than the chips do).

If I was less masochistic/driven/educated into how to cook then I'd probably do this a lot more.

I suspect this is part of the reason people eat lots of processed/convenience foods - it's much easier. And when you're knackered (mentally or physically) the easy option wins hands down.

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This is where income also comes in. The other night I was in the same position - absolutely cream-crackered and Could Not Be Bothered™ to go grocery shopping, cook a meal and then clean it up afterwards. If I'd have had to all that, I would just have gone to bed without eating anything, which isn't good for me. My solution was to go out to a brasserie for dinner where I ordered a fairly simple healthy meal and made someone else cook it and do the washing up. But you can't do things like that if you're on a very low income.

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quote:
Originally posted by NJA:
I was watching the above (8pm, Channel 5 Tuesdays) and it mentioned that 57% of Welsh adults are overweight or obese. Can anyone explain why this province has this problem? .

We're not a province, whatever the English oppressor says... We are a proud nation.


Overweight, I grant you, but proud!

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